Traded Jordan Clark and F4 traded to Fremantle for #22 and F3 (Carl)

[CatToTheFuture]

Will either turn out to be better than Cerra or a total bust.

What if Cerra turns into a bust?

 

[The 747]

Yes, Higgins and Caldwell were a pick upgrade with a future 2nd. That is a whole lot more palatable to me then both the 2nds you get being this year. That feels like something we put our foot down over

Perhaps, but it can be tricky to put your foot down when you have chased a contracted player and offered him a lengthy deal. We had the same last year with Cameron and WCE the same with Kelly.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Pure_Ownage and Snuffaluphagus - so nice to see two esteemed posters discussing things like adults, and actually being able to disagree, then agree, using diplomatic debate. Makes this thread/discussion a lot more bearable

Keep up the good exchanges!

Snuffy is a good bloke...good analysis..doesnt get tunnel vision of focusing only on one team...doesnt take it personally and respectful with the banter...people like that make BF a great place.

Back to this trade unless it involves multiple clubs i think its something slightly more than a mid R2 and slightly less than a R1..both clubs probably feel like they are getting slightly dudded which generally indicates its a fair trade.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Perhaps, but it can be tricky to put your foot down when you have chased a contracted player and offered him a lengthy deal. We had the same last year with Cameron and WCE the same with Kelly.

Yeah but I think you’re getting extra value as it is. Uncontracted I doubt we’d be talking about a 2nd with an upgrade. With all the 2nds you have, demanding 27 rather than a future 2nd just feels like being difficult for the sake of it

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Yeah but I think you’re getting extra value as it is. Uncontracted I doubt we’d be talking about a 2nd with an upgrade. With all the 2nds you have, demanding 27 rather than a future 2nd just feels like being difficult for the sake of it

I tend to agree with that last sentence unless the reason why we want 25 and 27 is because we are giving them to another club (to trade up into the first round). As we have fairly limited list spots at the moment im not against rolling current picks into futures.

 

[Glek]

Perhaps, but it can be tricky to put your foot down when you have chased a contracted player and offered him a lengthy deal. We had the same last year with Cameron and WCE the same with Kelly.

Plus you cant rule out Cats looking at 32 & Clark for 8 (values Clark around 20) just really depend on how much Freo want Clark and how much Cats are in keeping a contracted player. Cant see Freo doing that.

So 25 & 27 for 32 and Clark gets things moving. Futures dont help Carlton dont help Geelong to move up the board this year.

Previous year deals are meaningless - you get the picks and spend them in this draft. Every draft is different.

 

[The 747]

Yeah but I think you’re getting extra value as it is. Uncontracted I doubt we’d be talking about a 2nd with an upgrade. With all the 2nds you have, demanding 27 rather than a future 2nd just feels like being difficult for the sake of it

Hard to tell with all the bluster around trades. Perhaps we specifically want picks this year.

 

[The 747]

I tend to agree with that last sentence unless the reason why we want 25 and 27 is because we are giving them to another club (to trade up into the first round). As we have fairly limited list spots at the moment im not against rolling current picks into futures.

Given the draftees are a bit of gamble this year, I would be happy for us to take four seconds in the draft given Wells record around there, we can roll our third into next year, plus if Pies pick up Krueger it will be for a future late pick.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Hard to tell with all the bluster around trades. Perhaps we specifically want picks this year.

Yeah, I just dont think it can be justified. Higgins and Caldwell both had the outright 2nd round pick being a future. Making both this year would value Clark more than them which I dont think is accurate. Yes, he's contracted, but that doesnt mean you get everything you want, some concessions are always made, the fact its not just 27 outright (pretty close to value for his output so far) is the contracted value bonus you get.

For mine, Geelong and Carlton will be eyeing each other off. Carlton will want 34 back with giving up 25 rather than getting a 3rd round pick back and Geelong will be telling Freo they want 25, so go get it. You can still trade up for the Dogs pick with 30 and 32.

 

[Wally Walpamur]

Plus you cant rule out Cats looking at 32 & Clark for 8 (values Clark around 20) just really depend on how much Freo want Clark and how much Cats are in keeping a contracted player. Cant see Freo doing that.

So 25 & 27 for 32 and Clark gets things moving. Futures dont help Carlton dont help Geelong to move up the board this year.

Previous year deals are meaningless - you get the picks and spend them in this draft. Every draft is different.

If Freo do 8 for Clark & 32, i'll hand my membership back. An absolutely atrocious deal.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Given the draftees are a bit of gamble this year, I would be happy for us to take four seconds in the draft given Wells record around there, we can roll our third into next year, plus if Pies pick up Krueger it will be for a future late pick.

Thats true but a bit does depend on list spots if we havent got room for more than 3 senior picks we should roll picks into next year and we might want to spread the risk over 2 years.

I agree with snuffy in that if the choice is we have 4-5 R2s this year or one next year and 3 this year and we refuse thats being unnecessarily difficult from us..unless as i said those picks are going to another club in a 3 way deal then its necessary to insist freo give them.

 

[Glek]

Given the draftees are a bit of gamble this year, I would be happy for us to take four seconds in the draft given Wells record around there, we can roll our third into next year, plus if Pies pick up Krueger it will be for a future late pick.

All drafts are a gamble all drafts are different. Futures trading is even more of a gamble unless you can predict the future.

Freo have offered him a "long-term" deal - take the money and run.

 

[Demons09]

If Freo do 8 for Clark & 32, i'll hand my membership back. An absolutely atrocious deal.

Don’t feed the troll Wally.

 

[eastfreo75]

Clarke for F2 and F3.

 

[FD2646]

Some rumour being circulated that the cats are interested in Darcy Tucker

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Darcy Tucker

Age

27

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.9

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.3

5star

MG

239.7

4star

D

14.0

3star

K

8.5

3star

HB

5.5

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.3

4star

MG

240.5

4star

D

14.4

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.8

5star

MG

234.8

4star

. Still only 24 years of age, Vic kid and uncontracted. He came back (admittedly not in his best form) in 2021 from a serious hamstring injury from the previous year (when he was playing well IMO). Could Tucker form part of the deal involving Clark?

 

[Lore]

Can't trade two futures at once

huh? Sure you can. You have to maintain a presence in either the future first round or each of the subsequent rounds at all times though.

So not a first and a second at the same time, unless you have more than one of one of them.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Can't trade two futures at once

You can trade an F2 and F3 just not F1 and F2.

 

[DJN1992]

Jordan Clark

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Jordan Clark

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.7

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

4.3

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.6

4star

MG

172.0

3star

D

12.5

3star

K

8.5

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

172.0

3star

D

12.2

3star

K

10.4

4star

HB

1.8

2star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.4

4star

+ Future 4th Pick for Pick 27 & Future 3rd Pick

Never really rated Clark, makes too many skill errors under no pressure and doesn't seem to handle pressure well either. Perfect example the GSW game in round 19 when he missed that goal from 10 meters.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Some rumour being circulated that the cats are interested in Darcy Tucker. Still only 24 years of age, Vic kid and uncontracted. He came back (admittedly not in his best form) in 2021 from a serious hamstring injury from the previous year (when he was playing well IMO). Could Tucker form part of the deal involving Clark?

I thought he re-signed?

 

[Wally Walpamur]

I thought he re-signed?

Club come out with a statement that they're committed to re-signing him. Whether they've come to an agreement or not remains to be seen.

 

[Shadow89]

huh? Sure you can. You have to maintain a presence in either the future first round or each of the subsequent rounds at all times though.

So not a first and a second at the same time, unless you have more than one of one of them.

Ahhh my mistake. I thought that extended to the whole draft, not just first rounders. Just found this on Zero Hanger, which clarifies things a bit more (cheers for setting me straight Lore )

"- If a club trades a future first-round selection, it may not trade any other future selection from that same draft. But if a club keeps its future first-round selection, it can trade any of its future selections from other rounds."

Clubs set to trade for future picks

The AFL has announced that clubs will be allowed to trade future draft picks starting from this year.

www.zerohanger.com

 

[Lore]

Ahhh my mistake. I thought that extended to the whole draft, not just first rounders. Just found this on Zero Hanger, which clarifies things a bit more (cheers for setting me straight Lore )

"- If a club trades a future first-round selection, it may not trade any other future selection from that same draft. But if a club keeps its future first-round selection, it can trade any of its future selections from other rounds."

Clubs set to trade for future picks

The AFL has announced that clubs will be allowed to trade future draft picks starting from this year.

www.zerohanger.com

Yep. You can also check the FAQ resource thread In addition to that, and not explicit but a matter of how things are done, is the O'Meara rule, which states that if you bring another first rounder in you can trade out all of your own picks.

 

[Cobbler]

So Geelong interest in Tucker…

 

[Freoboy in Melbs]

I thought he re-signed?

Not quite. Him and Crowden haven't yet re-signed. Yeah, I was wondering why Tucker hadn't re-signed. Perhaps a possible trade had something to do with it after all.

Well that makes things interesting, if true. Straight swap on the cards - Clark for Tucker? Whatever the deal, could be the best thing for both players.

 

[year of the cat]

If Freo do 8 for Clark & 32, i'll hand my membership back. An absolutely atrocious deal.

I think your membership is safe.

 

[WilloTree]

Jordan Clark + Future 4th Pick for Pick 27 & Future 3rd Pick

Never really rated Clark, makes too many skill errors under no pressure and doesn't seem to handle pressure well either. Perfect example the GSW game in round 19 when he missed that goal from 10 meters.

He'll fit right in.