News Jnr Rioli - He’s back.

[Wild Kelly]

There's also a report about what drug Willie was trying to hide.

Can't quite remember it though, I'm sure there's a source close in this thread.
User name StarvingPussy or something.

I think I might know his sister Sha Ven.

 

[Wild Kelly]

ill wait for the investigation to be completed before i make any judgement on rioli.

doubt hes a drug cheat. just f’ed up a moment that could ruin his career. however there are or have been far worse that got off with a lighter charge.

the fu**en media are horrid. funny with the frawley thing, 14 years ago he was being crucified for being a s**t coach. look what happened. this sort of things stick to you like s**t. the worst thing everyone is doing now is the innuendo and the plowing of s**t on himself as a person and his character. if he is convicted then he shall suffer the punishment but until then well let the investigation takes it course.

i hope the team doesnt cave in tonight cos of this. and i doubt they will

Can he pull the "temporary insanity" defence?

 

[BartBart]

Couple of things...

1: yesterday was RUOK Day
2: if there was a 2nd legitimate sample also taken - I'd assume that the test result would also be known. And we haven't heard (yet) of a +ve test result.

 

[twinkletoes#17]

Jesus Christ - probably should have lawyered up before adding more fuel to the fire with that insta post. It has made the anti-eagles brigade even more feral by his vague choice of words.

Literally added nothing remotely helpful, but added plenty of fuel to the fire.

 

[arfadunger]

Be interesting to see how it all pans out. He will get a suspension, and while some people want blood I don't understand it. The suggestion, as I see it now, is that he feared that he may have has some recreational drugs in his system, panicked and diluted his urine with gatorade or something. There is also some reports that he then submitted a second urine that is expected to come back -ve to PED. Isn't what we want a clean and fair competition and the anti doping rules applying with that in mind. As far as I'm concerned anyone producing a +ve result to PEDs should suffer the full consequences, including Willie if that's the case. However if there is a 2nd urine sample and it does come back -ve to PED then the penalty should reflect that . We want a fair and even competition and bans should reflect people people trying to cheat the system, not for being stupid.

 

[LangdonA]

My first thought was WITHNAIL & I. What a classic film.

Start from 3:40

 

[Coasters7]

Pretty pissed off with the way they handled it though in hindsight and it’s easy to see why there’s allegedly a lot of cover ups for strikes with fake injuries/mental health (cough.. Buddy). You can see how Essendon and their fans felt (although a little different being systematic PED doping), but the process was the same. Throw out some one liner and leave it to everyone to pile on and speculate for months on end while you conduct an investigation. Now you see why clubs are so cagey about everything, things can spiral quickly if the wrong words are said in a statement.

 

[ChampRevesby]

Jesus Christ - probably should have lawyered up before adding more fuel to the fire with that insta post. It has made the anti-eagles brigade even more feral by his vague choice of words.

Literally added nothing remotely helpful, but added plenty of fuel to the fire.

I blame the club not getting onto this quickly and telling him to not say a word.

 

[DirtySandman]

I blame the club not getting onto this quickly and telling him to not say a word.

If he listened to what the club already told him, we wouldn’t be here.

 

[ChampRevesby]

If he listened to what the club already told him, we wouldn’t be here.

Humans do strange things under fire.

 

[amazingjoshy]

'Sources familiar with the matter confirmed that follow-up tests were conducted by ASADA to establish whether Rioli had performance-enhancing drugs in his system. Those tests found no evidence of a prohibited substance.'

- From the Chip Le Grand article

am I the only one that read this? Probably the most important quote in the whole thread if true.

Again, what is the link? Cannot find it anywhere by googling

 

[Woobla Stainz]

Whitfield avoiding a test is the only somewhat similar situation we have here and he only got 6 months so surely 4 years isn’t the only result possible.

What avout the Chinese swimmer smashing the vials of blood?

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

Willie is a pot head, it's the word on the street

Waterman is not AFL quality, he's a spud

Marsden 2 year deal with GCS confirmed, he won't play again

Venables has already retired

Blaine

See ya's

And the Baldivis Brumbies are replacing West Coast in the competition after they fold

 

[Ishmael_]

am I the only one that read this? Probably the most important quote in the whole thread if true.

Again, what is the link? Cannot find it anywhere by googling

Know your drug codes: Rioli case presents a lesson to players

If Willie Rioli had illicit substances in his system on the day he was drug tested by ASADA, it wouldn’t have been reported back to the AFL or his club.

www.watoday.com.au

 

[RanaNaved]

They get the sample they were after, and it was clean?

One week suspension

 

[mick06]

So im going with recreational drug use here. No PED use as if there's any of that then any niceties towardswillie are gone.

Two scenarios from this point are likely.

If he was given a 6-12 month ban. He straightens himself out and comes out of this a better person.

If he is given 2+ years. AFL career over and his life could spiral out of control leading to further substance abuse.

Its hard to see the punishment fitting the crime in situation 2. Its exactly what the AFL is trying to stop with their drugs policy, but ASADA will push HARD for this.

 

[woosha24]

Get the feeling ASADA want to make an example out of this case. "Touch samples and never play AFL again" kinda thing.

Of course I doubt we'll ever find our how Willie managed to get the Gatoraide in the tube.

 

[ChampRevesby]

Get the feeling ASADA want to make an example out of this case. "Touch samples and never play AFL again" kinda thing.

Of course I doubt we'll ever find our how Willie managed to get the Gatoraide in the tube.

It wasn't covert he just picked up the can and poured and the tester just watched him do it and said nothing.

 

[woosha24]

It wasn't covert he just picked up the can and poured and the tester just watched him do it and said nothing.

If that's how it went down, and no-one told Simmo et all at the time, then that is f*cked. Club should have been notified and got way out ahead of this business.

 

[ChampRevesby]

If that's how it went down, and no-one told Simmo et all at the time, then that is f*cked.

Its not their job to report to the club, they report to their superiors and the AFL. Willie should have told the club what went down but apparently the club only found out when they got off the plane the other day. The whole thing is a mess of Willies doing.

 

[PaulSubetro]

So they get the sample they were after, and it was clean?

One week suspension

Article is ambiguous. I think it says the origi sample (he Gatorade) is clean. I think it implies they tested it again to make sure rather than test this elusive "second piss test".

 

[amazingjoshy]

The tester must've said something for him to give a 2nd sample though.

That article and Ryan Daniels tweets are the only sources so far saying that a 2nd sample was taken

 

[Scotland]

It’s a little different for offenses under the WADA code. The maximum penalty is the default. You need to show compelling circumstances for it to be reduced.

All WADA/ASADA stuff is burden of proof on the athlete. That's always been the case.

The maximum penalty might be the default but it's not mandatory. Sam Murray got 18 months for an offence that carries a 4 year penalty. That has zero bearing on Rioli's case specifics, but the system isn't as cut and dry as some make out.

 

[ChampRevesby]

The tester must've said something for him to give a 2nd sample though.

That article and Ryan Daniels tweets are the only sources so far saying that a 2nd sample was taken

Yeah but I bet it wasn't "mate you did that wrong", the tester saw him taint the first one and just asked for another sample.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Article is ambiguous. I think it says the origi sample (he Gatorade) is clean. I think it implies they tested it again to make sure rather than test this elusive "second piss test".

" Chemical analysis conducted on the sample he provided to ASADA on August 20 did not detect the presence of urea, the principle organic compound in human urine.

ASADA is investigating on the basis of this analysis whether Rioli substituted something other than urine, possibly a sports drink, in his sample.

Sources familiar with the matter confirmed that follow-up tests were conducted by ASADA to establish whether Rioli had performance-enhancing drugs in his system. Those tests found no evidence of a prohibited substance."

Why would they test the Gatorade or whatever it was for PEDs once its been established what it is?

I read that as follow-up tests (as in another piss test) were conducted, doesn't say if it was on the same day though.