Toast John Butcher

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Bernie Nips said:
Just had the yips... It's his second game back from injury. Great positioning, great marking, great pack crashing, some slick handballs and excellent second efforts. His goalkicking was definitely a low point, but look at Travis Cloke. He'll get there.
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Travis Cloke is a good comparison as they seem to be similar players.
Butcher seems to be as good as Cloke was at his age.
 
he cant kick. might as well make him a chb. if you going to develop a key forward pick one with a good natural kicking style. guys like butcher will never be a reliable kick for goal and we cant afford to spray shots at goal. Its hard to change your kicking style. he could make it in other positions though
 
ploppy said:
he cant kick. might as well make him a chb. if you going to develop a key forward pick one with a good natural kicking style. guys like butcher will never be a reliable kick for goal and we cant afford to spray shots at goal. Its hard to change your kicking style. he could make it in other positions though
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Pretty sure we've had a key forward with questionable kicking before, and after a bit of work he didn't turn out too bad. Think his name was Warren.... ;)
 

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Tredrea always had a good kicking action and missed a few goals because he let the pressure affect him. Butchers action is awful its more comparble to ex crow nick gill...who was real shanker..
 
ok he cannot kick, lets draft another CHF keep westhoff and start again

Or teach him how to kick

But make him a left footer :p

i like option 2 but also wouldn't mind if we did do option did option one and got some young KPF insurance (Panos from WB?)
 
Butcher will be a good player and his kicking will improve.
He's a young fellow, for heaven's sake!
If you want superstars from the beginning, go back to sleep and dream of them - that's the only place you're gonna find 'em.
 
ploppy said:
he cant kick. might as well make him a chb. if you going to develop a key forward pick one with a good natural kicking style. guys like butcher will never be a reliable kick for goal and we cant afford to spray shots at goal. Its hard to change your kicking style. he could make it in other positions though
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no, you can say the same with travis cloke

pies persisted with travis cloke as a forward
and it has worked for them
 
ploppy said:
Tredrea always had a good kicking action and missed a few goals because he let the pressure affect him. Butchers action is awful its more comparble to ex crow nick gill...who was real shanker..
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Yeah, Tredders was an elite kick. If anything he should've employed a 'wheel-around' setshot not unlike Buddy Franklin to closer resemble his precision fieldkicking.

The conundrum of him looking so fluid and accurate on the run - with either foot to boot - compared to his almost straightjacketed head-on setshot was frustrating. A few steps to the left on that raking left peg and he'd be up there with Lockett for accuracy. Probably would've been too avant garde for 1996-8 under Jack when he was coming up.

As for Butcher, this is where we need to exercise our historical capital.

Scott Hodges come on down. An hour or two a week to work with him would be invaluable.
 

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TheSuper6of06 said:
no, you can say the same with travis cloke

pies persisted with travis cloke as a forward
and it has worked for them
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the pies persisted knowing that they were building a midfield and the rest of a forward line, so that whoever of their likely forwards looked like taking the opportunity would finally get some delivery and support around them.

Butcher, Redden, Schulz, Westhoff, even Stewart, let me see just two of them showing they want it often enough, and give us enough time to build around them, so that we don't destroy their confidence, or send them off in impatience to succeed elsewhere, and we'll be right up there with the frigging Clokes and Dawes of this world.
 
3.3 wasn't too bad, looked at his action again and again from a recording, he looks up too late, he should watch it on the boot the whole way

Comes from confidence, now convinced he is going to make
 
The problem with Butcher is his name lends itself to bad disposal...

Jokes aside I think we need to stop mentioning Tredrea in threads like these. When you can count on one hand better CHFs than him in the past 20 years you can see how rare a player like him really is so there is really no use comparing. If Butcher ends up 1/3 the player he will still be a gun. Hell if he ends up like Quentin Lynch or Cam Mooney and bags us a premiership as a CHF I won't complain with using pick 8 on him.
 
tribey said:
Yeah, Tredders was an elite kick. If anything he should've employed a 'wheel-around' setshot not unlike Buddy Franklin to closer resemble his precision fieldkicking.

The conundrum of him looking so fluid and accurate on the run - with either foot to boot - compared to his almost straightjacketed head-on setshot was frustrating. A few steps to the left on that raking left peg and he'd be up there with Lockett for accuracy. Probably would've been too avant garde for 1996-8 under Jack when he was coming up.

As for Butcher, this is where we need to exercise our historical capital.

Scott Hodges come on down. An hour or two a week to work with him would be invaluable.
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I can't really remember what was wrong with his set shot. His kicking action was perfection, but he still missed half the bloody time!

I suspect it was all down to ball drop?

We should get Butcher to watch tapes of Mark Williams in his better years at hawthorn, he had it down. Lecras goes alright too.
 
Wow, didn't rate Williams all that highly, but just checked, and he kicked 153.33 over his career. That's some gun accuracy.

Either way, with the forward press and mids/rucks spending more time in the forward line, Butcher's role as a power forward will more be taking a few good marks out of packs, and bringing the ball to ground for the mids and small forwards. If he manages to kick a bag every few weeks, even better.
 
after some early career jitters, from about '03 onwards Tredders set shot kicking was impecable. got noticeably better as his career went on, even with his knee struggles.
 
King_Tredrea said:
after some early career jitters, from about '03 onwards Tredders set shot kicking was impecable. got noticeably better as his career went on, even with his knee struggles.
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your absolutely right
i remember early in his career whenever he marked the ball inside the 50 i would get the whole "this could go anywhere" thought

towards the end i was confident he would kick the goal from anywhere within 55-60 metres

as for Butch.. whoever said to get Scotty Hodges in i totally agree with.
He was an awesome kick for goal from pretty much anywhere
 
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