Traded Jordan Clark and F4 traded to Fremantle for #22 and F3 (Carl)

[CatToTheFuture]

Will either turn out to be better than Cerra or a total bust.

What if Cerra turns into a bust?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

You are aware that the first completed trade during the 2018 trade period was for Linc McCarthy to head north to Brisbane - McCarthy we highly rated at Geelong and even had a multi year deal on the table to extend his stay in the hoops

But McCarthy was clear in that he wanted a fresh start with a move to Brisbane, so all parties sat down and worked out a fair trade which was signed off by midday on the first day of the trade period

Come to the trade table with suitable options and Geelong generally isn't that hard to deal with

I mean is 27 not in the realms of fair the same way the McCarthy deal was at the time?

Dont think Freo posters (or Freo for that matter) are suggesting lowball offers

 

[wayToGo_]

Oh so Freo were the hard done by ones here, getting Pick 2 from a struggling club that was losing players in droves and just wanted one going the other way for once...because the Suns didn't give Freo enough time to decide? Oh my mistake.
Certainly had enough time to knock back 4 requests according to the aforementioned article.

I think I understand this thread now -

If Freo do it - ...reasons

If another side does it - 'EVIL, EVIL, EVIL!!!'

No I said in my post... we bent them over because they left it late and promised Weller the world. They had promised him they would get him in. That's why they got bent over. They could have walked away and had a very pissed off Weller on their hands. Just like Freo can walk away from the Clark thing - I strongly doubt we've promised him anything other than doing our best to get a trade done.

 

[Shadow89]

You are the one who conveniently omitted the context. You said just a few pages earlier that pick #8 was a starting point and Geelong isn't seriously expecting that for Clark.

So which is it? Is what is said during negotiations accurate or not?

It's never accurate, it's just what one side deems to be a parameter...as I've established.

Weller saw his worth as end of first round at most - as did GC - Freo set the bar at Pick 2. GC had to move all the way from Pick 19 at most to Pick 2 or nothing.

There was no compromise from Freo, whilst all the compromise was expected from GC. That's the difference between the two. I don't expect for us to end up with 8 (if that is even true), but either way, there'll be a negotiation in between that number and the number Freo set - 27.

Both clubs will find a middle ground which allows Clark to be traded. If not, he'll stay. Difference is, you had no middle ground for Weller and said he was staying unless you got things all your way...and that's what ended up happening.

As I said before though, I'll leave it there as this is going nowhere.

 

[eastfreo75]

Oh so Freo were the hard done by ones here, getting Pick 2 from a struggling club that was losing players in droves and just wanted one going the other way for once...because the Suns didn't give Freo enough time to decide? Oh my mistake.
Certainly had enough time to knock back 4 requests according to the aforementioned article.

I think I understand this thread now -

If Freo do it - ...reasons

If another side does it - 'EVIL, EVIL, EVIL!!!'

WTF.

Fremantle was in a middle of rebuild and Weller who were developing player wanted out for money.

Suns didn’t have to do the deal, like Fremantle doesn’t trade for Clark.

Massive difference is that Weller played 22 games and Geelong refused to play Clark and recruited Smith in his place.

Sure, Clark could be played off you half back but the Cats played Holmes over him.

 

[wayToGo_]

It's never accurate, it's just what one side deems to be a parameter...as I've established.

Weller saw his worth as end of first round at most - as did GC - Freo set the bar at Pick 2. GC had to move all the way from Pick 19 at most to Pick 2 or nothing.

There was no compromise from Freo, whilst all the compromise was expected from GC. That's the difference between the two. I don't expect for us to end up with 8 (if that is even true), but either way, there'll be a negotiation in between that number and the number Freo set - 27.

Both clubs will find a middle ground which allows Clark to be traded. If not, he'll stay. Difference is, you had no middle ground for Weller and said he was staying unless you got things all your way...and that's what ended up happening.

Nuance.

I will be astonished if Clark is at Geelong next year. He's in WA atm and already checked out of playing for Geelong again. Like I said in my first post on this thread the deal will be one where Freo supporters are annoyed because it cost more than they thought it should for a player not being played by the team trading with. And Geelong supporters will be annoyed because one of their very few talented young players wants out - and I assure you it ain't about contracts length or size nor just Scarlett as his past coach.

 

[Shadow89]

WTF.

Fremantle was in a middle of rebuild and Weller who were developing player wanted out for money.

Suns didn’t have to do the deal, like Fremantle doesn’t trade for Clark.

Massive difference is that Weller played 22 games and Geelong refused to play Clark and recruited Smith in his place.

Sure, Clark could be played off you half back but the Cats played Holmes over him.

So? Players want our for money all the time. You're the one trying to justify Pick 2 being acceptable for a player who wasn't part of your Top 10...in a rebuilding Bottom 6 side... whilst calling our starting gambit of Pick 8 (that will end up being around 20-24 IMO) 'unreasonable' and 'outrageous.'

Clark is in a Top 4 side, Weller was in a Bottom 6 side. Ergo, it's far easier to play every game in a team without depth where you can just 'play the kids' vs a team where there is strong competition for each spot.

Not to mention that Holmes played less games than Clark, played mainly as a forward and actually had VFL form to build on earlier, as opposed to Clark who couldn't get a consistent run at either level. Still played 8 games though in a Top 4 side.

If you can't see the hypocrisy in your reasoning, then we're done here.

 

[Shadow89]

I will be astonished if Clark is at Geelong next year. He's in WA atm and already checked out of playing for Geelong again. Like I said in my first post on this thread the deal will be one where Freo supporters are annoyed because it cost more than they thought it should for a player not being played by the team trading with. And Geelong supporters will be annoyed because one of their very few talented young players wants out - and I assure you it ain't about contracts length or size nor just Scarlett as his past coach.

That's a reasonable assessment and aligns a lot with how I've felt about things too (besides the checking out of playing for Geelong part - but we won't agree on everything). Good place to leave things

 

[Swiggy]

Think People are getting too worked up about this pick 8 stuff. Its day one of trade period. They were never going to take first offer day one. need to let it play out

 

[The 747]

Think People are getting too worked about this pick 8 stuff. Its day one of trade period. They were never going to take first offer day one. need to let it play out

Well I guess we would have taken pick 8 first offer . Each side will puff up their chest to the media and leak stuff, Geelong fans will say Clark is a gun while Freo fans say lol - then these positions will reverse once the trade is done for something between 8 and 27. Then Geelong fans will say lol he's a spud and Freo fans will say he is a gun.....this thread will go on and on.....the fun that is trade week.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Why is Clark any different to "don't want" and "can't get right"? Where is his contract extension offer? I reckon Geelong don't care if he leaves and are just trying to fleece Freo (as they should, it's up to us whether we are stupid enough to cave or not).

The Fogarty trade is very relevant. Same club; top 20-ish pick; decent debut season; can't get a game for 2 years. Traded for pick 41 in value. Clark is contracted so commands more, but 27 is more than enough premium on someone who would be worth 40-50 if he was out of contract.

There is a gulf of difference in where Clark was selected and Fogarty was selected. There is a gulf in difference in the quality of player also. It has always been an out there comparison

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Why not ask for something other than #8 then? Ffs it's not that hard. You make your initial ask the pick that makes the pick you want the mid point. So if Freo offer #27 you ask for say #18? Or even #15 which is the pick he was drafted at. Is there anyone in the AFL community that thinks #8 is even remotely fair value for Clark? Meanwhile I think most think #27 is close to the mark - including you it seems.

Because if we ask for something less than 8 we might accidentally get it.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Yeah, and I'm also a bit frustrated I've done exactly what I said not do and that is bite into media trying to create a story. It may not even be true and I'm annoyed I can see our club getting unders for Cerra and overs Clark which is going to sh*t me

I should also be clearer that its Geelong's right to be disrespectful and we were disrespectful with Weller, we clearly werent entitled to pick 2 but it was our turn to use the AFL pick generator.

Additionally, anyone saying its for Clark's welfare is stupid

I can certainly understand the frustration. I wouldn't take it personally, they just really want to keep him.

 

[two blue tiger]

As much chance of the Cats getting pick 8 as there is of their bevy of old timers getting fitter, younger and faster over this coming pre-season..........

 

[theyellowsash]

Geelongs vfl team must be pretty good if his value can double while at the same time as not being good enough to break into the team for 3 years.

 

[Cobbler]

Incredible developments on day 1 of trade period.

Geelong ask ridiculous overs. Freo offer perceived unders.

Both sets of fans stick chests out.

Stay tuned for more updates tomorrow where we’re sure to hear comments like ‘he’s contracted’ ‘you’ve offered him 4 years’ ‘but he couldn’t get a game in your best 22’ are sure to feature.

Plus, who knows the deep and dark secrets that Scarlett held. Many say it was purely didn’t rate Clark but will it come out that Scarlett in fact held his own ‘mind training camp’ and Clark was caught in the cross fire.

What we do know is there’s a gap between 8 and 27. A clear difference of 19. The loser of this trade will be the one who edges closer to the majority of that gap.

Anything over 18 and Geelong lose.
Anything under 18 and Geelong win.

Sportsbet unavailable for comment. I’m running my own market.

Geelong under 18 paying $3.60
Geelong over 18 paying $1.65
Stay at Geelong paying $17
Freo get Clark, pay over 18 less than 27 yet still get laughed at paying $1.08
A ludicrous amount of pick swaps for what should’ve been an easy deal paying $1.03

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Don't they have to be good enough, not just young. Scott said if they have of played their young guys like Clark, Narkle etc they would have ended up bottom 4.

Where exactly did Scott say this?

 

[Cobbler]

Where exactly did Scott say this?

100% said it. Can’t recall if it was directly after loss, but he said it.
I was genuinely gobsmacked. Any player on the outer, especially youth would’ve been rightfully peeved, in my opinion.
Imagine having that sort of confidence in your young players.

 

[cats_09]

Where exactly did Scott say this?

Never

 

[WaywardSonSon]

Incredible developments on day 1 of trade period.

Geelong ask ridiculous overs. Freo offer perceived unders.

Both sets of fans stick chests out.

Stay tuned for more updates tomorrow where we’re sure to hear comments like ‘he’s contracted’ ‘you’ve offered him 4 years’ ‘but he couldn’t get a game in your best 22’ are sure to feature.

Plus, who knows the deep and dark secrets that Scarlett held. Many say it was purely didn’t rate Clark but will it come out that Scarlett in fact held his own ‘mind training camp’ and Clark was caught in the cross fire.

What we do know is there’s a gap between 8 and 27. A clear difference of 19. The loser of this trade will be the one who edges closer to the majority of that gap.

Anything over 18 and Geelong lose.
Anything under 18 and Geelong win.

Sportsbet unavailable for comment. I’m running my own market.

Geelong under 18 paying $3.60
Geelong over 18 paying $1.65
Stay at Geelong paying $17
Freo get Clark, pay over 18 less than 27 yet still get laughed at paying $1.08
A ludicrous amount of pick swaps for what should’ve been an easy deal paying $1.03

One little known secret is that he regrets punching Ballas, and sends the Ballantyne family a Christmas card every year. Went on record to say, "I really meant to hit him in the chest. It was kinda like the Gaffy incident."

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Think People are getting too worked up about this pick 8 stuff. Its day one of trade period. They were never going to take first offer day one. need to let it play out

Exactly. The conversation would be more like freo offering 27 and the cats saying "well we're not taking that and the only other Pick you have is 8 so I guess we'll ask for that then". Then both parties have a chuckle and say "OK talk to you later".

Any realistic outcome is clearly dependent on other trades

 

[Cobbler]

Never

Quick search mate.
Found it in 3 seconds. Article on 10th September.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

100% said it. Can’t recall if it was directly after loss, but he said it.
I was genuinely gonsmacked. Any player on the outer, especially youth would’ve been rightfully peeved, in my opinion.
Imagine having that sort of confidence in your young players.

Lol ok, literally never heard him saying anything like this and it goes against everything else he's said in every press conference I've heard him in but yeah, sure.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Quick search mate.
Found it in 3 seconds. Article on 10th September.

So, it's so easy to find you couldn't be bothered linking it?

 

[Cobbler]

Lol ok, literally never heard him saying anything like this and it goes against everything else he's said in every press conference I've heard him in but yeah, sure.

Are you and the other moderator bloke even going to bother to look it up?
I mean I can’t be bothered spoon feeding everyone who just goes
‘Never’
‘But yeah, sure’

Look it up.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Are you and the other moderator bloke even going to bother to look it up?
I mean I can’t be bothered spoon feeding everyone who just goes
‘Never’
‘But yeah, sure’

Look it up.

I Googled key words from your post and found nothing. Would it kill you to link it? Or does it just not exist?