Traded Jordan Clark and F4 traded to Fremantle for #22 and F3 (Carl)

[CatToTheFuture]

Will either turn out to be better than Cerra or a total bust.

What if Cerra turns into a bust?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

weird that this thread is up to page 68 and no Freo supporters seem to rate Clark all that much, what were the last 67 pages even about?

I mean most are ‘comfortable’ with pick 27. Is that not about his value? Hard to value a guy when we’ve seen him play at most 11 games in two years

 

[raffrox]

hahah - fat lot of good that did you. Duh you should have started talks long before the start of season 2021. Sure dont need to announce it if he signs.

Dockers gambled and lost - such is life.

It seems as though us nasty Dockers supporters have hurt your feeling in the last few weeks. You've been nothing but a spiteful sniper ever since.

 

[WaywardSonSon]

The escalation in here is reaching Krakatoa levels...and I love it!

 

[MotlopMagic]

Pick 27 is about right for Clark. We’ll probably get a meaningless upgrade due to him being contracted. Having said that, I would MUCH prefer to keep him if given the choice.


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[Glek]

Instead of just talking the talk, Freo literally put our money where our mouth is - can't do more than that. As a 21 year member of Freo I am not critical of the club on this occasion - I have certainly been critical on multiple other occasions. You have spewed such pearls of wisdom over the last couple of days about how our club should act. Can I respectfully suggest you instead bask in your premiership glory - it has been over 50 years in the making.

Back to Clark, I think we are trading on potential - that carries risk and our trade price should reflect this. If Geelong aren't satisfied with the offer, they should rightfully hold Clark to his contract.

Fair call.

Back to Clark 100% agree. Except I think you are getting the best replacement you can for your list - over going to that gamble we call the draft.

Note I did not say like for like replacement.

 

[Glek]

Pick 27 is about right for Clark. We’ll probably get a meaningless upgrade due to him being contracted. Having said that, I would MUCH prefer to keep him if given the choice.


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Plus 25 & 27 for Clark & 32 .... lets you move up the order much easier than holding Clark & 32. Have a feeling you could see a few clubs wanting to split top 20 picks for a reasonable rate this year. You guys would be perfectly positioned to do so.

 

[MotlopMagic]

Plus 25 & 27 for Clark & 32 .... lets you move up the order much easier than holding Clark & 32. Have a feeling you could see a few clubs wanting to split top 20 picks for a reasonable rate this year. You guys would be perfectly positioned to do so.

I’d rather that than say pick 27 and a swap of R3 and R4 picks next year. I can’t stress enough how much I’d prefer to keep Clark though. I know he’s been injured and only played 32 games but I rate him as the most talented youngster on our list. Admittedly that’s partly because of our list profile but he is extremely talented.


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[Parasite]

My suggestion watch what Hawthorn did, watch what Richmond did. Take what they did and just do it a tad better.

What tweaks to our list management would you make Suma?

 

[Glek]

I’d rather that than say pick 27 and a swap of R3 and R4 picks next year. I can’t stress enough how much I’d prefer to keep Clark though. I know he’s been injured and only played 32 games but I rate him as the most talented youngster on our list. Admittedly that’s partly because of our list profile but he is extremely talented.
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Yeah obviously your Club also value him - he is contracted. Much to the displeasure of some Freo supporters FREO also must value him to offer a 4 year deal.

You could get Lobb? He is contracted wants out and allegedly would take less money to get out of Freo. But he is contracted so unless Freo want to salary dump probably have to come up with a good deal in their favor. IMHO Lobb would be picks and salary might be a trade off. The higher the pick you pay might want Freo to carry some of the Salary.

 

[Wojcinski]

Yeah obviously your Club also value him - he is contracted. Much to the displeasure of some Freo supporters FREO also must value him to offer a 4 year deal.

You could get Lobb? He is contracted wants out and allegedly would take less money to get out of Freo. But he is contracted so unless Freo want to salary dump probably have to come up with a good deal in their favor. IMHO Lobb would be picks and salary might be a trade off. The higher the pick you pay might want Freo to carry some of the Salary.

Luckily I'm not a list manager because you couldn't pay me to take Lobb for free, let alone pay draft capital for him

 

[strauchnyy]

So much chest beating. Hilarious

Everyone just needs to relax. It’s quite simple at the end of the day.

25 + 27 for Clark + 34 is pretty much the most equitable deal for a contracted youngster whose shown promise on the fringe in a perennial top 4 team.

If freo offer 27 and ****all else, Geelong keep him. Simple. Freo try again next year.

We all move on

 

[WaywardSonSon]

So much chest beating. Hilarious

Everyone just needs to relax. It’s quite simple at the end of the day.

25 + 27 for Clark + 34 is pretty much the most equitable deal for a contracted youngster whose shown promise on the fringe in a perennial top 4 team.

If freo offer 27 and fu**all else, Geelong keep him. Simple. Freo try again next year.

We all move on

Nah, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree, and state that it's not that simple. That proposed trade scenario just does not hold value for Fremantle. I'd rather we walked if they were the terms.

 

[Freoboy in Melbs]

Are we there yet?

 

[MotlopMagic]

Yeah obviously your Club also value him - he is contracted. Much to the displeasure of some Freo supporters FREO also must value him to offer a 4 year deal.

You could get Lobb? He is contracted wants out and allegedly would take less money to get out of Freo. But he is contracted so unless Freo want to salary dump probably have to come up with a good deal in their favor. IMHO Lobb would be picks and salary might be a trade off. The higher the pick you pay might want Freo to carry some of the Salary.

I don’t rate Lobb and he doesn’t fulfil a need. Hard pass from me there.


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[Glek]

Luckily I'm not a list manager because you couldn't pay me to take Lobb for free, let alone pay draft capital for him

Yeah I'm a tad more optimistic about Lobb. Think he has value to the "right" club but you may well be correct Geelong may not be that club.

So much chest beating. Hilarious

Everyone just needs to relax. It’s quite simple at the end of the day.

25 + 27 for Clark + 34 is pretty much the most equitable deal for a contracted youngster whose shown promise on the fringe in a perennial top 4 team.

If freo offer 27 and fu**all else, Geelong keep him. Simple. Freo try again next year.

We all move on

Exactly, think the deal is "fair" gets the players to where they want to go and we all move onto the footy.

As a part-time Docker, Belly do your best what will be will be, no complaints for me. We move on and make the best of the draft picks we have.

Clark gets to where he wants to go, Cerra gets to where he wants to go - Geelong sad to see Clark go but are fairly compensated for a contracted player.

Win-Win-Win

(cue the negative Fremantle supporters "we are paying too much for Clark" "we are not getting enough for Cerra" blah blah blah heard it all before at other clubs and 99 times out of a 100 Bigfooty biased posters are wrong)

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Yeah after actually looking at the Caldwell trade I’m pretty convinced it won’t be 25 and 27 going to Geelong. One of those will be a future 2nd. That values him pretty much spot on with all the similar trades

 

[Glek]

Yeah after actually looking at the Caldwell trade I’m pretty convinced it won’t be 25 and 27 going to Geelong. One of those will be a future 2nd. That values him pretty much spot on with all the similar trades

Caldwell trade has nothing to do with it - different draft.

But on your 2nd part if Cats preferred a future 2nd over 27 - you could not rule that out. But IMHO Blues need to retain a 2nd round pick in this draft. So Geelong would have to be prepared to give Clark away in this draft for a 7 pick upgrade ... just not sure that sounds appealing for a contracted player Freo have offered a long-term deal too.

But each to there own. But if you are prepared to split 6 or 8 I'm sure and equitable deal could be done between Freo - Geelong - Carlton.

 

[Demons09]

Caldwell trade has nothing to do with it - different draft.

But on your 2nd part if Cats preferred a future 2nd over 27 - you could not rule that out. But IMHO Blues need to retain a 2nd round pick in this draft. So Geelong would have to be prepared to give Clark away in this draft for a 7 pick upgrade ... just not sure that sounds appealing for a contracted player Freo have offered a long-term deal too.

But each to there own. But if you are prepared to split 6 or 8 I'm sure and equitable deal could be done between Freo - Geelong - Carlton.

Stick to trade radio dumbo.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Caldwell trade has nothing to do with it - different draft.

But on your 2nd part if Cats preferred a future 2nd over 27 - you could not rule that out. But IMHO Blues need to retain a 2nd round pick in this draft. So Geelong would have to be prepared to give Clark away in this draft for a 7 pick upgrade ... just not sure that sounds appealing for a contracted player Freo have offered a long-term deal too.

But each to there own. But if you are prepared to split 6 or 8 I'm sure and equitable deal could be done between Freo - Geelong - Carlton.

Caldwell/Higgins/Fogarty have everything to do with it. They are are recent trades that are very similar situations.

I think you know we aren’t splitting 6 or 8. I’ve posted my suggestion several times and I’m confident we walk away with one of 25 or 27 (losing a future pick or two to do so).

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Caldwell/Higgins/Fogarty have everything to do with it. They are are recent trades that are very similar situations.

I think you know we aren’t splitting 6 or 8. I’ve posted my suggestion several times and I’m confident we walk away with one of 25 or 27 (losing a future pick or two to do so).

Fogarty we were not super keen on keeping clark we are..thats the difference.
Higgins was the equivalent of an early 20s pick when all is calculated.
Caldwell was 29 and 30 with 44 going back while uncontracted.
Factoring all that in 25 and 27 for clark and 34 isnt overs its break even at worst..personally i think freo are doing well if thats the deal.

Agree 6 or 8 wont be split.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Fogarty we were not super keen on keeping clark we are..thats the difference.
Higgins was the equivalent of an early 20s pick when all is calculated.
Caldwell was 29 and 30 with 44 going back while uncontracted.
Factoring all that in 25 and 27 for clark and 34 isnt overs its break even at worst..personally i think freo are doing well if thats the deal.

Agree 6 or 8 wont be split.

Yes, Higgins and Caldwell were a pick upgrade with a future 2nd. That is a whole lot more palatable to me then both the 2nds you get being this year. That feels like something we put our foot down over

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Yes, Higgins and Caldwell were a pick upgrade with a future 2nd. That is a whole lot more palatable to me then both the 2nds you get being this year. That feels like something we put our foot down over

I mean we might take 25 and a future 2nd for clark and 34 (and let you keep 27) but that would be purely because we need picks next year for when we have more retirements not because its a better deal. I still think 25 and 27 with 34 going back is what we push for though.

 

[Paracleet]

Waste of time coming in here with every second post from the troll that was clogging up the Cerra thread.

99 times out of 100 if you're not sure if it's authentic eccentricity or trolling, it's definitely trolling.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I mean we might take 25 and a future 2nd for clark and 34 (and let you keep 27) but that would be purely because we need picks next year for when we have more retirements not because its a better deal. I still think 25 and 27 with 34 going back is what we push for though.

Yeah you having so many 2nds already gives further credence to it being a future 2nd IMO.

 

[Shadow89]

Pure_Ownage and Snuffaluphagus - so nice to see two esteemed posters discussing things like adults, and actually being able to disagree, then agree, using diplomatic debate. Makes this thread/discussion a lot more bearable

Keep up the good exchanges!