Traded Jordan Clark and F4 traded to Fremantle for #22 and F3 (Carl)

[CatToTheFuture]

Will either turn out to be better than Cerra or a total bust.

What if Cerra turns into a bust?

 

[wayToGo_]

Not sure why anyone is potting Freo for getting the most they possibly can out of a trade. That’s how it’s supposed to go isn’t it.

It wasn't that. It was the implication that Freo have been unreasonable at the trade table citing the Weller trade as proof. I was just pointing out that was very different circumstances to the usual trades we've done. Hogan the other one where in retrospect the gut instinct was right and we shouldn't have come back to the table. Apart from those two Freo have generally been ultra reasonable at the trade table.

To the best of my knowledge Clark told Geelong he wanted out at his exit meeting (from an itk on our board) a week or so back. And Fremantle have been talking to Geelong about the trade for a while. It could very well be that they've already agreed to something and it is just waiting on other trades getting done so it can happen as agreed. Meanwhile the media uses the delay as opportunity to create a soap opera out of it.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

It wasn't that. It was the implication that Freo have been unreasonable at the trade table citing the Weller trade as proof. I was just pointing out that was very different circumstances to the usual trades we've done. Hogan the other one where in retrospect the gut instinct was right and we shouldn't have come back to the table. Apart from those two Freo have generally been ultra reasonable at the trade table.

To the best of my knowledge Clark told Geelong he wanted out at his exit meeting (from an itk on our board) a week or so back. And Fremantle have been talking to Geelong about the trade for a while. It could very well be that they've already agreed to something and it is just waiting on other trades getting done so it can happen as agreed. Meanwhile the media uses the delay as opportunity to create a soap opera out of it.

Yeah the Weller one was a bit of an outlier. As was the Tim Kelly one

 

[hawkman]

Pick 8 seems fair.

Add in pick 6 and you might have a chance

 

[HairyO]

He is definitely worth pick 8 and change.

2 x 1st rounders minimum.

 

[Ok Boomer]

2 x 1st rounders minimum.

Although there is an argument for him being worth pick 88 also.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

2 x 1st rounders minimum.

I feel like this is an unprecedented trade and that freo should also send The Doker over as steak knives.

 

[Yeti]

Anytime people raise Gold Coast giving up pick 2 in exchange for Lachie Weller I get a bit giddy. Brayshaw is an absolute gem.

Geelong should hold Clark to his contract and make him suffer another Melbourne winter. They should be demanding overs for him as he is under contract despite the fact they haven't played him.

If Freo have offered him a 4 year deal they are dead set thick in the head.

 

[Superstar swan]

27 for clark is overs. Cats just being difficult and bogging down a trade for no reason

 

[Superstar swan]

Hopefully freo call cats bluff and rescind the offer and take him next year for free.

Trade period is a huge time waste as it is without cats trying to get pick 57 aswell from freo for a player they clearly don’t want nor rate

 

[eastfreo75]

Anytime people raise Gold Coast giving up pick 2 in exchange for Lachie Weller I get a bit giddy. Brayshaw is an absolute gem.

Geelong should hold Clark to his contract and make him suffer another Melbourne winter. They should be demanding overs for him as he is under contract despite the fact they haven't played him.

If Freo have offered him a 4 year deal they are dead set thick in the head.

Sorry to correct you but Geelong's weather is worse than Melbourne's.

 

[Scotland]

WTF.

Fremantle was in a middle of rebuild and Weller who were developing player wanted out for money.

Suns didn’t have to do the deal, like Fremantle doesn’t trade for Clark.

Massive difference is that Weller played 22 games and Geelong refused to play Clark and recruited Smith in his place.

Sure, Clark could be played off you half back but the Cats played Holmes over him.

I really wish people would stop using Weller as a reference. It was once in a lifetime turn of events. Besides he was a 21 year old former first round pick that played every game in his last 2 years. He was by no means in the shop window.

Any other club wouldn't have traded pick 2, and any other club wouldn't have paid him big money. But he wasn't traded to any other club. He was traded to Gold Coast who lost Adam Saad and Gary Ablett Jr in the same trade period, a year after losing Prestia and O'Meara, and a year out from losing May and Lynch.

Gold Coast gave up pick 2 for a 21 year old player who had already proven himself at least capable of holding a spot at AFL level that actually wanted to play for Gold Coast. Pick 2 to GC/GWS is not the same as it is to more established clubs. In the previous 3 years they used 8, 15, 8, 4, 7, 9, 10. Since trading pick 2 and only entering the draft at pick 19 in 2017, and in the 3 since they've used 2, 3, 6, 1, 2, 11, 7. And they're still long odds to make the 8 next year.

 

[james brayshaw]

I don't know if this trade will happen but Clark certainly seems to thinks so. He's gone and promised Freo tickets to about half the population of Perth already.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I don't know if this trade will happen but Clark certainly seems to thinks so. He's gone and promised Freo tickets to about half the population of Perth already.

think the happiest people if this doesnt happen will be geelong. Dont want to trade him and couldnt give two potato sacks care about pick 27 that will drift out to 29 or more.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

It wasn't that. It was the implication that Freo have been unreasonable at the trade table citing the Weller trade as proof. I was just pointing out that was very different circumstances to the usual trades we've done. Hogan the other one where in retrospect the gut instinct was right and we shouldn't have come back to the table. Apart from those two Freo have generally been ultra reasonable at the trade table.

To the best of my knowledge Clark told Geelong he wanted out at his exit meeting (from an itk on our board) a week or so back. And Fremantle have been talking to Geelong about the trade for a while. It could very well be that they've already agreed to something and it is just waiting on other trades getting done so it can happen as agreed. Meanwhile the media uses the delay as opportunity to create a soap opera out of it.

i think you will find that freo fans are all happy with 27 and all geelong fans are saying shove it.. that the real value honestly does lie inbetween closer to the 20 mark. Which is the halfway point on the fence

 

[Cobbler]

I don't know if this trade will happen but Clark certainly seems to thinks so. He's gone and promised Freo tickets to about half the population of Perth already.

So we should sell out a game or two!

 

[tonygeeks]

i think you will find that any footy fans who have taken any interest in this trade at all think 27 is fair and all geelong fans are saying shove it.. that the real value honestly does lie closer to the 30 mark.

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[Brewskies]

i think you will find that freo fans are all happy with 27 and all geelong fans are saying shove it.. that the real value honestly does lie inbetween closer to the 20 mark. Which is the halfway point on the fence

I also think why do the trade on day 1. If it was done today for Pick 27 which may be the actual trade in the end Geelong fans will not be happy because they will say that we caved. Even if somehow it ends up being 25 on the last day Geelong fans will say well done for haggling. Also the AFL build the last day of the period up so much that they won't want trades going through until as close to the last day as possible as if everything is done before then the final big day will be a fizzer especially if it's a quieter period

 

[Quokka]

I really wish people would stop using Weller as a reference. It was once in a lifetime turn of events. Besides he was a 21 year old former first round pick that played every game in his last 2 years. He was by no means in the shop window.

Any other club wouldn't have traded pick 2, and any other club wouldn't have paid him big money. But he wasn't traded to any other club. He was traded to Gold Coast who lost Adam Saad and Gary Ablett Jr in the same trade period, a year after losing Prestia and O'Meara, and a year out from losing May and Lynch.

Gold Coast gave up pick 2 for a 21 year old player who had already proven himself at least capable of holding a spot at AFL level that actually wanted to play for Gold Coast. Pick 2 to GC/GWS is not the same as it is to more established clubs. In the previous 3 years they used 8, 15, 8, 4, 7, 9, 10. Since trading pick 2 and only entering the draft at pick 19 in 2017, and in the 3 since they've used 2, 3, 6, 1, 2, 11, 7. And they're still long odds to make the 8 next year.

The craziest thing about the Weller trade is that it actually hasn't turned out too bad for the Suns so far and may still end up being a win.

No other club would have to do that deal (funnily enough Freo among the next closest) but more than anything they needed quality players who want to be there and tbh they can afford to burn picks to get it. Weller has gone from strength to strength and Ballard for the second part of the trade (pick 41) is holding his own as well.

as others have said both Weller and Kelly are outliers.

 

[Tristan34]

Hopefully freo call cats bluff and rescind the offer and take him next year for free.

Trade period is a huge time waste as it is without cats trying to get pick 57 aswell from freo for a player they clearly don’t want nor rate

I doubt it is a bluff..pick 27 is a nothing pick and obvious the club rates Clark higher than that...

 

[Tristan34]

The craziest thing about the Weller trade is that it actually hasn't turned out too bad for the Suns so far and may still end up being a win.

No other club would have to do that deal (funnily enough Freo among the next closest) but more than anything they needed quality players who want to be there and tbh they can afford to burn picks to get it. Weller has gone from strength to strength and Ballard for the second part of the trade (pick 41) is holding his own as well.

as others have said both Weller and Kelly are outliers.

Kelly was a gun at Geelong and nearly won the brownlow... Weller was average at best... GC payed way overs...

 

[Quokka]

Kelly was a gun at Geelong and nearly won the brownlow... Weller was average at best... GC payed way overs...

Games since would suggest the trades weren't as unbalanced as that

 

[Jmac2225]

In all likelihood this trade will be a bust and Geelong will retain Jordan for another year unless Freo come to the table offering overs.

I think Jordan is aware of this too which why no official trade request has been made. No need to burn bridges after all and whilst a move home would be nice he’s still happy enough to stay and prove himself at GFC.

 

[The Kings Ransom]

Talk about will Brodie

17

Will Brodie

Age

26

Ht

190cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.0

5star

K

8.2

3star

HB

10.8

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.9

5star

CL

4.1

5star

D

14.0

3star

K

4.0

1star

HB

10.0

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

2star

CL

3.0

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

5.4

5star

CL

2.8

5star

to freo.

could have done something like the below.

Freo give 27, get will Brodie

17

Will Brodie

Age

26

Ht

190cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.0

5star

K

8.2

3star

HB

10.8

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.9

5star

CL

4.1

5star

D

14.0

3star

K

4.0

1star

HB

10.0

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

2star

CL

3.0

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

5.4

5star

CL

2.8

5star

AND clark
Geelong give Clark, future 4th roun. Get 22
Gc give 22, Brodie. Get 27, future 4th round.

Gc then trade the 27 onto Collingwood rather than 22.

Gc get Brodie off the books as desired.
Freo get their guy with pick 27
Geelong get pick 22 which may appease them.

 

[RonnieRaven]

You guys had just started rebuilding and were Bottom 6 when Weller was getting 22 games. He himself said that he thought he was worth an end of first round pick - given he was in your Best 22 but not in your Best 10.

Clark played 17 games in his first season, copped a shoulder injury that wrecked his season, re did that same shoulder the next year plus a couple of other niggles and then played 8 games this year - all in a Top 4 side.

If we were at the same stage you guys were then, then Clark would have played 40+ games by now and firmly entrenched himself in our Best 22.

We're in completely different positions, and yet you still asked for Andy Brayshaw (the 2nd best underage player in the country at the time and projecting as a future superstar) for Weller - who is definitely not in the Top 10 players at GC - nor previously at Freo.

You call us 'outrageous' and 'unreasonable' for what is either a gambit, or complete BS, yet you ACTUALLY asked for Pick 2, and expected it for a player who didn't rate himself above an end of first round pick - nor did basically everyone in the footy community (even your own supporters).

The difference is, ours is obviously BS and won't come to fruition. Yours did.

So he is injury prone?

 

[HairyO]

27 for clark is overs. Cats just being difficult and bogging down a trade for no reason

There is a reason. They love having all their youth rotting away at VFL level while they continue to play the older players.