Traded Jared Polec [traded to North Melbourne with Pittard and #48 for #11 and 2019 fourth round pick]

[Rich01]

Gaff is a free agent.

I can’t see anyone trading for him?

I can’t see West Coast accepting compo of a mid-late teens pick for him.

 

[Crow till I die]

Gaff is a free agent.

I can’t see anyone trading for him?

I think the deal will look like this. Polec and pick 22/23 go to North. Pick 9/10 - whatever north's 1st this year is goes to Port. North will want the pick 22/23 from port to ensure they have the points for matching any bids on Thomas - essentially they get Polec and Thomas as their main targets this year. Port get the top 10 pick and give up polec and a second

 

[Roosurgence]

I think the deal will look like this. Polec and pick 22/23 go to North. Pick 9/10 - whatever north's 1st this year is goes to Port. North will want the pick 22/23 from port to ensure they have the points for matching any bids on Thomas - essentially they get Polec and Thomas as their main targets this year. Port get the top 10 pick and give up polec and a second

Seems plausible.

But it definitely won’t be the two first rounders that one particular poster seems to think is what Port will request.

 

[Roosurgence]

I can’t see West Coast accepting compo of a mid-late teens pick for him.

If they match the bid I think he stays.

I can’t see them matching the bid to be honest. I don’t think they have the cap space to match the offers being thrown around. It’s a big gamble to match to force a trade and potentially **** your list over if you can’t get a trade done.

 

[Wild Bill]

A players worth is not determined by the initial offer it is determined by what other clubs offer. Your club has offered big $$ for one of our best players. So much so that in order to keep him we would have to do some big list management changes which would nearly be impossible with most of our players signed already, unless players agreed to leave so we could free salary cap space then we don’t have any way of making free space. Whether you agree or not, one of our best players, north offering big $$ and long contract. X2 first rounder is well in the picture.

He is not Adam Trelour. You won’t get two first round picks.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

He is not Adam Trelour. You won’t get two first round picks.

What he will get and what port will ask for is to different things

 

[Roosurgence]

What he will get and what port will ask for is to different things

Ask as much as you like, but any ambit claim of first two rounders will be greeted with laughter.

 

[Wild Bill]

I think the deal will look like this. Polec and pick 22/23 go to North. Pick 9/10 - whatever north's 1st this year is goes to Port. North will want the pick 22/23 from port to ensure they have the points for matching any bids on Thomas - essentially they get Polec and Thomas as their main targets this year. Port get the top 10 pick and give up polec and a second

Looks about right.

 

[newblueo]

He is not Adam Trelour. You won’t get two first round picks.

Is that adam treloars evil cousin?

 

[Rich01]

If they match the bid I think he stays.

Perhaps he does stay.
But I see a Dangerfield style trade occuring. North can’t afford to leave a big name player high and dry if they had to trade for him. Would be a shocking look and impact their ability in the future to attract big names. I’m confident they will do the right thing.

 

[KPWorld]

North will send their first to west coast in a gaff trade after the eagles offer to match with the money freed up from losing lycett. They aint taking compo for gaff at pick 16 or 17.

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[perplexed]

Perhaps he does stay.
But I see a Dangerfield style trade occuring. North can’t afford to leave a big name player high and dry if they had to trade for him. Would be a shocking look and impact their ability in the future to attract big names. I’m confident they will do the right thing.

Dangerfield didn't leave for money.
Gaff, like everyone else, knows this is a business deal and the offer is only so big because he is a free agent.

 

[West World]

I think the deal will look like this. Polec and pick 22/23 go to North. Pick 9/10 - whatever north's 1st this year is goes to Port. North will want the pick 22/23 from port to ensure they have the points for matching any bids on Thomas - essentially they get Polec and Thomas as their main targets this year. Port get the top 10 pick and give up polec and a second

North make off like bandits in this case

 

[Rich01]

Dangerfield didn't leave for money.
Gaff, like everyone else, knows this is a business deal and the offer is only so big because he is a free agent.

West Coast won’t accept a late teens pick for him. There will be a trade involved and North would look stupid if West Coast put this to them and they refused.

 

[Jugada]

As if a club is going to care about "looking stupid" for not making a trade. Im pretty much resigned to the fact Gaff walks and we cop the compo. Gaff already has one foot out the door and clubs know we're not going to actually force a guy to stay on $1.2 million

Sucks but no point bluffing when everyone knows its a bluff. Maybe another trade will be facilitated in the Eagles favour to sweeten it a bit but thats about it

 

[Jesslc]

Obviously not considering Polec will reportedly be on more money then him

Lol You think contracts always reflect talent and influence? You know Mayne played a year in the VFL for 500k, yeah?

Scully at 20 was getting payed more than Gary Ablett Jnr in his prime.....

 

[Pykie]

North will send their first to west coast in a gaff trade after the eagles offer to match with the money freed up from losing lycett. They aint taking compo for gaff at pick 16 or 17.

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People keep sprouting this.

Who are they cutting if they do match it? You do realise North then have no obligation to trade for him, we can just walk away as well.


I'm not sure a club like West Coast at the pointy end has a spare $300k in the TPP to just match it.

 

[Pykie]

West Coast won’t accept a late teens pick for him. There will be a trade involved and North would look stupid if West Coast put this to them and they refused.

Err why would we look stupid?

If the whole viability of the deals revolves around not actually giving up anything and the deal becomes nonviable if we are paying $1.2m AND trade currency, why do we "look stupid" if we walk away from said deal?

In any kind of deal, wether real estate or business there is a point in which you just have to walk away.

Your mentality is the exact reason why so many people get ripped off in the housing market, it's got nothing to do with emotion and looking stupid, it's purely cost vs return.

 

[Crow till I die]

People keep sprouting this.

Who are they cutting if they do match it? You do realise North then have no obligation to trade for him, we can just walk away as well.


I'm not sure a club like West Coast at the pointy end has a spare $300k in the TPP to just match it.

They might if Lycett leaves

 

[Rich01]

Err why would we look stupid?

If the whole viability of the deals revolves around not actually giving up anything and the deal becomes nonviable if we are paying $1.2m AND trade currency, why do we "look stupid" if we walk away from said deal?

In any kind of deal, wether real estate or business there is a point in which you just have to walk away.

If clubs can’t find a way for players to get to their club of choice, many players will be reticent to look to move there in the future. That happens if you burn players you are trying to woo.

For some here, that seems a difficult concept to understand.

 

[Roosurgence]

As if a club is going to care about "looking stupid" for not making a trade. Im pretty much resigned to the fact Gaff walks and we cop the compo. Gaff already has one foot out the door and clubs know we're not going to actually force a guy to stay on $1.2 million

Sucks but no point bluffing when everyone knows its a bluff. Maybe another trade will be facilitated in the Eagles favour to sweeten it a bit but thats about it

It’s the whole Franklin scenario all over again.

This is why free agency is so flawed. You get compensation based on ladder position and not on player value.

The team taking the free agent should be made to forfeit picks to the AFL’s agreed value.

So if Gaff is valued at a pick 10 we should have to forfeit our first pick after 10 and other picks to make up the value. West Coast still get Pick 10 in the draft.

At the moment teams are offering these big contracts because they know it costs them nothing in the trade.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

At the moment teams are offering these big contracts because they know it costs them nothing in the trade.

That's kind of what free agency is though. The murkiness is in because the AFL decided to add compensation to it.

 

[Roosurgence]

That's kind of what free agency is though. The murkiness is in because the AFL decided to add compensation to it.

It’s just my opinion.

Free Agency is the slippery slope into turning the AFL into the Premier League where player movement is only restricted to the top echelon of clubs.

Since when have we seen a big name Free Agent go to a weak club?

Gaff to North would probably be the one that would buck the trend, but that’s why we have made the big $ offer.

If Richmond made the same $ offer, who do you think he chooses?

 

[Lore]

It’s the whole Franklin scenario all over again.

This is why free agency is so flawed. You get compensation based on ladder position and not on player value.

The team taking the free agent should be made to forfeit picks to the AFL’s agreed value.

So if Gaff is valued at a pick 10 we should have to forfeit our first pick after 10 and other picks to make up the value. West Coast still get Pick 10 in the draft.

At the moment teams are offering these big contracts because they know it costs them nothing in the trade.

It is flawed, but the compensation is based on the team's need for compensation. i.e. clubs that are lower on the ladder have more need for it than those who finish higher. If the club losing the player doesn't like the compensation they're going to get, then they match the offer and negotiate a trade (such as with Dangerfield).

 

[Thewlis Dish]

It’s just my opinion.

Free Agency is the slippery slope into turning the AFL into the Premier League where player movement is only restricted to the top echelon of clubs.

Since when have we seen a big name Free Agent go to a weak club?

Gaff to North would probably be the one that would buck the trend, but that’s why we have made the big $ offer.

If Richmond made the same $ offer, who do you think he chooses?

Wasn't free agency a long time player association request?

I expect if it was entirely up to them, the AFL wouldn't have ever introduced free agency for the exact reasons you have stated, and their compensation "system" is an attempt to equalise it somewhat. But free agency is really the opposite of everything else the AFL does to try and keep the league competitive.