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[Carl Spackler]

Supporting the club shouldn't be partisan which is why it blows my mind that people can defend the negative things that Jeff has done.
I despise Jeff for a heap of reasons, but I like to think that I can still have a rational approach to why I dislike him for his impact on our club.
V unfortunate, but you're right- but then again they could be people who grew up During Kennett's reign where education and other public services were stripped bare so I can't blame them.

Point out my defense of anything Kennett has "done". Waiting...

 

[Pessimistic]

The board asked him to come back as no one else wanted to take the role. Best to put your political bias to one side champ

awkward when political bias turns out to be on the money. So you are saying no one drove out to Waverley and said ‘I’d like the role’ or not one person in the whole world could have been found to take over?
The most successful AFL club?

is there sewerage problems at Waverley or something?

 

[Pessimistic]

Old mate is too far gone.

There are some lib/labour supporters who are able to put their party support aside and look at this issue objectively in relation to the footy club.

Then there are the other rabid lib supporters who watch sky every night and simply can't concede anything critical regarding Jeff because they see it as a win for Dictator Dan, who gets them frothing whenever he is mentioned.

Then of course there are the are the rabid Jeff haters who simply hate him because of his political position too. They slip through the cracks because their end opinion is similar to the majority, even if the method to reach that opinion was politically driven.

This board is for the most part doing a great job discussing this objectively and as someone a long way from the one sanctum, I'm really enjoying this thread and the insight in it. Unfortunately you are still going to get belligerent fools who fall in group 2 or 3



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‘one very pertinent point is premier Jeff tried to renew the liberal party in his last days there, and the sorry mess is now there for all to see

maybe he has an obsession with ‘renewal’ his change to out articles would support that. He just doesn’t seem very good at prosecuting it.

I’m heartened that Clarko and mitchell etc seem to be managing this.

‘but at the end of the day, losing Clarko but keeping Jeff as the dominant voice at the club? How is that not a loss in anyone’s mind?

‘I’m getting the vibe that people are using clarkos words to support that this handover is legit. In other words no one believed Kennett until they heard it from Clarko

 

[Pessimistic]

You're welcome. You now have your speech outlined for the next AGM with open board positions. I encourage you to get two friends to support your nomination and you have the platform you desire. Give it a crack and see how you go.

‘that’s the other problem, the pool of talent dwindles massively when you consider those who’d be willing to challenge against Jeff’s profile.

you are left with a Jeff choice, now observe the current liberal party again

 

[Pessimistic]

Absolutely.

Good thing we have a 75 year old president who has already broken his 2005 AGM commitment to only run for 2 terms and has suggsted on no less then 3 seperate occasions that we would be better off relocating the football club to thriving metropolis that is Launceston

2014: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-10/hawthorn-relocation-talk-hosed-down/5380944
2016: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/hawthorn/jeff-kennett-reveals-he-wanted-to-permanently-move-hawthorn-to-tasmania/news-story/93b9683308d737f080b844ad418d3abbstory/93b9683308d737f080b844ad418d3abb&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&nk=2ece87628503d8dd52dff648ad205519-1625792944
2021: https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/02/14/could-hawthorn-actually-relocate-to-tasmania/

Remember when we said no to the AFL sweat heart deal to leave Tasmania and were left with MCG home games against 5 non Victorian clubs clubs in 2012

Yeah me either...

Hawks say no to AFL cash

Hawthorn have agreed to a new five-year deal to play matches in Tasmania, with the club turning down a lucrative AFL offer to abandon the state.

www.smh.com.au

So if it's not about the money why the fu** are we there?

Or what about the Hawthorn president who actively canvassed the Melbourne Football Club presidency a year after finishing as HFC presidency.

I can fix AFL's Demons, says Jeff Kennett

Former Victorian Premier Jeff Kennett says he can be the man to lift struggling AFL club Melbourne out of the mire if the supporters back him.

www.smh.com.au

Thought so...

Maybe those opposed can come up with a similar counter list of achievements which have come up directly from Kennett ‘style’

I’m guessing crickets

 

[Jane Doe]

awkward when political bias turns out to be on the money. So you are saying no one drove out to Waverley and said ‘I’d like the role’ or not one person in the whole world could have been found to take over?
The most successful AFL club?

is there sewerage problems at Waverley or something?

If you recall at the time no one wanted the role. You do realise that it’s a voluntary role? I am sure people were asked but no takers.

maybe you could put your hand up? You seem to know it all

 

[Pessimistic]

If you recall at the time no one wanted the role. You do realise that it’s a voluntary role? I am sure people were asked but no takers.

maybe you could put your hand up? You seem to know it all

‘you are ‘sure’ how so. When this was announced, no one believed Kennett till Clarko spoke up. It’s what we were told (and that it would be temporary)

turns out ‘temporary’ Means ‘until I see Clarkson off’ some resume president Jeff has racked up

 

[Jane Doe]

‘you are ‘sure’ how so. When this was announced, no one believed Kennett till Clarko spoke up. It’s what we were told (and that it would be temporary)

turns out ‘temporary’ Means ‘until I see Clarkson off’ some resume president Jeff has racked up

You need to put your hatred of Kennett to one side and do some research from that time. Let me know when you are up to speed

 

[Hawkk]

You need to put your hatred of Kennett to one side and do some research from that time. Let me know when you are up to speed

Who said that no one wanted the position?

Kennett effectively approached his re-election to the HFC presidency in the same way he tried to take over the Liberal Party last year.

And as Teddy Baillieu said on the You Cannot Be Serious podcast, it’s been a very long time since Jeff backed a winner.

Certainly his 3rd (and so far 4th) term as HFC presidency has been an abject failure

 

[Jane Doe]

‘you are ‘sure’ how so. When this was announced, no one believed Kennett till Clarko spoke up. It’s what we were told (and that it would be temporary)

turns out ‘temporary’ Means ‘until I see Clarkson off’ some resume president Jeff has racked up

You need to put your hatred of Kennett to one side and do some research from that time. Let me know when you are up to speed

Who said that no one wanted the position?

Kennett effectively approached his re-election to the HFC presidency in the same way he tried to take over the Liberal Party last year.

And as Teddy Baillieu said on the You Cannot Be Serious podcast, it’s been a very long time since Jeff backed a winner.

Certainly his 3rd (and so far 4th) term as HFC presidency has been an abject failure

He was approached by the board. Not sure Ted is in a position to criticise given the government he lead was an abject failure

 

[Hawk Dork]

Not sure Ted is in a position to criticise given the government he lead was an abject failure

Ted is an example of Kennets succession planning failures and proves Teds statement is true

 

[Hawkk]

Ted is an example of Kennets succession planning failures and proves Teds statement is true

Precisely.

Teddy is good man though, perhaps not cut out for the hard and thrust of state politics though.

As an aside has Kennett’s third of fourth terms been successful?

 

[Hawkk]

He was approached by the board. Not sure Ted is in a position to criticise given the government he lead was an abject failure

So he was approached by board members and then immediately asked for all their resignations (righto)

Kennett's agreement with his board: quit if I say so ...

Jeff Kennett has won an agreement from every member of his Hawthorn board to quit if the club president demands their resignation.

www.google.com.au

As for discontentment, ever wonder why we lost Bruce Stevenson and Audi as a sponsor (and replaced with Nissan)

Bruce is close to Don Scott (as is Professor Andrew Kaye), so that gives a pretty good indication of where at least 2 of the board members sat

Hawthorn farewells Stevenson

Hawthorn Football Club Director Bruce Stevenson has resigned

www.hawthornfc.com.au

As I said, Kennett’s administration has been an abject failure.

It’s an incitement on our club that the Victorian liberals had more spine than Hawthorn

 

[flinchfree]

What's playing out on this board illuminates the folly of having a political leader as Prez, particularly one who can't leave that side of his persona sheathed while performing his duties.
His partisanship should start and end with doing the best he can by Hawthorn the Club and for it's supporters.
No way a supporter group should be divided like this over suspicion that Jeff's actions are not Club first in nature.

 

[Yardie]

What's playing out on this board illuminates the folly of having a political leader as Prez, particularly one who can't leave that side of his persona sheathed while performing his duties.
His partisanship should start and end with doing the best he can by Hawthorn the Club and for it's supporters.
No way a supporter group should be divided like this over suspicion that Jeff's actions are not Club first in nature.

Eddie Everywhere had and still has numerous issues but you couldn't fault him on his ability to spruik and try and get the best outcomes for Collingwood.

 

[Hawkk]

Eddie Everywhere had and still has numerous issues but you couldn't fault him on his ability to spruik and try and get the best outcomes for Collingwood.

Eddie also didn’t slag off homosexual trainers, bully employees through Twitter who were subject to sexual harassment proceedings and then take a dig at Indian security guards at football games

But that’s by the by

My favourite is probably bringing the Buddy golliwog into his interview with Neil Mitchell at AW and slipping Cyril’s wife a pineapple to buy jeans that were more becoming...

 

[Carl Spackler]

 

[Goldhawk]

Hi there, fellow Hawkers. Well, what a roller coaster ride we have experienced over the last two weeks. Two weeks ago, we were thoroughly thrashed by Fremantle. Last Saturday we had the most wonderfully stirring draw against Melbourne. 17th on the ladder drew with the ladder leaders. After a flaky first quarter the boys applied themselves as though there was no tomorrow. We never gave up, and although our skill and ball handling at times leaves a lot to be desired, their will, determination and persistence carried the day. We all should be immensely proud of their effort. I will never forget the scribblings of former coach Allan Jeans who wrote before a Grand Final we won, “if you win the tackles, you win the game”. Such was the case on Saturday when we delivered 81 tackles to Melbourne’s 60. Remember what our strategy is: to get as many games as possible into the legs of our new younger players. Last week we had ten players under-22 learning what AFL football is all about, learning week on week what it is to be a team player and learning the culture that is Hawthorn. We are not going to win every game, but we are building towards something special. Can I turn to another subject? Someone sent me a clip of what Caroline Wilson said on Footy Classified on Monday night. I do not watch the show, and I suspect many of you do not as well. She made a few incorrect comments and assumptions. Last week there was a scheduled meeting between coaches Alastair Clarkson, Sam Mitchell, our Head of Football Rob McCartney and Leading Teams Founder Ray McLean. It is one of several meetings that will take place over this period of transition. These meetings are designed to work out the individual and shared responsibilities between Alastair and Sam as we prepare for the transition at the end of next year’s season. These meetings are common sense. We would be derelict in our duty if these meetings did not take place. It is a surprise to me that some, including Ms Wilson, are surprised that they are taking place. Ms Wilson described the meeting as a mediation meeting. Even though she was directly told by our CEO Justin Reeves that this was incorrect. These meetings are and will continue to be a very basic part of planning out our succession plan. Ms Wilson chose to ignore this truth and continued to refer to it as a mediation meeting. Let me be very clear, this was a planned meeting, and our players knew it was going to take place. We like to be transparent at Hawthorn and there will be more of these meetings to plan our future. Ms Wilson also inferred there had been some sort of blow-up between Alastair and Sam. This is also wrong. Both men have behaved admirably since the announcement. Of course, they are going to have different views on different aspects of the game. This is how good football clubs are developed. Our leaders need to be able to challenge each other. I would expect nothing less. But to characterise a respectful exchange of ideas as a “blow-up” makes clear that not only was she not in the room, she has no idea how or what was discussed. Finally, she concluded the segment by saying that I would be happy to pay out Alastair’s contract and have Sam coach next year. This is a complete fabrication. I have always said I want Alastair to complete his contract, not only because at Hawthorn we honour contracts but also because Alastair has said several times publicly, he intends to honour his contract. I make these comments only to inform you of the truth. As members this is what you are entitled to, the truth. Some commentators have questioned our succession plan. Many commercial organisations insist their CEOs identify and train people within their organisation to potentially succeed the CEO. It is good practice across the world. Sam Mitchell came back to the club because Clarko saw in Sam a potential senior coach. We have seen enough of Sam to believe he should be eventually our next senior coach. Coaching is not easy. It can be a very lonely job. You need to be able to work with many different characters and Presidents. Those skills need refining. We at Hawthorn are in a good place, with good people. Yes, we are following good governance practices, but those who often sit in judgment, including journalists, have never themselves had the experiences or the responsibility of leading anyone or any business. They are only interested in breaking through the crowd to be noticed, and so much of what they say is coloured, not professionally sourced, or just opinion not based on fact. Matters not to them as they pursue headlines and ratings. In the meantime, we get on with our job. All of us. For no one of us is more important than the club of which we are part. Of course, like everything the proof is there for everyone to see, and what we saw last Saturday says to me, collectively, we are on our way. Stay well, and COVID free. Get vaccinated so we can crawl our way back from these horrible lockdowns. Jeff Kennett President Hawthorn Football Club

 

[spudmaster]

Jeffery goes whack!

" I do not watch the show, and I suspect many of you do not as well. " Brutal

 

[Davo23]

Eddie Everywhere had and still has numerous issues but you couldn't fault him on his ability to spruik and try and get the best outcomes for Collingwood.

Hey, don’t knock Eddie, he was President for 22 years for 1 premiership.

That makes him one of the most successful Collingwood presidents ever.

 

[Stratton24]

Jeffery goes whack!

" I do not watch the show, and I suspect many of you do not as well. " Brutal

ratings indicate Jeff is spot on

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Jeffery goes whack!

" I do not watch the show, and I suspect many of you do not as well. " Brutal

I was surprised that the show was still going, and that anyone gives a toss what Caroline Wilson thinks.

 

[Billyc]

Completely untenable. Has turned the club into an incompetent, embarrassing mess. Must resign.

 

[Ashman23]

Full board replacement required.

 

[Roddy]

Once an LNP politician, always an LNP politician. A cancer on whatever they touch.