Joe Daniher

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DaSawx said:
Is he really pick 1 material? Pretty early to say I guess.

But maybe we should ditch Hurbleton and save it for Gumbaniher?
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Still over a year from being draft age, plus how many kids under 16 would be his height? He probably has that sandilands effect going on. Having said that he can obviously mark and kick the ball and perform in big games too. At this stage he is a exciting prospect and I hope we get him, but he is still 4 years away from doing anything meaninful at AFL level.
 
I think he nominates a club (Essendon from what I read/hear) and then the bidding process goes on..

As far as the bidding process (I personally think it is flawed) goes:

1) 'Player X' nominates club.
2) Nominated club puts up price (potential draft pick [usually late round]).
3) Rival clubs try to 'out bid' nominated club.
4) If rival bids move to the first round, then 'player x' will go to nominated club as they cannot go any higher.

A case a couple of years ago (Western Bulldogs F/S prospect Ayce Cordy) was selected, St.Kilda (I think) said we will take him, the Bulldogs outbid them and said no we will use our first round pick, even though (i'm not sure if this is correct, may be wrong) the Bulldogs pick was higher, they still landed their man with their first round pick (pick # 14, i'm certain of this).

So their is high hopes of us landing Joe in all of this.. I think the main problem is avoiding him signing with GWS directly.. thus the Sheedy comments on Joe.
 

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HFF_07 said:
I think he nominates a club (Essendon from what I read/hear) and then the bidding process goes on..

As far as the bidding process (I personally think it is flawed) goes:

1) 'Player X' nominates club.
2) Nominated club puts up price (potential draft pick [usually late round]).
3) Rival clubs try to 'out bid' nominated club.
4) If rival bids move to the first round, then 'player x' will go to nominated club as they cannot go any higher.

A case a couple of years ago (Western Bulldogs F/S prospect Ayce Cordy) was selected, St.Kilda (I think) said we will take him, the Bulldogs outbid them and said no we will use our first round pick, even though (i'm not sure if this is correct, may be wrong) the Bulldogs pick was higher, they still landed their man with their first round pick (pick # 14, i'm certain of this).

So their is high hopes of us landing Joe in all of this.. I think the main problem is avoiding him signing with GWS directly.. thus the Sheedy comments on Joe.
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So how exactly is the system flawed? :confused::confused:
 
SirJimi05 said:
So how exactly is the system flawed? :confused::confused:
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A player is not rated highly in recruiting circles, yet 'club x' wants to pick them up, 'club y' can virtually force their hand by saying we will pick them up first and thus 'club x' (if they want them enough) say we will better that.

Over time, watch how many father son picks get drafted in the first round, purely by forced wreckoning.

That is how the system is flawed..

**NOTE: Recruited see enough of the kids to see who the good F/S kids are**
 
HFF_07 said:
A player is not rated highly in recruiting circles, yet 'club x' wants to pick them up, 'club y' can virtually force their hand by saying we will pick them up first and thus 'club x' (if they want them enough) say we will better that.

Over time, watch how many father son picks get drafted in the first round, purely by forced wreckoning.

That is how the system is flawed..

**NOTE: Recruited see enough of the kids to see who the good F/S kids are**
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I wrote a long winded reply but it was lost due to some sort of system upgrade so i will js say this. Your theory is so absurd it isn't even funny. Just think about what you are actually saying and then you will realise just how absurd it is. Cheers. :thumbsu:
 
SirJimi05 said:
I wrote a long winded reply but it was lost due to some sort of system upgrade so i will js say this. Your theory is so absurd it isn't even funny. Just think about what you are actually saying and then you will realise just how absurd it is. Cheers. :thumbsu:
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Is it?

The aforementioned player Ayce Cordy was rated as a second possible third round pick, The bulldogs were forced to take him with their first round pick.

I don't know.

I'm interested to hear "your long response"?
 
HFF_07 said:
A player is not rated highly in recruiting circles, yet 'club x' wants to pick them up, 'club y' can virtually force their hand by saying we will pick them up first and thus 'club x' (if they want them enough) say we will better that.

Over time, watch how many father son picks get drafted in the first round, purely by forced wreckoning.

That is how the system is flawed..

**NOTE: Recruited see enough of the kids to see who the good F/S kids are**
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if he's not worth what the rival club bids, and their bluff is called, they have to pick him.

It's not Russian Roulette. Clubs aren't taking stupid gambles.

The system is far better than that that allowed Geelong to grab Hawkins with a third round pick.

I am seriously going to say, if we don't get Joe Daniher, I am going to ****ing spew up
 
HFF_07 said:
I think he nominates a club (Essendon from what I read/hear) and then the bidding process goes on..

As far as the bidding process (I personally think it is flawed) goes:

1) 'Player X' nominates club.
2) Nominated club puts up price (potential draft pick [usually late round]).
3) Rival clubs try to 'out bid' nominated club.
4) If rival bids move to the first round, then 'player x' will go to nominated club as they cannot go any higher.

A case a couple of years ago (Western Bulldogs F/S prospect Ayce Cordy) was selected, St.Kilda (I think) said we will take him, the Bulldogs outbid them and said no we will use our first round pick, even though (i'm not sure if this is correct, may be wrong) the Bulldogs pick was higher, they still landed their man with their first round pick (pick # 14, i'm certain of this).

So their is high hopes of us landing Joe in all of this.. I think the main problem is avoiding him signing with GWS directly.. thus the Sheedy comments on Joe.
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Sorry that's completely wrong.

In most cases the club is pretty straight forward, such as Ayce Cordy, because Brian Cordy only played 100 games for Footscray. Anthony Daniher played 100 for both Essendon and Sydney so it's more complicated.

Once the player has agreed to go to the club in question, other clubs are able to bid on him.

In 2007, Darcy Daniher nominated Essendon over Sydney, and North bid pick 32 on him. We then had the option of either using our next pick (pick 39) on him or declining, which means North would be compelled to pick him.

In 2008 (IIRC), Jaxson Barham was nominated as a F/S pick by Collingwood, but no other club bid on him, so he was picked up at the very end of Collingwood's draft.

In 2008, St Kilda bid pick 13 on Ayce Cordy, so the Bulldogs were obliged to use pick 14 if they wanted him.

In 2012, assuming Daniher nominates Essendon, GWS will bid their first pick for him, and we'll use our first rounder to pick him up.
 
Ben the Gooner said:
Sorry that's completely wrong.

In most cases the club is pretty straight forward, such as Ayce Cordy, because Brian Cordy only played 100 games for Footscray. Anthony Daniher played 100 for both Essendon and Sydney so it's more complicated.

Once the player has agreed to go to the club in question, other clubs are able to bid on him.

In 2007, Darcy Daniher nominated Essendon over Sydney, and North bid pick 32 on him. We then had the option of either using our next pick (pick 39) on him or declining, which means North would be compelled to pick him.

In 2008 (IIRC), Jaxson Barham was nominated as a F/S pick by Collingwood, but no other club bid on him, so he was picked up at the very end of Collingwood's draft.

In 2008, St Kilda bid pick 13 on Ayce Cordy, so the Bulldogs were obliged to use pick 14 if they wanted him.

In 2012, assuming Daniher nominates Essendon, GWS will bid their first pick for him, and we'll use our first rounder to pick him up.
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Good to have you back BtG

It wouldnt matter, from all reports, we would be getting a bargain any ways with a player (long term) rated as a top 3 - 5 pick at pick what? 112 - 18.

I dont mind that deal at all..
 
Depends on where we finish. If we finish below any team that bids for him, we'd be able to use our second pick on him (assuming they use a first rounder on him).

Having said that, there's a fair chance that whoever finishes last will bid pick 1 for him.
 
Ben the Gooner said:
Depends on where we finish. If we finish below any team that bids for him, we'd be able to use our second pick on him (assuming they use a first rounder on him).

Having said that, there's a fair chance that whoever finishes last will bid pick 1 for him.
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Yeah, I agree..

I was just getting at the point that, a potential top 5 pick in our grasps at a lower pick than what he may be worth :D
 

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HFF_07 said:
Yeah, I agree..

I was just getting at the point that, a potential top 5 pick in our grasps at a lower pick than what he may be worth :D
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The system has ****ed us over so many times (imagine picking Selwood instead of Hislop) that we deserve a nice break like this.
 
ive always wondered with the f/s rule. What happens if we trade our first +2nd rounder in that draft. Can we pick him up with our 3rd rounder as that would be a first pick?

i would have thought that would be the best way to get most value.
 
rusman said:
ive always wondered with the f/s rule. What happens if we trade our first +2nd rounder in that draft. Can we pick him up with our 3rd rounder as that would be a first pick?

i would have thought that would be the best way to get most value.
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Good work Rusman

Throws a spanner into the works..

Maybe this year and the next couple of years is the perfect time to trade for that 'Gun midfielder'..

Especially if we have Joe signed, sealed and delivered perhaps?
 
rusman said:
ive always wondered with the f/s rule. What happens if we trade our first +2nd rounder in that draft. Can we pick him up with our 3rd rounder as that would be a first pick?

i would have thought that would be the best way to get most value.
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I have thought about this also. However, I think it comes down to the fact that the bidding process for the potential father-son recruit occurs prior to trade week. Thus, whilst I don't have any evidence of this, I believe the process would stipulate whichever club "wins" the process (either the highest bidder or the father's club) must not trade that pick.
 
HFF_07 said:
Is it?

The aforementioned player Ayce Cordy was rated as a second possible third round pick, The bulldogs were forced to take him with their first round pick.

I don't know.

I'm interested to hear "your long response"?
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Maybe on BigFooty mock drafts. In the real world he was rated as a first rounder hence StKilda nominating pick 13 for him. Do you really think that a club would potentially derail their whole draft just to try and screw over another club? It is a luicrous suggestion.

All of the picks under the new system have been close to the mark in terms of where the recruiters and experts rated them. This is a far cry from the old system where clubs could use their last picks on absolute guns. Would you prefer that system?

Joe Daniher is regarded as a top 5 pick (currently). We will have to use our first pick to get him. What is wrong with that? If he was no good, no club would nominate him just to spite us. Maybe we should have nominated our first pick for Jaxson Barham. That would have really showed Collingwood. ;)
 
SirJimi05 said:
Maybe on BigFooty mock drafts. In the real world he was rated as a first rounder hence StKilda nominating pick 13 for him. Do you really think that a club would potentially derail their whole draft just to try and screw over another club? It is a luicrous suggestion.

All of the picks under the new system have been close to the mark in terms of where the recruiters and experts rated them. This is a far cry from the old system where clubs could use their last picks on absolute guns. Would you prefer that system?

Joe Daniher is regarded as a top 5 pick (currently). We will have to use our first pick to get him. What is wrong with that? If he was no good, no club would nominate him just to spite us. Maybe we should have nominated our first pick for Jaxson Barham. That would have really showed Collingwood. ;)
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I wasnt completely sure on all the details, more all here say on my details :eek:

That is what I was getting at though, clubs 'bidding' on a player just to spite the other clubs..
 
rusman said:
ive always wondered with the f/s rule. What happens if we trade our first +2nd rounder in that draft. Can we pick him up with our 3rd rounder as that would be a first pick?

i would have thought that would be the best way to get most value.
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HFF_07 said:
Good work Rusman

Throws a spanner into the works..
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Sorry but that's impossible. All nominations are completed before trade week and any nominated picks cannot be traded. We will beparting with our 1st round pick for Daniher.
 
HFF_07 said:
I wasnt completely sure on all the details, more all here say on my details :eek:

That is what I was getting at though, clubs 'bidding' on a player just to spite the other clubs..
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It aint ever gonna happen, mate. Clubs aren't that unproffessional.
 

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