Jolly to Collingwood done deal

[Watt a gun!]

Re: Darren Jolly is a Magpie.

I don't see why all collingwood supporters are bagging sydney supporters so much? I mean sure collingwood have secured a good deal for jolly, an undoubted elite tap ruckman. But he has his flaws, he is hardly young or agile and it is questionable whether he alone will move Collingwood anywhere near the likes of Geelong and St Kilda, especially after their dismal showing in this years prelim. (does anyone really think that it was ottens and blake that towelled collingwood up in the prelim?)

As for Sydney they lose yet another seasoned campaigner but they get a first round pick and a little extra (although third rounders aren't exactly gold) although this pick may be used to secure mumford..I wouldn't be surprised considering Sydney has back-to-back selections at 46 and 47 if one of them went to geelong in a bid for mumford.

In the end Collingwood strengthens their finals bid and sydney gets a desperately needed and well timed oppurtunity to add some youth to their ageing squad which will actually give longmire something to work with in a few years.

Well done swans!

 

[MF]

Re: Darren Jolly is a Magpie.

I don't see why all collingwood supporters are bagging sydney supporters so much? I mean sure collingwood have secured a good deal for jolly, an undoubted elite tap ruckman. But he has his flaws, he is hardly young or agile and it is questionable whether he alone will move Collingwood anywhere near the likes of Geelong and St Kilda, especially after their dismal showing in this years prelim. (does anyone really think that it was ottens and blake that towelled collingwood up in the prelim?)

As for Sydney they lose yet another seasoned campaigner but they get a first round pick and a little extra (although third rounders aren't exactly gold) although this pick may be used to secure mumford..I wouldn't be surprised considering Sydney has back-to-back selections at 46 and 47 if one of them went to geelong in a bid for mumford.

In the end Collingwood strengthens their finals bid and sydney gets a desperately needed and well timed oppurtunity to add some youth to their ageing squad which will actually give longmire something to work with in a few years.

Well done swans!

On face value the Jolly deal does seem like a slight loss for us but if getting it out of the way early means we finish trade week with Seaby, Mumford, Kennedy and 2 first round picks then we've done pretty well.

 

[Ron]

Re: Darren Jolly is a Magpie.

Good news for us. And thanks to Sydney as well for not dragging it out.

I like us trading with the Swans, we don't seem to bullshit each other and if a player wants to go to the respective club we help that player out.

They have given us Licuria, Rocca and now Jolly, we gave them Williams, Schuable, Davis and Shaw.

Hopefully we can continue our good trading relationship in future years.

 

[Sidebottom2Beams]

Re: Darren Jolly is a Magpie.

Now all Collingwood fans better hope like hell that Buckley encourages Malthouse to have a new high stoppage gameplan..............................that way Jolly can get plenty of taps in your games too!

I think we've done really well actually.

It won't be long before the Magpie supporters start giving Jolly a hard time for not doing enough to win games.
Their history is littered with the bagging of any ruckman that wears the black & white. Why would that stop with Jolly.

Oh yeah! He'll also be on 500K+ per year too as that was what we had to pay to get him to stay last time.

Yep! I think we've done REAL well out of both the Jolly trade & the Hall trade.

There ain't no guarantees that these 2 EX players will be a success at their new clubs. They have to both learn a whole new gameplan which will take plenty of time & they will both have to get to know the habits of their fellow players.
The first year will be one of much experimenting.
Have the supporters got the patience for that?
Will the respective clubs miss their p'ship window whilst both players are learning the gameplan?

Actually Collingwood have had a long line of great ruckman throught the years.From Thompson to Moore to Monkhurst in successive decades.Problem is since Monkey we have not had a decent ruckman.They have all actually failed pretty miserably.It has been roughly 12-14 years since we had a good ruckman unless you class Fraser mckee and Richards as success stories so yes they have copped it a bit.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Re: Darren Jolly is a Magpie.

I guess Paul Roos coming out and actually saying the trade is confirmed isn't official enough?

Until it's officially confirmed on the trade tracker, I'm not believing it.

Why would Sydney trade for such a poor return when they have all the leverage? (Jolly's contracted)

 

[stellation]

Quick question for Collingwood fans- as you all embrace Darren Jolly to the family will you look back on the behaviour towards Nick Davis after he left to go to Sydney and think "Perhaps we were a tad harsh"?

 

[handy point]

Not particularly.

Jolly seems to have been upfront and steadfast about his decision to relocate.

Exact opposite of Nick Davis circa 03

 

[stellation]

Not particularly.

Jolly seems to have been upfront and steadfast about his decision to relocate.

Exact opposite of Nick Davis circa 03

Not entirely. Both of them moved back home, and both had family reasons that were not entirely common knowledge.

 

[lazy]

Im OK with that.. Fits both teams.

MM is looking for a flag before Bucks takes over and knows he cant get one with Josh Fraser.

We need more youth. Better than giving us first round pick and a Collingwood hack. Would rather draft another youngster.


Jolly is on the slide anyway. Better that we get some value for him now rather than retiring him in a couple of years. We should have done the same for BHall when he had value.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Not entirely. Both of them moved back home, and both had family reasons that were not entirely common knowledge.

The difference is that Darren Jolly is a 27 year old man, who was traded to Sydney five years ago and offered great service to the club while there, including a premiership. He has a wife and child, and legitimate decisions to make about the future of his family that go far beyond football. This is also a good time for him to go, as he won't be at the top of his game by the time Sydney are next contending, and by trading him for a first round pick, Sydney will be able to greatly assist their rebuilding process.

Nick Davis, OTOH, was a father-son pick who agreed to come to Collingwood after his father had played for the club, but had constantly flown back to Sydney in a panic about "the pressure", before leaving us at the end of 2002, right after a Grand Final that we came within an inch of winning, at the age of 23, to go be with his mum in Sydney. He also made it quite clear, after intimating that he would re-sign all season, that if we didn't trade him to Sydney, and he didn't make it there in the PSD, then he would retire from football altogether and move back home, making it extremely difficult to get something of decent value to him.

There's a fair difference between the two.

 

[Vixen]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/blogarticle/tabid/8123/newsid/85842/default.aspx

WHILE Carlton and the Brisbane Lions settle Brendan Fevola's move north, a number of ruckmen – including Darren Jolly, Josh Fraser and Shane Mumford – are caught in trade discussions.

The Herald Sun reports that Collingwood has landed Sydney Swans ruckman Jolly, 27, in exchange for draft picks No.14 and No.46.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/blogarticle/tabid/8123/newsid/85842/default.aspx

 

[MF]

Not entirely. Both of them moved back home, and both had family reasons that were not entirely common knowledge.

I realise that there's only 1 team in Sydney so it's hard to compare but Jolly demanded a trade specifically to Collingwood and that's after sticking his hand out for big $$$ only a year or so ago. Nick Davis just wanted to go home.

 

[spuzzlord]

httpHowever, The Age reports that for the Swans to release Jolly – their first-choice ruckman, who has requested a trade to a Melbourne-based club – they will first need to secure Geelong big man Shane Mumford.

Has there been any word on whether mumford has actually agreed to come to sydney? wouldnt be a good result for anyone if he refuses

 

[Zahki]

Has there been any word on whether mumford has actually agreed to come to sydney? wouldnt be a good result for anyone if he refuses

If Sydney are really willing to pay him $900,000 over 3 years then I suspect he'll move anywhere you damn well tell him to. Rosaid on SEN last night that Mumford had already agreed so you'd think the only thing left to do is find something Geelong want.

 

[collingwill]

Jolly is worth 2 first rounders.

****, bend over sydney.

****KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

a 28 yr old ruckman worth 2 1st rounders ? please....

it was a fair deal IMO and roo"s knew it.

 

[Vixen]

i knew there was something suss about this jolly thing.

 

[CaptainChardonnay]

Shafted I reckon... But let's wait and see what happens. Should of held out for Kennedy and McGlynn from the Hawks.

 

[DaVe86]

awesome stuff Collingwood if true!!!

Pick 14 and 46 is a fair price considering the Swans are looking to build up in this draft...the last chance they have in a while you would think.


I think we win in the deal. Jolly is just what we need. But Swans have the chance to get a good kid at pick 14. The first round is still strong enough, so the Swans should get a decent player. Swans have a lot of picks now.


But I couldn't be happier from a Collingwood perspective.

Now for Ball.

 

[The King!]

Re: Darren Jolly is a Magpie.

not a bad deal, we need to use picks well. If we develop currie into the player he is meant to be capable of being and get mumford then we will be fine. May as well trade jolly while worth something instead of him leaving in two years possible for a lot less or nothing.

he gave us good service good luck to him

 

[jswan]

Re: Darren Jolly is a Magpie.

Good news for us. And thanks to Sydney as well for not dragging it out.

I like us trading with the Swans, we don't seem to bullshit each other and if a player wants to go to the respective club we help that player out.

They have given us Licuria, Rocca and now Jolly, we gave them Williams, Schuable, Davis and Shaw.

Hopefully we can continue our good trading relationship in future years.

You forgot Scott Russell.

 

[jswan]

Re: Darren Jolly is a Magpie.

I don't see why all collingwood supporters are bagging sydney supporters so much? I mean sure collingwood have secured a good deal for jolly, an undoubted elite tap ruckman. But he has his flaws, he is hardly young or agile and it is questionable whether he alone will move Collingwood anywhere near the likes of Geelong and St Kilda, especially after their dismal showing in this years prelim. (does anyone really think that it was ottens and blake that towelled collingwood up in the prelim?)

As for Sydney they lose yet another seasoned campaigner but they get a first round pick and a little extra (although third rounders aren't exactly gold) although this pick may be used to secure mumford..I wouldn't be surprised considering Sydney has back-to-back selections at 46 and 47 if one of them went to geelong in a bid for mumford.

In the end Collingwood strengthens their finals bid and sydney gets a desperately needed and well timed oppurtunity to add some youth to their ageing squad which will actually give longmire something to work with in a few years.

Well done swans!

No direspect to you, and what I am about to type goes out to all people in the football world. I think now with Hall, O'Loughlin, L. Barry, Crouch, Jolly, Kennelly and Fosdike all gone, and with players like Grundy, Jack, Haanebury, White, Smith, Meredith, Johnstone etc etc all going to be regular players in the starting 22, we can drop the 'ageing squad/list' tag that has been associated to the swans for a number of seasons now.

 

[Two Eyes]

Re: Darren Jolly is a Magpie.

Sydney are the most awesome trading club going around. I think the pies got Jolly at pretty cheap price BUT look at Sydney. They lose Jolly but get a mature ruckman in Seaby and very exciting young prospect in Mumford (who will be a 10 year plus ruckman for them). This deal would not have been done if the swans hadn't gotten Mumford. The combined cost of the two is probabaly less than the picks 14 and 46 the pies gave them.

Hats off to Sydney.

 

[Elroy67]

Re: Darren Jolly is a Magpie.

No direspect to you, and what I am about to type goes out to all people in the football world. I think now with Hall, O'Loughlin, L. Barry, Crouch, Jolly, Kennelly and Fosdike all gone, and with players like Grundy, Jack, Haanebury, White, Smith, Meredith, Johnstone etc etc all going to be regular players in the starting 22, we can drop the 'ageing squad/list' tag that has been associated to the swans for a number of seasons now.

Hear, Hear.

Currently we have 1 player over 30 and only 5 players with more than 150 games.

 

[MAGP1ES]

I'm happy with this deal. Well done Pies.

 

[.Shotties.]

There's a fair difference between the two.

Jolly was a contracted player on a fair bit of coin who'd bought this sook up before, re-signed, then decided he wanted to go home. But not just home, he only wanted to go to Collingwood. Right in his prime after a personal best year when he was structurally the most important member of our team.

There isn't that much difference between the two.