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SloppyJoe said:
Seems incredible to me that if you are asked for a urine sample and you provide a sample of something which is clearly not urine, the tester says "good enough for me", and it then takes 3 weeks for a provisional suspension to be handed down.

What happens if you refuse to provide anything at all?
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It's all but been confirmed this is the process. Biggy posted a link to a 6PR interview. Lots of clarification re ASADA process.

Not sure what happens if you refuse to provide a sample but they would have a process that I suspect would be quicker because you don't have to wait for lab results.
 
Wedgetailed Westerner said:
I'm with you mate. I would hope to expect he will get six months at worst. Isn't deliberately avoiding a ban, the same as tampering (even as a joke)? So i'll be hoping for the same punishment that Lachie Whitfield got.
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That's the tragic thing. If the prevailing assumptions so far are correct, his motivations basically amount to what Whitfield did.

Tampering, as an 'action', partakes of degrees. If an athlete hatches a plan to put someone elses urine in the sample, by switching beakers, a fake penis, whatever, that seems to constitute a calculated and pernicious attempt to pervert the drug-testing process. That action in itself warrants a harsh penalty, but of course it would also be a safe bet that the use of PED's was motivating it.

If it turns out that Willie took illicit drugs (say, coke or weed), completely panicked and in a state of akrasia didn't conceive that the inevitable strike would be infinitely better than what he's doing, there's significantly less autonomy and maliciousness at play. They both qualify as "tampering", but like I said, degrees.

One would hope that the ASADA officials, in such a moment, intervene and say something like "buddy, think about what you're doing. If you proceed with this, you're looking at a four year ban, which is just as bad as a positive test. So rethink it and give us a proper sample". But apparently they don't (which I find it rather gross).

One would also hope that what I've said about degrees of tampering is taken into consideration. Particularly when you consider the player's background and character. Willie's humble demeanor has probably worked against him here. The testers show up for Buddy or Dusty, and I imagine they're probably thinking "**** it, I'll cop the strike, whatever". Willie may have been so acutely aware that he'd done something wrong that guilt and shame morphed into blind panic. And so you'd hope some understanding and compassion is exercised. But I doubt it will be.
 

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PaulSubetro said:
Media reports - so it's potentially incorrect.

Best case scenario is the second sample is clean or tests positive for weed. QC can then ask for leniency and change the case from "drug cheat" to "naive player who tried to cheat the system but is not a drug cheat".
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Latest article is suggesting it's most likely an illicit substance not a PED.
 
sedders said:
the 4 year max penalty is over the top considering what he is rumored to be covering up.

They should be punished for what they are suspected of, not the worst case doping abuse scenario
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Second sample should clear that up.

Yeah in the case it is say just weed, and he still covered it up, hope they'll go easy, but tampering is still taken extremely seriously.
 
PerthBoy86 said:
Second sample should clear that up.

Yeah in the case it is say just weed, and he still covered it up, hope they'll go easy, but tampering is still taken extremely seriously.
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There's a massive difference between;

A. Tampering and covering up PED
and
B. Tampering and covering up NPED

Massive difference. Three years I suspect.


Let's hope the rumours are true and there's no PED in that second sample. The guy on 6PR said it's irrelevant but I find that hard to believe. It would be irrelevant if they didn't have that second sample.
 
sedders said:
the 4 year max penalty is over the top considering what he is rumored to be covering up.

They should be punished for what they are suspected of, not the worst case doping abuse scenario
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Yeah, nah. If he hasn't supplied a proper sample that can be tested properly the whole system stands on being hit with the worst case scenario punishment.

A PED clean B sample is going to be a mitigating factor at best, he's still in serious strife for tampering and possibly a NPED positive pending his strike total. If the B sample is PED hot or also contaminated he is completely gonski and they will throw the book at him.
 

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PaulSubetro said:
There's a massive difference between;

A. Tampering and covering up PED
and
B. Tampering and covering up NPED

Massive difference. Three years I suspect.


Let's hope the rumours are true and there's no PED in that second sample. The guy on 6PR said it's irrelevant but I find that hard to believe. It would be irrelevant if they didn't have that second sample.
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I can understand why it would be irrelevant to a certain extent.

It needs to be a strict penalty to ensure tampering is not widely done (or athletes would risk it). The penalty for tampering almost needs to be the worst just to remove that entirely from the equation.

Key is education then. Perhaps an initial disclaimer to the athlete along the lines of 'please understand if you tamper with this in anyway you'll do more years than if you just piss in the cup, clear?'

Willie could've been baked at the time for all we know and was giggling to himself as he poured powerade into the cup right in front of the tester.
 
The wily weagle said:
I also think it's a bit of a weak effort by Rioli not making any kind of statement

Even if it was just "I am disappointed with the ASADA result but myself and the West coast legal team will go through due process and let things run their course. I hope this doesn't detract from the team tonight and I will be wishing them every success. That's all I have to say at this time"
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He'll make one soon

This is all still very recent and by all reports he's a "mess"

Also a strong chance he's been told to keep his lips sealed
 
The 4 years from what i have heard is the maximum penalty. Not a mandated tamper = 4 years.

Meaning we are waiting for the context and unless his actions are the worst possible case then 4 years should be avoidable?
 
Yeah listen to an ex American pro footballer . Or

David Powelson, M.D., formerly chief of psychiatry, Cowell Hospital, University of California, Berkeley, at one time advocated legalizing the use of marijuana. Later, after more evidence was available, he wrote: “I now believe that marijuana is the most dangerous drug we must contend with: 1. Its early use is beguiling. The user is given an illusion of feeling good; he cannot sense the deterioration of his mental and physiological processes. 2. Its continued use leads to delusional thinking. After one to three years of continuous use, the pathological forms of thinking begin to take over the thought process.”
 

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