Player Watch Jeremy Howe

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Sunbot said:
If that's important to you fair call.
Not to me. If the club has I think it's called media management. If Howe has then that's between him and the Club internally to sort out. As a fan I'm not into reactive bleating, my expectations are that the Club sorts out problems as and when they inevitably happen and move on so it does distract from the main goal. This is what Bucks has been saying for quite a while "controlling what you can control".
I as a member do not need to know every intricate (grubby or not) detail of every minor issue. I have a life. I'm not part of the Inner Sanctum and have no desire to be informed as if I were. I pay for pleasure that the Club officials will do the best for the Club, not what's best for me, for individual players, for Eddie, for the AFL, for drama queens, and certainly not the media. I'm comfortable feeding the media BS if that helps the Club to success. If they happen to not fully inform me of Sacred secrets or they string a few porkies in there - guess what? I forgive them so long as they deliver flags at a reasonable frequency.
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How hard is it just to say Howe injured finger playing a game of cricket which the club sanctioned. Would of cut out a lot of the BS going on now.


Feeding BS does nothing especially when the truth finds a way to come out anyway. Yes you have a point we don't need to know everything but when shit comes out just own it and move on.
 
Sunbot said:
If that's important to you fair call.
Not to me. If the club has I think it's called media management. If Howe has then that's between him and the Club internally to sort out. As a fan I'm not into reactive bleating, my expectations are that the Club sorts out problems as and when they inevitably happen and move on so it does distract from the main goal. This is what Bucks has been saying for quite a while "controlling what you can control".
I as a member do not need to know every intricate (grubby or not) detail of every minor issue. I have a life. I'm not part of the Inner Sanctum and have no desire to be informed as if I were. I pay for pleasure that the Club officials will do the best for the Club, not what's best for me, for individual players, for Eddie, for the AFL, for drama queens, and certainly not the media. I'm comfortable feeding the media BS if that helps the Club to success. If they happen to not fully inform me of Sacred secrets or they string a few porkies in there - guess what? I forgive them so long as they deliver flags at a reasonable frequency.
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Assuming he did it at cricket, (in front of countless people) what's to be gained from either of them spinning sh!t.
If either of them did it because he didn't have permission to play, (which is apparently the case) what's to be gained.
I don't need to know everything, (although it would be interesting) lying just makes us look like the dickheads imo.
 
Baltimore Jack said:
The only dickheads are the people who immediately think the worse of any situation involving one of our players.
Without any evidence what-so-ever they call both the Player and the Club liars.
Then when the club try to explain it some detail, they simply 'turn their backs' and refuse to listen to the explanation

Dickheads indeed
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Not sure it was immediate reaction.

There appears to be some credible witness contradicting the official report. Further, why would a club allow a player that is injured player (feet) play another sport?

Not so sure calling supporters names is the way to go.

Sadly club has some poor form on reporting of injuries.
 

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I perhaps I'm just used it. Long list of Pies telling versions to the Club and the Club running with that version. Dids, Heath, Daisy, Beams just to name a few.
A few years ago I just thought to myself I would no longer care about the frenzy when these things inevitably happen. It made me a lot happier to look at and celebrate what we do well and leave the rest to the Club (i.e. That's what they get paid to do). On the big issues I'll weigh in for sure (such as the perpetual 2-3 weeks on Reid and Freeman) but I really can't get excited about this incident with Howe.
My forward pack for the first 8 weeks has Moore Cloke and Faz supported by Macaffer Swan Broomhead White and Blair so I'm not missing him.
 
loki04 said:
The true dickheads are the ones who believe the club and players tells the truth 100% of the time when time and time again things are often leaked that turn out to be the opposite of what was said.

Howe bowled 4 overs with hotspots in his feet. (This is what annoys people the most).
Howe reportedly left game in ambulance by witness' at the match.
Howe breaks finger same day AFTER getting a free ride (by Ambos) to park where he meets his dog who throws Frisbee's at Howe to catch!
Claims on FB that he broke it at the game on a failed catch by those who were involved in game.
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The whole ambulance thing seems odd. Who the hell calls an ambulance for a broken finger? Surely it's not worthy of pulling an ambulance away from other potentially more urgent calls?
 
Apex36 said:
The whole ambulance thing seems odd. Who the hell calls an ambulance for a broken finger? Surely it's not worthy of pulling an ambulance away from other potentially more urgent calls?
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It was a bad break, and the cricket club would've shat themselves. He probably couldn't drive either. Usually a teammate or club person just drives them though, you are right.
 
Apex36 said:
The whole ambulance thing seems odd. Who the hell calls an ambulance for a broken finger? Surely it's not worthy of pulling an ambulance away from other potentially more urgent calls?
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loki04 said:
How hard is it just to say Howe injured finger playing a game of cricket which the club sanctioned. Would of cut out a lot of the BS going on now.


Feeding BS does nothing especially when the truth finds a way to come out anyway. Yes you have a point we don't need to know everything but when shit comes out just own it and move on.
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As others have said it actually matters 3/5s of FA at this stage of the season. Still a long, long way to go. And why do we assume that the club micro-manage every aspect of a players life outside of footy. It was an accident, a finger got broken, move on. It's the type of diatribe evident in this thread that feeds the media circus and it's all based on an assumption that we are owed full and comprehensive disclosure. Maybe we should just get a grip!
 
in the end the finger is broken weather by the dog playing Frisbee or by cricket it does not matter now its done
and who knows he mite have had a clearance from the club to play cricket that weekend.
so there mite be no lies at all. do we really know, and right now its dun, and l am moving on from it
 
left at home said:
in the end the finger is broken weather by the dog playing Frisbee or by cricket it does not matter now its done
and who knows he mite have had a clearance from the club to play cricket that weekend.
so there mite be no lies at all. do we really know, and right now its dun, and l am moving on from it
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No, no no. That's not how it works
Supporters own every inch of Howe's life, if he does anything they don't like he is answerable to them
The Club lies to us every time they speak. It is written in the Club's Articles in invisible ink that this must be so
Eye witnesses saw him playing Cricket although it has never been denied that he played Cricket
 
sirlothie said:
Balme says he doesn't care if he broke it playing cricket but if he is too injured to train fully surely he shouldn't be playing cricket.

There is a bloke on facebook saying he is the one Howe dropped to break his finger!

It all seems disingenuous by the club and I am disappointed in them in this instance. They are calling us dickheads and taking us for dickheads. :thumbsdown:
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You can bet your bottom dollar that Howe has been given a right bollocking within the club. Balme is just tying to kill the story and keep our preseason preparation on track.
 
jackcass said:
As others have said it actually matters 3/5s of FA at this stage of the season. Still a long, long way to go. And why do we assume that the club micro-manage every aspect of a players life outside of footy. It was an accident, a finger got broken, move on. It's the type of diatribe evident in this thread that feeds the media circus and it's all based on an assumption that we are owed full and comprehensive disclosure. Maybe we should just get a grip!
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You miss the point yet again.

The issue is allowing player/s to do something that clearly prevents the best chance of recovery ie fast bowling with hot spots in the feet or surfing on a bung ankle (DT).
The injury to the finger which required surgery only compounds it, players should while in recovery limiting activities to things that won't further hamper their recovery period.
Howe should be told during rehab no cricket that simple, to do otherwise shows he is not as committed as he should be. Would be like seeing Scharenberg jumping on a trampoline weeks after his knee surgery...

The other part is the club feeding BS when it was already known he was injured in cricket reported on Nicks BB earlier that day before the Balme tweet about the Frisbee throwing dog.
Just come out and say Howe broken finger in cricket incident.

Stops the conjecture in its tracks. At worse you would just have: why is he playing cricket while in recovery for foot hotspots and not being able to do full training on it? type questions.
Which could also be simply shut down with: we will look into best practice regarding players/Howe playing other sports/activities while players are in recovery to help prevent recurrence or injury in future instance.

Fast bowling may well be the cause of the saw foot in the first place.

No one has said we need to know everything only you and Baltimoreoncrack have.
 

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loki04 said:
You miss the point yet again.

The issue is allowing player/s to do something that clearly prevents the best chance of recovery ie fast bowling with hot spots in the feet or surfing on a bung ankle (DT).
The injury to the finger which required surgery only compounds it, players should while in recovery limiting activities to things that won't further hamper their recovery period.
Howe should be told during rehab no cricket that simple, to do otherwise shows he is not as committed as he should be. Would be like seeing Scharenberg jumping on a trampoline weeks after his knee surgery...

The other part is the club feeding BS when it was already known he was injured in cricket reported on Nicks BB earlier that day before the Balme tweet about the Frisbee throwing dog.
Just come out and say Howe broken finger in cricket incident.

Stops the conjecture in its tracks, at worse you would just have is why is he playing cricket while in recovery for foot hotspots and not being able to do full training on it.
Which could also be simply shut down with: we will look into best practice regarding players/Howe playing other sports/activities while players are in recovery to help prevent recurrence or injury in future instance.

Fast bowling may well be the cause of the saw foot in the first place.

No one has said we need to know everything only you and Baltimoreoncrack have.
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You're right - the injury is a by product of something he shouldn't have been involved with in the first place. I don't mind seeing players involved in activities outside of football but clearly not if they are on modified programs or in recovery, just not professional.

As for the club, it's like asking my 7 year old to own up to something that I suspect she did but can't prove. Sometimes you can't do anything more than be forced to accept it and support them in that 1% chance they are telling the truth. What worries me though is likening Howe to my 7 year old daughter - hopefully my daughter grows up and accepts honesty as the best way forward.
 
NT.Thunder said:
You're right - the injury is a by product of something he shouldn't have been involved with in the first place. I don't mind seeing players involved in activities outside of football but clearly not if they are on modified programs or in recovery, just not professional.
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Says who? The Club aren't saying that, so where did you get it from?
 
Baltimore Jack said:
Says who? The Club aren't saying that, so where did you get it from?
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Commonsense maybe.

Would you and I guess do you condone a guy playing cricket, bowling, who is on a recovery program and known to be battling foot soreness.
 
NT.Thunder said:
Commonsense maybe.

Would you and I guess do you condone a guy playing cricket, bowling, who is on a recovery program and known to be battling foot soreness.
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What is his recovery program?
I've not seen any details on it, what have you seen?

Treloar is on a recovery program for OP but I see he is running...why is he doing that, surely it is "common sense" not to?
 
loki04 said:
You miss the point yet again.

The issue is allowing player/s to do something that clearly prevents the best chance of recovery ie fast bowling with hot spots in the feet or surfing on a bung ankle (DT).
The injury to the finger which required surgery only compounds it, players should while in recovery limiting activities to things that won't further hamper their recovery period.
Howe should be told during rehab no cricket that simple, to do otherwise shows he is not as committed as he should be. Would be like seeing Scharenberg jumping on a trampoline weeks after his knee surgery...

The other part is the club feeding BS when it was already known he was injured in cricket reported on Nicks BB earlier that day before the Balme tweet about the Frisbee throwing dog.
Just come out and say Howe broken finger in cricket incident.

Stops the conjecture in its tracks. At worse you would just have: why is he playing cricket while in recovery for foot hotspots and not being able to do full training on it? type questions.
Which could also be simply shut down with: we will look into best practice regarding players/Howe playing other sports/activities while players are in recovery to help prevent recurrence or injury in future instance.

Fast bowling may well be the cause of the saw foot in the first place.

No one has said we need to know everything only you and Baltimoreoncrack have.
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Not missing anything but thanks for laying it all out on a platter for me. I repeat, it's neither "issue worthy", worth getting knickers in a twist over, or worthy of this level of angst. Most of the diatribe reeks of childish petulance but don't let that stop you doing whatever keeps you amused.
 
I dont have too many problems with a 26yo man playing cricket with his mates. He knows his body better than all of us so the good news is that he feels comfortable in his feet to play competitive sport. On breaking his finger.....well better to do it during a physical activity than say a broken jaw after being in a fight at a pub.
So my main concern is that Howes weapons are his hands and marking skills......i just hope he doesnt turn into Chris Dawes after he broke his hand in 2011. Dawes hasnt been able to take an overhead mark since
 
NT.Thunder said:
Commonsense maybe.

Would you and I guess do you condone a guy playing cricket, bowling, who is on a recovery program and known to be battling foot soreness.
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Do you have intimate knowledge of where he's at in his training/rehab, or even that it's still at a stage that would preclude him playing cricket, or that the club medicos hadn't approved outside activity?
 
Baltimore Jack said:
Says who? The Club aren't saying that, so where did you get it from?
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But looking at the original foot soreness injury, this was back in the first week of January so maybe the club did know and approved him playing Cricket, but why not admit the injury was caused by the game than. Wouldn't be anything to hide then would there?


jackcass said:
Do you have intimate knowledge of where he's at in his training/rehab, or even that it's still at a stage that would preclude him playing cricket, or that the club medicos hadn't approved outside activity?
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I have as much intimate knowledge as you I'm assuming so do you have any inside word the club sanctioned his involvement in the match?
 
NT.Thunder said:
But looking at the original foot soreness injury, this was back in the first week of January so maybe the club did know and approved him playing Cricket, but why not admit the injury was caused by the game than. Wouldn't be anything to hide then would there?
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Why do you assume that is where the injury occurred and not as he and Balme have stated?
What information do you have to say he and Balme are not telling the truth?

And to be fair, I have no issue with you or anyone else guessing, its only when guesses try to be passed off as fact that I say..."umm, hang on a second"
 

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