Traded Jordan Clark and F4 traded to Fremantle for #22 and F3 (Carl)

[CatToTheFuture]

Will either turn out to be better than Cerra or a total bust.

What if Cerra turns into a bust?

 

[Freoboy in Melbs]

No idea he doesn’t deserve it, has done nothing for the last couple of years, please keep him.
A 4 year deal is ridiculous for someone who has done nothing.

Promise him whatever it takes, there is no way anyone can be confident he’ll actually
do anything, so anything over 2 years is foolhardy.

I agree with this sentiment regarding worth and 'doing anything'. However I don't think we're going to lure anyone under contract away for much less. Do we pass? I'd stick my neck out for three years and hope he grows into the player we all hope he can be. Has the potenital to be a near enough swap for Cerra if he gets his game face on. But oh, those "ifs".

 

[Sully90]

Alot of assumptions being thrown around about this 4 year offer. It could be on low money for all we know.

 

[DragoDelph]

Alot of assumptions being thrown around about this 4 year offer. It could be on low money for all we know.

Could also be 2 or 3, with triggers for a fourth.
Will be heavily weighted on games played you would think. He needs to get on the park before anything else.

 

[catman2006]

Alot of assumptions being thrown around about this 4 year offer. It could be on low money for all we know.

your not moving for absolute peanuts but somewhere around 250k- 300k

 

[Moist Biscuit]

your not moving for absolute peanuts but somewhere around 250k- 300k

So Cashews?

 

[catman2006]

So Cashews?

yeah around that not quite almonds or Hazelnuts

 

[freo99]

I agree with this sentiment regarding worth and 'doing anything'. However I don't think we're going to lure anyone under contract away for much less. Do we pass? I'd stick my neck out for three years and hope he grows into the player we all hope he can be. Has the potenital to be a near enough swap for Cerra if he gets his game face on. But oh, those "ifs".

He will never be in the same league as Cerra, in his first year he was good in the air and has a turn of speed
but that’s where it ends.

AC is an elite kick a very good contested player, 2 areas where Clark completely falls down.

Clark is non existent in the area of contested ball and a poor kick.
As well he has missed out on 3 years of development at the senior level, he may go
on to hold a place in the best 22, but Cerra is top 3 from his draft.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Pick 25 plus a 7 spot upgrade to your existing second round pick... for Clark, I'd certainly be happy with that as a Cats fan

That's less than what Caldwell went for who was out of contact and had shown less than Clark. It doesn't make sense for Freo to offer a 4 year deal to a contracted player and not offer a decent trade.

Nobody's saying he's worth a top level pick but a pick in the early 20s seems reasonable in what isn't rated as a good draft. So pick 25 and a slight upgrade isn't far from the mark. He is contracted so there's nothing forcing Geelong to play ball.

 

[Quokka]

That's less than what Caldwell went for who was out of contact and had shown less than Clark. It doesn't make sense for Freo to offer a 4 year deal to a contracted player and not offer a decent trade.

Nobody's saying he's worth a top level pick but a pick in the early 20s seems reasonable in what isn't rated as a good draft. So pick 25 and a slight upgrade isn't far from the mark. He is contracted so there's nothing forcing Geelong to play ball.

I'm happy with the 25 I just disagree that 34 to 27 is a slight upgrade.

 

[Vivy]

Have we heard anything from Fremantle, or a journalist who has good mail from them?

Articles from Jay Clark in the HS say Geelong are willing to part with him for late 1st/early 2nd round value. Interested to see if there is pushback on that idea from Freo itself.

4 yr contract on the table. If Geelong really want to keep him, he'll be demanding an extension.

Geelong will let him leave if they can't convince him to stay in the next couple of days - it'll just cost Freo more than what he's objectively worth because he's in contract

 

[Shadow89]

I'm happy with the 25 I just disagree that 34 to 27 is a slight upgrade.

Mate you know I love ya as one of my fantasy peeps, but a 7 spot upgrade in a crapshoot of a draft, to pry a player out who you've offered a reported 4 year deal to, isn't really that unreasonable. It's very similar to the Caldwell deal, but Clark is actually still in contract and you're chasing him pretty hard.

25 or 27 alone if he was out of contract, would be more than fair. You pay the slight extra so you can convince us it's worth breaking that contract.

Pretty standard

 

[Vivy]

Mate you know I love ya as one of my fantasy peeps, but a 7 spot upgrade in a crapshoot of a draft, to pry a player out who you've offered a reported 4 year deal to, isn't really that unreasonable. It's very similar to the Caldwell deal, but Clark is actually still in contract and you're chasing him pretty hard.

25 or 27 alone if he was out of contract, would be more than fair. You pay the slight extra so you can convince us it's worth breaking that contract.

Pretty standard

I think if he was OOC we wouldn't have a leg to stand on and he'd be gone for a future 3rd or 4th.

But he is in contract so it's a useless hypothetical lol. My post is useless now that I think about it

 

[Quokka]

Mate you know I love ya as one of my fantasy peeps, but a 7 spot upgrade in a crapshoot of a draft, to pry a player out who you've offered a reported 4 year deal to, isn't really that unreasonable. It's very similar to the Caldwell deal, but Clark is actually still in contract and you're chasing him pretty hard.

25 or 27 alone if he was out of contract, would be more than fair. You pay the slight extra so you can convince us it's worth breaking that contract.

Pretty standard

Yeah no offence we're all just chatting to fill in the time and I don't expect any of us will be getting consulted on the final deal...buuuut... Imo 34 to 27 is bugger all points wise but for the difference it might make for the player you can get, especially as Freo seem to have a few pencilled in at that range, I just won't be surprised if Freo go away and change 25 or 27 into a 20-22 (if needed) rather than getting stuck with 34.

 

[raffrox]

Yeah no offence we're all just chatting to fill in the time and I don't expect any of us will be getting consulted on the final deal...buuuut... Imo 34 to 27 is bugger all points wise but for the difference it might make for the player you can get, especially as Freo seem to have a few pencilled in at that range, I just won't be surprised if Freo go away and change 25 or 27 into a 20-22 (if needed) rather than getting stuck with 34.

Yeah I see that as being much more likely.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I'm happy with the 25 I just disagree that 34 to 27 is a slight upgrade.

In this draft there isnt much difference between 27 and 34 imo.

 

[masai]

Clarks value is a hard one to gauge but Geelong are in the box seat to play hardball with this one due to contract. Clarks best option may be to play the year out and reassess in 12 months. Will be easier to move then and his value will be clearer. As rough guess though id say this year a fair deal would be Clark for a pick around 30.

I acknowledge that I know b all about judging pick value for a traded player, but I’m confused with you saying around 30 for Clark.

If Cerra is worth around 6 ( consensus view ), to me 30 still feels a bit much. In this equation we have a quality midfielder producing weekly, whilst the other can’t break into his team. At present Clark is at least 3rd round.

Having discussed that, I can see Clark staying to play out his contract. A contract is a contract.

 

[Bjchan13]

I acknowledge that I know b all about judging pick value for a traded player, but I’m confused with you saying around 30 for Clark.

If Cerra is worth around 6 ( consensus view ), to me 30 still feels a bit much. In this equation we have a quality midfielder producing weekly, whilst the other can’t break into his team. At present Clark is at least 3rd round.

Having discussed that, I can see Clark staying to play out his contract. A contract is a contract.

Hard to judge as he had a quality 1st year but hasn't matched that in year 2 and 3. Injured year 2 i think. Year 3, 10+ games in a team that finished top 4. There is the whole Scarlett thing as well which asks questions. Being contracted as well gives Geelong a bit of an upper hand. Pick 30 this year seems like middle ground to me but thats just 1 persons opinion. If he sees the year out I think value will be clearer.

 

[Jeff76]

I acknowledge that I know b all about judging pick value for a traded player, but I’m confused with you saying around 30 for Clark.

If Cerra is worth around 6 ( consensus view ), to me 30 still feels a bit much. In this equation we have a quality midfielder producing weekly, whilst the other can’t break into his team. At present Clark is at least 3rd round.

Having discussed that, I can see Clark staying to play out his contract. A contract is a contract.

There’s a bit of a difference between playing weekly in a bottom 8 team compared to not getting a game in a Top 3 team. Clark will be a walk up start at Freo.

 

[Biscut]

I acknowledge that I know b all about judging pick value for a traded player, but I’m confused with you saying around 30 for Clark.

If Cerra is worth around 6 ( consensus view ), to me 30 still feels a bit much. In this equation we have a quality midfielder producing weekly, whilst the other can’t break into his team. At present Clark is at least 3rd round.

Having discussed that, I can see Clark staying to play out his contract. A contract is a contract.

pick 6 will more than likely get you a future gun, pick 30 is speculativ. That is the difference between the picks and the gap is as wide as the Grand Canyon.

 

[mightymouse75]

The boy doesn't fit our needs. We have a defence..keep the pick & go to the draft

 

[Art Vandelay_]

The boy doesn't fit our needs. We have a defence..keep the pick & go to the draft

Do you?

Ranked 12th in 2021 for average points conceded.

 

[WaywardSonSon]

Do you?

Ranked 12th in 2021 for average points conceded.

While we're talking about numbers, how does 6-13 sound? Oh dear...

 

[Quokka]

Do you?

Ranked 12th in 2021 for average points conceded.

The argument would be if we could keep them fit we have a defence - Ryan, Young, Chapman, Logue, Cox, Hamling, Pearce, Hughs, Wilson, Walker, Thomas.

Whatever the problems with a defence made up of something close to our first choice of those we have more holes and a bigger drop off in our midfield and forward lines.

 

[Freoboy in Melbs]

The argument would be if we could keep them fit we have a defence - Ryan, Young, Chapman, Logue, Cox, Hamling, Pearce, Hughs, Wilson, Walker, Thomas.

Whatever the problems with a defence made up of something close to our first choice of those we have more holes and a bigger drop off in our midfield and forward lines.

100% agree. I think we're viewing JC as a winger for 'outside run', and we're possibly placing too much store in the idea of a 'Cerra replacement'. Though from my understanding, he could be just another running defender that adds to a list of player types we have no shortage of. I hope Freo walk away if Geelong play hard ball. Geelong could be happy to keep him this year (though I get the feeling they want to offload him while he has some worth), and if so, we could always pick him up next year for nix if both Freo and JC are still into it.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

Brad Hill was a triple premiership player and went for pick 23 and was older, if you think Clark is anything close to that, rocks in head