Player Watch Jeremy Finlayson

[Phar Ted]

And yet none have! Curious!

Just this year we've seen a homophobic sledge used twice in a couple months after nothing of the sort for a long time.

I'm sure there have already been hundreds of different sledges on the field this year, personally I think there is a difference between calling someone a ******* with malice compared to saying the same thing without any context along the lines of w@nker.

Obviously the recipient of the sledge should also be taken into account rather than everyone else being offended for him, he may have had not felt any ill will whatsoever or to the contrary.

 

[simba_]

they should suspend him and Dixon for the rest of the season and also Wines so we can field the team we want

 

[Grave Danger]

Plenty of 'Koch accused of defending homophobia' media this morning - that's probably nixed his AFL Chairmanship ambitions, so we'll be stuck with the bastard for ever.

 

[edgie]

Of course you should consider the recipient.

In your own example do you think an African American person would feel the same being on the receiving end of the N word from another African American compared to a white person?

Well even if we entertain that thought, the fact is, it wasn't was it? Given there's no gay AFL players to anyone's knowledge, we must assume that any slurs used are being used to insult someone, and someone that is gay may read about this and decide that maybe following or playing footy isn't for them. Is that what you want?

 

[edgie]

Unpopular opinion but I don't have too much issue with what Koch said...

 

[TeeKray]

Unpopular opinion but I don't have too much issue with what Koch said...

There was absolutely nothing wrong with his comments.

Kelli Underwood tried to make a false equivalence with the Taylor Walker racism slur saying it's the same thing and he deserves 6 weeks (it clearly isn't the same thing given Walker's slur was a malicious description of an Indigenous man whereas Finlayson is merely guilty of using crass language to insult an opponent). Koch disagreed and said it's more comparable to Clarkson and that actually Clarkson's was almost worse given it was premeditated compared to Finlayson who said it in the moment.

Of course the media now run with Koch is a disgusting homophobe and should resign.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Koch however wasn’t on board with the two being linked and say the league had set a precedent with the ruling it handed down to North Melbourne coach Alastair Clarkson.

“Not ruling it out (an internal investigation), but, umm, you know, if you look at comparisons and benchmarks that have been set,” Koch said.

“With a 55-year-old coach premeditated, target the player, walk up to them is very different to a player in the heat of battle when there was a lot of niggle in the game, the pressure again - absolutely no excuse, not condoning it whatever, and should not be part of the game, but if you’re going to look at a comparison, that would be the benchmark there.”

Underwood pressed the club president and asked: “If I put it to you, it’s in the same category as Taylor Walker

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’s racial slur, what would your response to that be?”

Koch responded: “I don’t think that’s realistic. I think the benchmark has been set in terms of...”

Caroline Wilson interjected: “With Alistair Clarkson which I thought was too light.”

Koch: “OK. But the benchmark has been set.”

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/d...r/news-story/841599f7a3d33e2c283744fa63eeb546

Koch defends his player while acknowledging he should be penalised within a context that has already been set this year and somehow this makes him a monster?

Get real.

If this had been a Victorian player saying it to a Port player, the good bloke brigade would be out in force.

Last night Jimmy Bartel called out Tom Morris for getting on his high horse about Jez's comments, along the lines of, That's a bit rich coming from you Tom. Then Morris said I don't want this to be about me and then made it about him.

I don't know how the media manages to untie itself from the knots it gets in.

 

[Lagooner]

Enough already with the racism vs homophobia pissing contest. It’s time to advance the conversation.

Now what school did Jeremy go to?

 

[Phar Ted]

Well even if we entertain that thought, the fact is, it wasn't was it? Given there's no gay AFL players to anyone's knowledge, we must assume that any slurs used are being used to insult someone, and someone that is gay may read about this and decide that maybe following or playing footy isn't for them. Is that what you want?

You're taking out the extra long bow there, which sports exactly are free from any kind of sledging or behaviours that might detract from anyone wanting to play them?

Society isn't perfect and I'd suggest the fear of head injuries in AFL and NRL might weigh a bit higher to detract players, cricket has a very well entrenched history in all kinds of sledging so that would be out, not all want to wear speedo's so that might be a bit of an encumbrance, some people are too short for basketball.........................

Yes, I may be getting a bit silly but the truth is the media have gone bonkers over this which probably make it more of a safe space for people thinking of playing this sport rather than the opposite.

 

[edgie]

Koch literally came in and defended his player and made a reasonable comparison to the treatment a vic personality received. Isn't that the kind of thing we want?

 

[Ford Fairlane]

There was absolutely nothing wrong with his comments.

Kelli Underwood tried to make a false equivance with the Taylor Walker racism slur saying it's the same thing and he deserves 6 weeks (it clearly isn't the same thing given Walker's slur was a malicious description of an Indigenous man whereas Finlayson is merely guilty of using crass language to insult an opponent). Koch disagreed and said it's more comparable to Clarkson and that actually Clarkson's was almost worse given it was premeditated compared to Finlayson who said it in the moment.

Of course the media now run with Koch is a disgusting homophobe and should resign.

And Clarkson wasn't just a comment, it was an unhinged rant against a player at the break typical of his angry little man demeanour.

 

[simba_]

Plenty of 'Koch accused of defending homophobia' media this morning - that's probably nixed his AFL Chairmanship ambitions, so we'll be stuck with the bastard for ever.

another morning another piece of juicy news contrived by AI to occupy my mind space until there is another later today

 

[edgie]

You're taking out the extra long bow there, which sports exactly are free from any kind of sledging or behaviours that might detract from anyone wanting to play them?
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It's not that long a bow, mate. There's been a very public case of homophobic language being used, it was picked up on an umpires microphone, and it's made the news. We will only know about and judge the things that go public, and it's now known that players may still call other players ******s like they aren't welcome.

I went through it and I imagine a lot of other people have too.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Its obviously so much closer to Clarko than Walker

The fact that so many of these pricks were silent on the Clarko punishment and speaking up now shows everything about them as people.

 

[GremioPower]

I definitely can't agree though that anything to gain a competitive advantage is fair game.

It’s definitely not fair game. Ultimately, it’s an aggression.

It’s not something I would do, but I’d rather have those that would do it on my side than playing against me. I also must be ready to avoid being affected by it.

Zidane lost a World Cup because of it. Was Materazzi a SoB? Sure. Did it work? Perfectly. Sorry, but kudos to the Italian.

It’s not about fairness. It’s about exploiting a weakness to win.

It’s cold. It’s dirty. It’s football.

 

[theouthouse]

Out of interest, what did you think of the 6 weeks for ted's racist outburst?

Just going to chime in with this:

Did Jeremy know the player he directed his slur to was homosexual? Bit hard to defend if it was known. Skin colour is pretty obvious so indefensible.

 

[afl2004]

Koch should resign immediately after those comments

 

[bringbackbucky]

Deserves games for stupidity alone...

 

[LittleLika]

No I don't get your point and I don't think others would either, because it's ridiculous.

You come in here with some sense of righteousness that homophobia isn't comparable to racism and the things your people have suffered through are unquestionably worse and more relevant than things another group has suffered through.

What sense of righteousness lol? I literally called out something I thought wasn't comparable and gave my opinion, in return the wolves came after me.

At the end of the day whether we agree or disagree I'd like to think we have a common ground as port supporters to disagree respectfully. I never degraded homosexuals or homosexuality, I simply didn't think it was comparable to racism and gave my point. Whether or not yourself and others thought it was poorly formed or you disagreed, I thought people would be better than to be condescending and take the piss out of mass genocide regardless if the reference was thought of to be ridiculous.

I can be about inclusivity and still have an opinion you know?

 

[edgie]

What sense of righteousness lol? I literally called out something I thought wasn't comparable and gave my opinion, in return the wolves came after me.

At the end of the day whether we agree or disagree I'd like to think we have a common ground as port supporters to disagree respectfully. I never degraded homosexuals or homosexuality, I simply didn't think it was comparable to racism and gave my point. Whether or not yourself and others thought it was poorly formed or you disagreed, I thought people would be better than to be condescending and take the piss out of mass genocide regardless if the reference was thought of to be ridiculous.

I can be about inclusivity and still have an opinion you know?

Of course you can have an opinion, but it didn't come across an opinion. It came across very matter of factly, a statement of fact.

I don't even know who brought in the racism comparison and you're allowed to argue on behalf on your own experience. I don't have much of that but I do with homophobia. Either way it shouldn't really be relevant to the issue. I'm just giving my opinion of the issue and the comparison, trying to play the issue here, and if any of it has come off as personal and attacking you rather than attacking something you said, that's not my intent and I don't wanna do that to anyone, but we all get passionate about things. It's a nice break to get passionate about something other than the state of the PAFC.

I don't mean anything personal, just trying to play the topic here, and if it doesn't get anywhere then hope we could just agree to disagree and still be united by being Port supporters.

 

[The Hobo]

Last night Jimmy Bartel called out Tom Morris for getting on his high horse about Jez's comments, along the lines of, That's a bit rich coming from you Tom. Then Morris said I don't want this to be about me and then made it about him.

Brilliant - what was that on?

 

[El_Scorcho]

What sense of righteousness lol? I literally called out something I thought wasn't comparable and gave my opinion, in return the wolves came after me.

This absolutely isn't what happened. You compared what Finlayson said to mere banter, someone else said a racial slur is a more accurate comparison, and then you got angry about it, saying "Do not ever compare a racial slur to a homophobic slur ever again. Absolutely ridiculous take.", then bringing up how your ancestors got murdered under the Ottoman empire.

When it was pointed out to you that people have been murdered en masse for being gay just as they have for being a certain race, you're now all "hey that's just my opinion, don't come after me about it".

If you're going to elevate an atrocity that has happened to your ancestors and diminish atrocities that have happened to other people, expect some pushback.

 

[Contested Marx]

Just going to chime in with this:

Did Jeremy know the player he directed his slur to was homosexual? Bit hard to defend if it was known. Skin colour is pretty obvious so indefensible.

it really doesn't matter either way;

it is a word that simply should not be used

 

[Papa G]

This absolutely isn't what happened. You compared what Finlayson said to mere banter, someone else said a racial slur is a more accurate comparison, and then you got angry about it, saying "Do not ever compare a racial slur to a homophobic slur ever again. Absolutely ridiculous take.", then bringing up how your ancestors got murdered under the Ottoman empire.

When it was pointed out to you that people have been murdered en masse for being gay just as they have for being a certain race, you're now all "hey that's just my opinion, don't come after me about it".

If you're going to elevate an atrocity that has happened to your ancestors and diminish atrocities that have happened to other people, expect some pushback.

And you and others are trying to conflate a mere word to a grown adult masuline athlete man as a tiny insult on a football field to roaming the streets hunting down homosexuals and beating/killing them? The hyperbole is palpable. Haven't you held up signs in the crowd at Adelaide Oval calling for the coaches head? Do you think this would be hurtful to Ken and his family? Trying to openly call for the destruction of his livelihood? Which one is worse? Hypocrisy Much?

 

[Tibbs]

What a sh!t thread this has become. Full of high and mighty, opinionated, crap, from both extremes!

The guy swore at someone, and in the heat of the moment, used a word that is no longer acceptable. He should have used a word that is more acceptable word in society, like "you mother-fu...r." Then, it would have been all peachy! What a stupid world we live in!

Just give him his punishment, & let's move on.