News Jnr Rioli - He’s back.

[ConcreteWaters]

It's hard to see how he doesn't get the full whack, even though there was nothing of interest in his second sample.
1) Anything less would set a precedent to substitute your sample to evade a positive test (if you were using PED) and get a lesser sanction than testing positive (could be mitigated by the negative second test?)
2) That Willie, as much as I love him, seeks to cover up rather than go through the process of being tested properly and bearing the consequences of the testing process. It breaks the integrity of the system.

He'll be at the mercy of ASADA. They might want to make an example of him to say if you subvert the system in any way, you're gone for a long time. And fair enough, it'll stop anyone else trying to do the same. Or, they might be lenient and suspend some of the sentence.

I feel for Willie. He's having a big life lesson that most people learn in much more innocuous situations.

 

[Cuzz09]

I reckon he'll get 12 months.

Backdated to Aug 20th.

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[southcoast]

Not sure if it has been said/asked before but why didn't WCE send club chaperone/representative to testing session too. Puely and simply to make sure the player being tested does nothing untoward during the testing process.

The test will reveal (or not) the presence of naughty stuff - that cannot be changed in the frame given but to 'tamper' with the process is pure and unadulterated silliness.

Might be a harsh lesson to learn but I bet all other AFL club will NOW send club chaperone/representative to each and every test.

 

[Bacchus]

It's hard to see how he doesn't get the full whack, even though there was nothing of interest in his second sample.
1) Anything less would set a precedent to substitute your sample to evade a positive test (if you were using PED) and get a lesser sanction than testing positive (could be mitigated by the negative second test?)
2) That Willie, as much as I love him, seeks to cover up rather than go through the process of being tested properly and bearing the consequences of the testing process. It breaks the integrity of the system.

He'll be at the mercy of ASADA. They might want to make an example of him to say if you subvert the system in any way, you're gone for a long time. And fair enough, it'll stop anyone else trying to do the same. Or, they might be lenient and suspend some of the sentence.

I feel for Willie. He's having a big life lesson that most people learn in much more innocuous situations.

I disagree.
If Willie who is not a PED cheat gets 4 years that will be the end of his AFL career. That is more than a life lesson. That is shattering. That is life destroying. No wonder everybody is worried about his mental health. All to supposedly maintain the integrity of a system that is not interested in people like him. As I pointed out in a previous post he is from the Tiwi Islands and quite likely didn't understand what was going on.
To deprive him of his AFL career is not justice it would be a gross injustice. The punishment does not fit the crime.
I hope something can be sorted out and commonsense and justice prevail.
It seems like the Eagles were negligent by not having someone with him.

 

[Avalor]

I disagree.
If Willie who is not a PED cheat gets 4 years that will be the end of his AFL career. That is more than a life lesson. That is shattering. That is life destroying. No wonder everybody is worried about his mental health. All to supposedly maintain the integrity of a system that is not interested in people like him. As I pointed out in a previous post he is from the Tiwi Islands and quite likely didn't understand what was going on.
To deprive him of his AFL career is not justice it would be a gross injustice. The punishment does not fit the crime.
I hope something can be sorted out and commonsense and justice prevail.
It seems like the Eagles were negligent by not having someone with him.

The test was randomly done at his house, wasn't it? So the club would have had no notification it was going to be carried out.

 

[ziad]

I disagree.
If Willie who is not a PED cheat gets 4 years that will be the end of his AFL career. That is more than a life lesson. That is shattering. That is life destroying. No wonder everybody is worried about his mental health. All to supposedly maintain the integrity of a system that is not interested in people like him. As I pointed out in a previous post he is from the Tiwi Islands and quite likely didn't understand what was going on.
To deprive him of his AFL career is not justice it would be a gross injustice. The punishment does not fit the crime.
I hope something can be sorted out and commonsense and justice prevail.
It seems like the Eagles were negligent by not having someone with him.

Disagree - he gets constant training on testing. His choice to sway $500kpa for life on the dole in Darwin.

 

[ConcreteWaters]

I disagree.
If Willie who is not a PED cheat gets 4 years that will be the end of his AFL career. That is more than a life lesson. That is shattering. That is life destroying. No wonder everybody is worried about his mental health. All to supposedly maintain the integrity of a system that is not interested in people like him. As I pointed out in a previous post he is from the Tiwi Islands and quite likely didn't understand what was going on.
To deprive him of his AFL career is not justice it would be a gross injustice. The punishment does not fit the crime.
I hope something can be sorted out and commonsense and justice prevail.
It seems like the Eagles were negligent by not having someone with him.

I really hope so too. Too big a price to pay, but ASADA won't be grey about it. If (big if) the reports are true, it's pretty open and shut for them. Willie seen tampering, test result backs it up and the system has been attempted to be deliberately subverted.
We can only hope!
Just looking through some WADA bans (not sure how similar the process is between ASADA and WADA)-
2 years for urine substitution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrián_Annus
2 years for tampering and refusal to submit to doping conrol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamid_Ezzine
2 years for manipulating an OOC test: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tezdzhan_Naimova
2 years for tampering with uringe: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/7679893.stm

So maybe he gets 2 years. With a clean second test, perhaps he can play earlier?

 

[Bacchus]

The test was randomly done at his house, wasn't it? So the club would have had no notification it was going to be carried out.

I don't know, was it. Kind of makes it worse if it was. Putting as much, perhaps more resources into this than they are in to catching terrorists. I am only joking, but these drug officials come across as very self important.

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

I really hope so too. Too big a price to pay, but ASADA won't be grey about it. If (big if) the reports are true, it's pretty open and shut for them. Willie seen tampering, test result backs it up and the system has been attempted to be deliberately subverted.
We can only hope!
Just looking through some WADA bans (not sure how similar the process is between ASADA and WADA)-
2 years for urine substitution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrián_Annus
2 years for tampering and refusal to submit to doping conrol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamid_Ezzine
2 years for manipulating an OOC test: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tezdzhan_Naimova
2 years for tampering with uringe: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/7679893.stm

So maybe he gets 2 years. With a clean second test, perhaps he can play earlier?

In all those examples (I think) the athlete was not able to provide a sample which could prove they were not doping.

If the tampering renders it impossible to get an accurate result it makes sense to throw down the maximum punishment. If there is proof that there was no doping, the tampering should be treated much more leniently.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

My freo supporting mate sent me this. Sorry I had to do it

 

[Bacchus]

I really hope so too. Too big a price to pay, but ASADA won't be grey about it. If (big if) the reports are true, it's pretty open and shut for them. Willie seen tampering, test result backs it up and the system has been attempted to be deliberately subverted.
We can only hope!
Just looking through some WADA bans (not sure how similar the process is between ASADA and WADA)-
2 years for urine substitution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrián_Annus
2 years for tampering and refusal to submit to doping conrol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamid_Ezzine
2 years for manipulating an OOC test: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tezdzhan_Naimova
2 years for tampering with uringe: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/7679893.stm

So maybe he gets 2 years. With a clean second test, perhaps he can play earlier?

Well you've cut it down from 4 years to 2 years. That's a good reduction, I think that would be the maximum that he could come back from. My hope would be that it will be less.

 

[southcoast]

The test was randomly done at his house, wasn't it? So the club would have had no notification it was going to be carried out.

According to this morning's West - Willie was tapped on the shoulder during training.

I am not across all drug testing/WADA rules but I expect there is nothing precluding 'making a phone call' - other actions but I am convinced phoning a friend would be above board.

 

[southcoast]

My freo supporting mate sent me this. Sorry I had to do it

Gotta love the Aussie sense of humour.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Some of you guys are brutal on this drugs thing.

It's rampant out in there in general society. All professions, all walks of life. The younger you are the more are doing it.

There would be a fair portion of the journalists reporting this that are close friends with Uncle Charlie on a routine basis.

 

[southcoast]

There would be a fair portion of the journalists reporting this that are close friends with Uncle Charlie on a routine basis.

Are you suggesting some parts of the media have double standards?

An interesting proposition

 

[ChrisKaias]

I really hope so too. Too big a price to pay, but ASADA won't be grey about it. If (big if) the reports are true, it's pretty open and shut for them. Willie seen tampering, test result backs it up and the system has been attempted to be deliberately subverted.
We can only hope!
Just looking through some WADA bans (not sure how similar the process is between ASADA and WADA)-
2 years for urine substitution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrián_Annus
2 years for tampering and refusal to submit to doping conrol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamid_Ezzine
2 years for manipulating an OOC test: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tezdzhan_Naimova
2 years for tampering with uringe: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/7679893.stm

So maybe he gets 2 years. With a clean second test, perhaps he can play earlier?

Prior to 2015, the standard penalty was 2 years. Since 2015 it is 4 years.

If the violation is proven, Willie will get 4 years unless:

• he can satisfy the Tribunal that his violation was not intentional, then he will get 2 years. This means he has to satisfy the Tribunal that he didn't engage in conduct where he knew there was a significant risk of the conduct being an Anti-Doping Violation, and disregarded that risk. A pretty tough ask from the limited facts we know, it is hard to see this ever applying to a tampering case.
• he does a deal with the support of both ASADA and WADA 'promptly', admitting what he did. ASADA and WADA will only do this where they think it's appropriate given the nature of his violation. If so, he will get a minimum of 2 years. My personal view is this is very unlikely, tampering of any nature is seen as about as serious as it gets.

I've left out the possibility he could dob in other players for doping (not illicit substance) violations which is another way he could cut his ban, because there's no indication that's any possibility. But hopefully this helps in understanding that under the Doping Code you get a set penalty, and it is only reduced in very specific circumstances. It isn't like a Court where there is a maximum penalty and the judge applies their instinctive synthesis to pluck an appropriate number.

Just thought I would help with expectation management given some of the comments on here. If his violation is proven, he's facing the full 4 years. What isn't relevant particularly is what he was trying to hide and whether he did take any PEDs. As soon as he tampered with the sample (if he did), whether he actually was doping doesn't really matter anymore.

 

[eagles rule]

From what I have read imo Willie will probably get a 32 month suspension and not the maximum 48 month suspension ..

 

[InTheWings]

Apparently each drug test is preceded by the player reading and signing a consent form declaring they understand the test etc... Was this form presented to Willie in his native language?

This is a long shot but maybe he could claim diminished capacity, as in he didn't understand the written/verbal instructions? If English is not the main language on the Tiwi Islands as the language there is "Tiwi".

Tiwi language - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Anything is worth a try in his position.

 

[ConcreteWaters]

Prior to 2015, the standard penalty was 2 years. Since 2015 it is 4 years.

If the violation is proven, Willie will get 4 years unless:

I thought that might be the case. I'd read elsewhere you have to prove it wasn't intentional to get it reduced and if he's done it right in front of the tester, it's very deliberate.

 

[ziad]

Some of you guys are brutal on this drugs thing.

It's rampant out in there in general society. All professions, all walks of life. The younger you are the more are doing it.

There would be a fair portion of the journalists reporting this that are close friends with Uncle Charlie on a routine basis.

Brutal?? I wouldnt throw away half a million a year. Thats brutal.

 

[KO_KO]

I’m over this now he gets what he gets and we don’t get upset


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[Bacchus]

I thought that might be the case. I'd read elsewhere you have to prove it wasn't intentional to get it reduced and if he's done it right in front of the tester, it's very deliberate.

If Willie is not a PED user and he does not appear to be then to ban him for four years would be cruel and wrong and a travesty of justice. If their rules cannot produce a fair result then something needs to be and will be changed.
Destroying Willie's career when it was just beginning will be a trajedy that won't lie dead.

 

[ChrisKaias]

One other thing to add, while suspended (other than the two months before his ban ends), he can't really do anything (including train, work, coach, or even volunteer in any capacity) at the club, or at any other club in the AFL or in state or territory leagues, or even in any other sport subject to the WADA Code.

 

[TY24]

What more do you need to know?

He gave a sample which wasn't his piss and said sorry for his mistake.

Basically it's over...4 years goodbye thanks for coming

4 years... please.

He'll cop 12-18 months and be back. The 4 year suspension will be reserved for someone who methodically plans to mask the fact they're using PED's on gameday, not a young kid who had a toke during the week and panicked when he got called for a test.

 

[Goroyals22]

4 years... please.

He'll cop 12-18 months and be back. The 4 year suspension will be reserved for someone who methodically plans to mask the fact they're using PED's on gameday, not a young kid who had a toke during the week and panicked when he got called for a test.

He’s not a young kid hes 24 years of age ffs


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