Traded Jordan Clark and F4 traded to Fremantle for #22 and F3 (Carl)

[CatToTheFuture]

Will either turn out to be better than Cerra or a total bust.

What if Cerra turns into a bust?

 

[WaywardSonSon]

Yes but we don't like the number 27 so....

It's a terrible number.......Jimi, Janis, Jim, Kurt...

 

[The 747]

It's a terrible number.......Jimi, Janis, Jim, Kurt...

Exactly, so Freo need to find a different number to offer

 

[apuchar]

29

 

[Shadow89]

Brad Hill was a triple premiership player and went for pick 23 and was older, if you think Clark is anything close to that, rocks in head

Actually, Freo think he's worth close to that, so it's you who appears to have rocks in their head, lol. Both Freo and Geelong - supporters and management alike - have agreed that 27 is the base point where most can agree (high vs low) that he'll be traded for. It won't be lower than that, and it might be slightly higher than that, if Geelong and Freo reach an agreement that suits both parties. Either way, he won't be traded for any less than Pick 27. That's fact, and trumps your opinion.

Btw, as an example of trades vs player worth, here's just a few in recent memory:


- Brandon Ellis was a dual premiership player at the Tigers - got them compo of Pick 39

- Mitch McGovern, a nothing player at the Crows - got the Crows Pick 13

- Lachie Weller, a Best 22 player but certainly not worth close to what he was traded for (initially Weller and GC both thought an end of first was fair) - got Freo Pick 2

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History is littered with trades that don't match up, based on what the outgoing team wants, and what the incoming team is willing to pay. Saints got Brad Crouch for compo of Pick 23, but originally thought he would net them Pick 2.

The list goes on and on, and using your assessment on things, as opposed to what fans, both clubs and their management and media reports are saying, is a little self-indulgent - given the facts of the matter contradict your assessment of Clark's worth, personally.

He'll go for Pick 27 or higher, dependant on what Freo wants to offer or what Geelong wants to return. Whatever the middle ground is, they'll reach it if Clark wants a trade - as Freo have offered him 4 years and have been chasing him for the last 2. The sooner you come to terms with that, the sooner you can stop offering your opinions as fact, and creating unnecessary tension in a thread that's been largely cordial until you started bringing your Hawthorn/Geelong rivalry mindset in here.

 

[Wally Walpamur]

IMO this is easy; he is either traded for pick 27 or he's in Geelong next year. I can't see either club taking a backwards step.

Geelong will back themselves in to turn his head again and eventually sign an extension.

 

[Freoboy in Melbs]

I've just never seen any hard evidence that Geelong ever valued Clark beyond his first year, or had any intention of developing him. It's all well and good to draw comparisons with similarish to not-similarish players, but I don't know where or when it was that Geelong were ever going to back that player in at the Cattery from my research. Can anyone refute this? Evidence?

I've even heard Gary Lyon and Tim Watson on some podcast talk about Scarlett and someone else at the Cats being on the same page about Clark, and not being "a good fit" at the Cattery with a knock on his 'hardness'. They could quite possibly be right in their assessment. How would any of us know?

But regardless of debate, he clealry hasn't been valued at the Cattery, was a fringe player, out of favour, and considered not a 'good fit' (according to Lyon & Watsons reporting) and now all of a sudden he's worth a first or high second round pick because he's a really important player to the Cats? Pull the other one.

Stick with 27 Freo. And that's possibly overs by the sound of things. I don't think the Cats want him that much. If they demand more, let him stay. So be it.

 

[Joose]

Exactly, so Freo need to find a different number to offer

42 is a good number. It is the answer to all of life's mysteries.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

IMO this is easy; he is either traded for pick 27 or he's in Geelong next year. I can't see either club taking a backwards step.

Geelong will back themselves in to turn his head again and eventually sign an extension.

I would say probablility is like more 70 %no trade and your last sentence comes into play 29 % freo come up with a teens pick and trade is done 1 % geelong trade clark for 27 alone.

But broadly i agree with you no trade is good odds at this point.

 

[The 747]

I've just never seen any hard evidence that Geelong ever valued Clark beyond his first year, or had any intention of developing him. It's all well and good to draw comparisons with similarish to not-similarish players, but I don't know where or when it was that Geelong were ever going to back that player in at the Cattery from my research. Can anyone refute this? Evidence?

FFS get a grip on yourself and your one handed "research". Yes we drafted him in the first round and gave him a contract extension so we could purposefully not develop him. Probably #VICBIAS.

What happened in reality is that he played a lot in his first year then suffered a series of injuries which set him back, at the same time COVID happened so he had limited VFL games to find his form.

 

[Freoboy in Melbs]

FFS get a grip on yourself and your one handed "research". Yes we drafted him in the first round and gave him a contract extension so we could purposefully not develop him. Probably #VICBIAS.

What happened in reality is that he played a lot in his first year then suffered a series of injuries which set him back, at the same time COVID happened so he had limited VFL games to find his form.

Thanks for your balanced, grounded and respectful insights.

 

[Freomaniac]

So Freo offering huge 4 year deals for damaged goods who can’t get games. Sounds like Freo being Freo.

Interesting we are offering him a 4 year deal. If he doesnt get it this year, He might get it next season.

So much posturing by supporters. Love it.

I’d imagine a deal would be close to done otherwise comments by media wouldn’t be made.

Worth around 20. Clubs will find a way to get it to around that price. Might mean 27 and other shuffles. Might mean wait until end of trade period to see what currency clubs have.

All this flopping your knob out comments like ‘you can wait until next year then’ over someone who’s been on the outer is laughable.

That would be like Freo taking a stance on Crowden.

He’s not best 22. In part because he’s not good enough, but also because he doesn’t have his pension card yet.

Tough Man Tony Abbott tactics on the Trade Table.

Damaged goods who cant get a game?

More like the coach is crazy and refuses to play, support or develop anyone under 21yo.

sounds like a Ross Lyon youf plan to me. lol

those 30 years olds seem to run the game out well against Freo.

I am sure they can in 2022, 2023 and 2024.

Cats will keep him then pretty simple.

And so you should as he is contracted for another season.

Value set by the club apparently.

Courtesy Herald Sun:

so a bloke that has played pick 27.... Yet he played only 32 games from 2019-2021.

I could justify handing your mob Pick 27 for Nathan Kreuger as he fills a need for freo in getting another tall forward. And yes I rate him as he is from my SANFL club South Adelaide. And yes I have seen him play.

 

[Lore]

Try and keep it civilised in here please. If you feel the need to abuse someone for having an opinion on the internet then it might be time to log off.

 

[masai]

42 is a good number. It is the answer to all of life's mysteries.

Slartibartfast to you.

 

[foxdog50]

I think our second round pick will get it done eventually.

I agree personally to.. I think it will be the pick 27 as well, but if you get the pick 25 from Carlton then that might happen…
We’re only human…. Freo wants the best for there club, and Cats wants the best for there club…
A DEAL WILL 90% likely get done

 

[carlton_99]

Why would Freo trade a pick in the 20s for Clark? He has been in and out of the team for a while and has never cemented a spot under Scott. Think he will be a very good player given the opportunity but don't see how Cats can get a 2nd rounder for him. Think he's more in the ~40 region given his lack of game time

 

[DragoDelph]

Why would Freo trade a pick in the 20s for Clark? He has been in and out of the team for a while and has never cemented a spot under Scott. Think he will be a very good player given the opportunity but don't see how Cats can get a 2nd rounder for him. Think he's more in the ~40 region given his lack of game time

He’s contracted. So we hand over the mid 20s pick and move on.
Keep It simple

 

[BigCat1]

After 3 season Micheal Tuck was a “fringe player” Jimmy Bartel was a “fringe player” Paul Chapman

Paul Chapman

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42

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179cm

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87kg

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Fwd

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Last 5

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19.7

5star

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12.8

5star

HB

6.9

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

3.5

5star

G

1.3

5star

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D

6.6

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

2.6

3star

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1.0

1star

T

1.8

4star

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0.2

3star

“fringe player” Hawkins “fringe player”

If gifting kids games was the answer then there would be some unnamed clubs that would be choc full of champions.

Not saying Clark will be a champion but this ludicrous notion that value is only attributed to games played under the age of 21 is laughable. There are a myriad of reason why things happen.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

After 3 season Micheal Tuck was a “fringe player” Jimmy Bartel was a “fringe player” Paul Chapman “fringe player” Hawkins “fringe player”

If gifting kids games was the answer then there would be some unnamed clubs that would be choc full of champions.

Not saying Clark will be a champion but this ludicrous notion that value is only attributed to games played under the age of 21 is laughable. There are a myriad of reason why things happen.

Didn't Dipper play something like 90+ reserves games before making the senior team?

 

[Taylor]

After 3 season Micheal Tuck was a “fringe player” Jimmy Bartel was a “fringe player” Paul Chapman “fringe player” Hawkins “fringe player”

If gifting kids games was the answer then there would be some unnamed clubs that would be choc full of champions.

Not saying Clark will be a champion but this ludicrous notion that value is only attributed to games played under the age of 21 is laughable. There are a myriad of reason why things happen.

Jimmy Bartel played as many games in his first season, equal lowest games count in his career if we include 2015, than Clark has played in the last two years. If we distort the stats a bit more, Jordan Clark averages less games per year than Jimmy Bartel has played in his lowest ever season total of games.

Paul Chapman, absolutely fair comparison.

This is all a stat distortion post, I agree with you that young players should be earning their spot - but the inability to earn a spot means they aren't good enough at the level, which means they aren't worth much in a trade because for every player who went on to be a champion of the game there are the rest of the group who are delisted without a yelp. A lot of talent loses it's way with less than stellar effort levels.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

but the inability to earn a spot means they aren't good enough at the level,

No it doesn't. Not all squads are created equal.
He'd be a starter at 12-14 clubs.

Just that we're better than most, and don't tank the list so that youth get thrown in.

 

[Taylor]

No it doesn't. Not all squads are created equal.
He'd be a starter at 12-14 clubs.

Just that we're better than most, and don't tank the list so that youth get thrown in.

Geelong acquire new, older, talent to jump ahead of their young "not good enough" talent for a spot in the team.

 

[WaywardSonSon]

No it doesn't. Not all squads are created equal.
He'd be a starter at 12-14 clubs.

Just that we're better than most, and don't tank the list so that youth get thrown in.

You're currently playing an over-the-hill Isaac Smith on the wing and Tom Atkins, who, by the way, averages 13.63 disposals at half-back. This is some very stiff competition for poor little Jordan!

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Geelong acquire new, older, talent to jump ahead of their young "not good enough" talent for a spot in the team.

No we didn't.

Drafted in 2018 as defender. Since then not 1 defender has lobbed on the list from another club, the players keeping him out were the same group that were here we he joined.

 

[calder_daddy]

You're currently playing an over-the-hill Isaac Smith on the wing and Tom Atkins, who, by the way, averages 13.63 disposals at half-back. This is some very stiff competition for poor little Jordan!

You don’t watch many Geelong games do you?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

You're currently playing an over-the-hill Isaac Smith on the wing and Tom Atkins, who, by the way, averages 13.63 disposals at half-back. This is some very stiff competition for poor little Jordan!

Why is every remark from you short of understanding of the topic? Quoting Atkins disposals thinking that's somehow relevant. Maybe if you valued defensive capability over touches your defence might be better than 12th for conceding scores. As for Smith, had a better year than most on your list.

You're the one's throwing 4 years at the guy. Not us.
No shame not being best 22 for a top 4 side. They're hard to get into.