January 26

[Forward Press]

And there is someone who is not willing to listen and learn. Aboriginal people have never owned the land, Aboriginals have always belonged to the land. Ownership of land only happened since the British invaded. The saying Always Was, Always will be means there has been an Aboriginal footprint from the beginning and despite best attempts to get rid of us, there will Always be an Aboriginal footprint. Aboriginal people are going nowhere.

I think this is exactly the point that many people miss when they see that statement.

The Aboriginal people aren't wanting to throw everyone out of Australia (well maybe some extremists do, perhaps), nor do they claim they 'own' the land as we understand it. Just want the acknowledgement of continuous Aboriginal habitation for 60k years, and that it was not broken by British arrival.

 

[Cmarsh]

I think it should be what you say but often I get the impression its not.

Well it has been dismissed by left wing academics as a celebration of white men. To everyone else its seen as a commeration.

 

[Roylion]

Anyway we're waaaaay off topic here.

Yes we are. As is usual with these things, a discussion of January 26th often moves (in the following rough order) to Anzac Day --> Gallipoli --> British Empire imperialism / colonialism --> royalty --> Australian republic/flag/anthem. Sometimes it happens in reverse order.

 

[Gough]

Yes we are. As is usual with these things, a discussion of January 26th moves (in the following rough order) to Anzac Day --> Gallipoli --> British Empire imperialism / colonialism --> royalty --> Australian republic.

Which tends to suggest our complicated relationship with these things.

 

[Roylion]

It was a throwaway line. I didn't expect Roy (of all people) to respond.

I teach the causes of World War I every year.

 

[burge13]

And there is someone who is not willing to listen and learn. Aboriginal people have never owned the land, Aboriginals have always belonged to the land. Ownership of land only happened since the British invaded. The saying Always Was, Always will be means there has been an Aboriginal footprint from the beginning and despite best attempts to get rid of us, there will Always be an Aboriginal footprint. Aboriginal people are going nowhere.

No one is trying to get rid of you. How much acknowledgement and cause weeks/programs etc before that sinks in?

 

[ferball]

Yes we are. As is usual with these things, a discussion of January 26th often moves (in the following rough order) to Anzac Day --> Gallipoli --> British Empire imperialism / colonialism --> royalty --> Australian republic/flag/anthem. Sometimes it happens in reverse order.

We need a national discussion about all this stuff and it does need to happen with a bit more respect than often gets shown on social media.

 

[burge13]

If you want it to be your land too how about looking after it properly and caring for it like its a member of your family instead of something to screw money out of?

This is just bizarre.

 

[Dan]

If you want it to be your land too how about looking after it properly and caring for it like its a member of your family instead of something to screw money out of?

What....

 

[Forward Press]

I teach the causes of World War I every year.

I like how you can just use the MAIN acronym even if some of the kids have NFI what three of them mean.

 

[Forward Press]

No one is trying to get rid of you. How much acknowledgement and cause weeks/programs etc before that sinks in?

Uhhh, the Stolen Generation?

Even for you that was a really bad take.

 

[burge13]

Uhhh, the Stolen Generation?

Even for you that was a really bad take.

As mentioned 10000x we cant go back in time to change that. I wasnt alive when it happened, no one today would condone it.

So again, no one is trying to get rid of anyone.

 

[Forward Press]

As mentioned 10000x we cant go back in time to change that. I wasnt alive when it happened, no one today would condone it.

So again, no one is trying to get rid of anyone.

Yes, but SotY posted:

The saying Always Was, Always will be means there has been an Aboriginal footprint from the beginning and despite best attempts to get rid of us, there will Always be an Aboriginal footprint

Fairly clear context there that he was referring to historical attempts

 

[Gavin Excell]

I teach the causes of World War I every year.

Do your students show any interest or is it just dull and boring to them?

 

[Dan]

And there is someone who is not willing to listen and learn. Aboriginal people have never owned the land, Aboriginals have always belonged to the land. Ownership of land only happened since the British invaded. The saying Always Was, Always will be means there has been an Aboriginal footprint from the beginning and despite best attempts to get rid of us, there will Always be an Aboriginal footprint. Aboriginal people are going nowhere.

Beginning of what?

 

[South of the Yarra]

No one is trying to get rid of you. How much acknowledgement and cause weeks/programs etc before that sinks in?

How long before it sinks in that I was speaking from an historical perspective. Also you may have missed the Stolen Generation, I didn't. And how long before it sinks in that there is not close to equality yet and that the gap in education, health, health literacy and life expectancy is frightening.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Beginning of what?

The Dreaming.

 

[Roylion]

Do your students show any interest or is it just dull and boring to them?

Depends how it is taught. Relating the causes of World War I such as imperialism and nationalism to the causes of modern conflicts such as Russia / Ukraine tends to generate more interest.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Depends how it is taught. Relating the causes of World War I such as imperialism and nationalism to the causes of modern conflicts such as Russia / Ukraine tends to generate more interest.

Roylion Sent you a PM

 

[Dan]

The Dreaming.

So there's no beginning before indigenous people first stepped on the land? Before the 50/60* thousand year period.

The rule of retrospective shotgun fascinates me.

*some say 40....which ever floats the boat I guess.

 

[Dan]

Depends how it is taught. Relating the causes of World War I such as imperialism and nationalism to the causes of modern conflicts such as Russia / Ukraine tends to generate more interest.

Does a student get detention for expressing the view that Fitzroy folded?

 

[South of the Yarra]

So there's no beginning before indigenous people first stepped on the land? Before the 50/60* thousand year period.

The rule of retrospective shotgun fascinates me.

*some say 40....which ever floats the boat I guess.

Now you are just making stuff up. Where do I say there is no beginning before Aboriginal people? We are referring to what 'Always was Always Will Be' means. Maybe learn about the Dreamings and come back to me. You are getting desperate now.

 

[Roylion]

Does a student get detention for expressing the view that Fitzroy folded?

I see you're still obsessed with me.

 

[Dan]

You're still obsessed with me I see.

I wouldn't say obsessed but you didn't do yourself any favours for years when posters rubbed the bigfooty lamp by posting two particular words and P00F out comes the roylion genie.

 

[Roylion]

I wouldn't say obsessed

You're obsessed.

but you didn't do yourself any favours for years when posters rubbed the bigfooty lamp by posting a particular word that starts 'f' & ends 'd' and P00F out comes the roylion genie.

You love it. You keep bringing it up. You've just done it again in a thread that has nothing to do with the topic. Gives me a good laugh everytime I see you mention me. Not that I really care what you think. I'll just continue to post when and where I see fit on a number of topics. But keep obsessing away.