Josh Frydenberg. Out of his depth.

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Tyberious Funk said:
Let's be honest... Frydenberg's biggest problem is Frydenberg.

I watched highlights from his debate with Ryan. He was a self-entitled, whiny little bitch. He got caught out lying on several occasions, because he was facing an opponent who did her homework and he didn't. He answered important, substantive questions with waffle. He has been more interested in his own political ambitions and pulling the strings behind the scenes along with his mates like Sukkar, and he has been happy to get into bed (pun intended) with the religious bigots like Marcus Bastiaan.

He managed to score the seat basically with the support of Michael Kroger. For a guy that is supposed to be a moderate, he seems to hang out with a lot of dries. He tried to push out Petro Georgiou, and ultimately got preselection after Gergiou retired. Georgiou was a moderate, so my guess is that Frydenberg pitched himself as a moderate in order to get preselected, knowing that was what the Kooyong branch members were looking for. Only now, the ruse is starting to slip.

In any event none of that has anything to do with Morrison and Barnaby.
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good post. and people haven’t forgotten how he trashed his state when it was on its knees and handed 10s of millions 2 mates who increased profits during jobkeeper. 2 weeks ago he was a goner. but millions have been spent in kooyong with pro josh and scare campaigns re the teal candidates. all of which will probably get him across the line. tho he doesn’t deserve it .



#firetheliar
 
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Tyberious Funk said:
Let's be honest... Frydenberg's biggest problem is Frydenberg.

I watched highlights from his debate with Ryan. He was a self-entitled, whiny little bitch. He got caught out lying on several occasions, because he was facing an opponent who did her homework and he didn't. He answered important, substantive questions with waffle. He has been more interested in his own political ambitions and pulling the strings behind the scenes along with his mates like Sukkar, and he has been happy to get into bed (pun intended) with the religious bigots like Marcus Bastiaan.

He managed to score the seat basically with the support of Michael Kroger. For a guy that is supposed to be a moderate, he seems to hang out with a lot of dries. He tried to push out Petro Georgiou, and ultimately got preselection after Gergiou retired. Georgiou was a moderate, so my guess is that Frydenberg pitched himself as a moderate in order to get preselected, knowing that was what the Kooyong branch members were looking for. Only now, the ruse is starting to slip.

In any event none of that has anything to do with Morrison and Barnaby.
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Don’t disagree. The problem is himself.

I am a recent member of his electorate so didn’t take too much notice of him early on. He may have been a moderate but has moved right as his aspirations for party leadership have increased. A Victorian moderate was never going to win a Liberal caucus vote, hence the shift.

Other than hearing a couple of professionals in suits complaining how he shouldn’t be under threat. The mood for Ryan and change is very strong.
 
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"hearsay" permission, the actual owner never gave the ok but the "friend of a friend" said lets go for it.

If this is anything to go by, I wWouldn't want an independent to make serious decisions without proper consultation.
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ROFL.
Or sell some water to Angus?
Or just outright give $34 million to a cult (Hillsong ) Morrison is a member of

Or

  • Broke an election promise by cutting $84 million from the ABC (again).
  • Exempted a facial recognition system storing data of innocent citizens from standard procurement policy disclosure rules. The excuse is a reliance on security through obscurity rather than actual security. Accuracy figures are also not published.
  • Increased the jail time for journalists who report on whistleblower’s truthful allegations by a factor of 10.
  • Refused to publish the percentage of calls to the veterans’ suicide help line which go unanswered, because that want negatively impact the brand of the private call centre operator.
  • Prohibited public servants from liking social media posts critical of the government, even if anonymous.
  • Failed to declare multiple $1600 Foxtel subscriptions gifted to ministers by a lobby group.
  • Gave $30 million to Foxtel to boost “under represented sports”, and was unable to explain why free-to-air channels didn’t get the money, because the decision was made without any emails, letter, or supporting documentation.
  • Paid a minister $273 per night to stay in his own home.
  • Prevented university newspapers from attending the release 0f multiple annual budgets like all other newspapers. These particular budgets contained multiple changes which negatively impact university students.
  • Refused to release the results for the trial of a national health register.
  • Spent over $3,500 to send a minister to watch the AFL with his wife.
  • Spent over $2,700 on a trip to watch polo.
  • Spent $10,000 per day to send a single minister to the USA.
  • Broke a promise to scrap free lifetime travel for former ministers. The excuse is that the government is to busy to pass legislation through parliament, despite that being the job of the government and of parliament.
  • Falsely advertised the closure of the Child Dental Benefits Schedule, despite Parliament rejecting the closure attempt.
  • Refused to publish the cost benefit analysis on the agriculture minister’s decision to move a federal agency from Canberra to his own electorate.
  • Personally appointed George Brandis’ son’s lawyer to a $370,000 job, without making a conflict of interest declaration.
  • Tried to privatise the database of ASIC (the corporate watchdog). Under private hands the cost journalists must pay to obtain information about potentially corrupt companies would increase.
  • Spent over $140,000 for 5 ministers to travel to a country we have no trade or diplomatic ties with, visiting tourist sites and dining in 5 star restaurants.
  • Refused to release 5 year old taxi receipts to assist in a fraud case, on the grounds that terrorists could use travel information from 5 years ago to help plan an attack against the minister in question.
  • Spent $10,000 to fly the family of 2 ministers to a tropical island for a weekend holiday.
  • Voted against a motion asking the Housing Affordability Inquiry to update the senate on how they are progressing with the recommendations the government supported.
  • Rejected an inquiry which recommended that citizens accused of tax fraud be treated as innocent until proven guilty.
  • Spent $30,000 on a private jet to fly one minister and their partner from Perth to Canberra (instead of catching a normal plane) because a non-business event ran overtime. This is despite the alleged budget emergency.
  • Voted against increasing transparency about how much tax large corporations pay.
  • Violated parliamentary anti-corruption rules by not declaring a substantial loan for almost 2 years.
  • Broke an election promise to conduct and publish a cost benefit analysis for all infrastructure projects over $100 million.
  • Spent over $20,000 in a legal fight in order to hide modelling for the impact of university fee deregulation.
  • Spent thousands of government dollars on taxi rides to the Opera in just 8 days. The government claims that the expenditure is reasonable because the minister didn’t pay for the tickets either.
  • Spent thousands of government dollars on limousine rides, and fudged the declaration paperwork to say they were taxi rides.
  • Spent $10,000 trying to chase down someone who leaked information to the media about how the Prime Minister deliberately and knowingly used false information to justify opposition to a defence force pay rise.
  • Spent $27,000 on travel expenses for politicians to attend free sports events.
  • Voted against a royal commission into corruption and misconduct in the financial service industry, following a series of scandals.
  • Reaped $1000 per month of government money to pay for Joe Hockey to stay in his wife’s house.
  • Proposed an exemption so that Australia’s richest companies no longer have to publish basic information about how much tax they are paying.
  • Accidentally leaked the personal details of 31 world leaders, and chose not to notify them. They still claim your metadata will be safe though.
  • Breached the criminal code of conduct by offering the independently appointed Human Rights Commissioner a new job if she resigned.
  • Flew across the country on a taxpayer funded private jet to attend the private birthday party of a millionaire who has made large donations to the Liberal party.
  • Refused to publish cost estimates for the data-retention policy which were provided by the industry.
  • Voted to keep the text of the China Free Trade deal secret from the public.
  • Abolished the $10,000 limit on political donations.
  • Broke the law by missing the deadline for publishing the Intergenerational Report, as stipulated by the Charter of Budget Honesty Act.
  • Spent $10,000 trying to identify a whistleblower who told the media that the Prime Minister knowingly mislead the public using information he knew was incorrect.
  • Started an online petition to stop job losses at the ABC, just 36 hours after cutting ABC funding by 5% (which broke an election promise).
  • Contracted out the managing of the Do Not Call Register to a marketing company.
  • Secretly and retrospectively changed the official record of what was said in parliament.
  • Broke an election promise by cutting ABC funding again ($120 million this time).
  • Spent $900,000 in just 2 months on private jet flights for ministers.
  • Forced all community TV stations off the air, claiming that moving online will be better for stations and viewers. Meanwhile they continue to fervently defend foreign corporate stations like HBO, who stubbornly refuse to make content accessible online.
  • Introduced new laws which mean Edward Snowden type leaks are punishable by up to 10 years of prison. No exemptions are made for anti-corruption leaks. If journalists report on anyone (including innocent bystanders) being killed accidentally or deliberately by security personnel, they will be jailed for up to 10 years.
  • Spent $50,000 on upgrades of curtains and upholstery for the Prime Minister’s office.
  • Moved to abolish the role of freedom of information commissioner, abolish the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner and charge $800 for reviews of Freedom of Information Request denials.
  • Refused to publish any submissions it received for or against the proposed changes to the Racial Discrimination Act, even though the government says the changes are to protect free speech. They refused to state what proportion of submissions supported the changes. The government defended this secrecy by claiming that all submissions were made with the expectation of confidentiality. This is false. The Senate Inquiry Submission Guidelines state that to make a Senate Inquiry Submission confidential, you must explicitly justify a request for confidentiality, and that such requests are generally denied.
  • Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons.
  • Gave the Minister for Infrastructure the power to silence Infrastructure Australia (an independent body) without justification. (See section 5A.2 of the link.)
  • Deliberately hid the cost of the $4.45 million renovations on The Lodge.
  • Spent $50,000 on one dinner for 60 G20 guests, including food specially flown to Washington from all over Australia.
  • Voted against the creation of a federal anti-corruption watchdog.
  • Cut $38 million from Australian television and film funding.
  • Broke an election promise by cutting $40 million from the SBS and ABC.
  • Broke an election promise to not cut ABC funding, by cutting all funding to the Australia Network (part of the ABC).
  • Claimed a 2.5% reduction in funding every year for the ABC is not a funding cut.
  • Increased the fee for lodging Freedom of Information requests.
  • Paid a public relataons company $97,000 for 3 weeks of work to help improve the Education Department’s image, then refused to release the report that came of it.
  • Proposed the scrapping of regulation which prevents media monopolies and duopolies.
  • Spent over $15,000 on a custom made bookcase to replace a $7,000 custom bookcase which holds $13,000 worth of taxpayer funded books and magazines in senator Brandis’ office.
  • Spent $22,000 taxpayer dollars buying new cutlery and crockery for the ministerial wing of parliament.
  • Chose not to mention a $882 million payout to News Corp. when outlining a $16.8 billion budget black hole. The payout was the single biggest item in the black hole.
  • Denied any wrongdoing after a government aid married to the head of a junk food lobby pulled down a government website providing simplified nutritional information within hours of its launch.
  • Violated Youtube’s policies regarding deceptive content, resulting in the suspension of Abbott’s whole channel.
  • Criticised the ABC because they aren’t biased towards the Government.
  • Spent over $120,000 on Kirribilli House, including $13,000 on an imported luxury rug, paid for by the taxpayer.
  • Tried to silence the media to stop them criticising the upcoming private jet deal for politicians.
  • Changed the ministerial code of conduct so ministers no longer have to sell shares which create a conflict of interest.
  • Made Orwellian threats about cutting ABC funding because the government didn’t like one of their stories, and because their quality of journalism is too high, thereby creating competition which threatens the corporate newspaper duopoly (who are now floundering because they didn’t see the internet coming).
 

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Frydo manipulating information. Wash your mouths out. Honest as the day is long! :rolleyes:



btw. Been reliably informed Frydo is tossing millions at Kooyong. Paid models to hand out election material. Six trucks with signs telling the people about how good he is. Hoardings, signs everywhere you look. Material about the devastation the teal team would cause. Liberal HQ internal polling must have them worried. Get rid of the anti-Victorian federal treasurer who inflicted debt on us the like of which we haven't seen before and that is before Covid struck.
 
mill204 said:
Frydo manipulating information. Wash your mouths out. Honest as the day is long! :rolleyes:



btw. Been reliably informed Frydo is tossing millions at Kooyong. Paid models to hand out election material. Six trucks with signs telling the people about how good he is. Hoardings, signs everywhere you look. Material about the devastation the teal team would cause. Liberal HQ internal polling must have them worried. Get rid of the anti-Victorian federal treasurer who inflicted debt on us the like of which we haven't seen before and that is before Covid struck.
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Haven't seen the models. Only sad sack young libs, and confused retirees handing out how to vote.
Unless the models are the walking billboards. They dont look happy to be involved in the campaign either. How good are jobs!!!!!!

Certainly been spammed with more letterbox drops and mail. Received each and every pamplet. Plus additional personalised letter. Think wevare upto 20+.

My youngest son (1st time voter) also got a survey. It was supposed to take 30 seconds. Took closer to 30 minutes. He wrote a note at the bottom - Josh, heard you are not very good with numbers and estimating. PS you wont have a job when you get to read this.
 
Pie eyed said:
ROFL.
Or sell some water to Angus?
Or just outright give $34 million to a cult (Hillsong ) Morrison is a member of

Or

  • Broke an election promise by cutting $84 million from the ABC (again).
  • Exempted a facial recognition system storing data of innocent citizens from standard procurement policy disclosure rules. The excuse is a reliance on security through obscurity rather than actual security. Accuracy figures are also not published.
  • Increased the jail time for journalists who report on whistleblower’s truthful allegations by a factor of 10.
  • Refused to publish the percentage of calls to the veterans’ suicide help line which go unanswered, because that want negatively impact the brand of the private call centre operator.
  • Prohibited public servants from liking social media posts critical of the government, even if anonymous.
  • Failed to declare multiple $1600 Foxtel subscriptions gifted to ministers by a lobby group.
  • Gave $30 million to Foxtel to boost “under represented sports”, and was unable to explain why free-to-air channels didn’t get the money, because the decision was made without any emails, letter, or supporting documentation.
  • Paid a minister $273 per night to stay in his own home.
  • Prevented university newspapers from attending the release 0f multiple annual budgets like all other newspapers. These particular budgets contained multiple changes which negatively impact university students.
  • Refused to release the results for the trial of a national health register.
  • Spent over $3,500 to send a minister to watch the AFL with his wife.
  • Spent over $2,700 on a trip to watch polo.
  • Spent $10,000 per day to send a single minister to the USA.
  • Broke a promise to scrap free lifetime travel for former ministers. The excuse is that the government is to busy to pass legislation through parliament, despite that being the job of the government and of parliament.
  • Falsely advertised the closure of the Child Dental Benefits Schedule, despite Parliament rejecting the closure attempt.
  • Refused to publish the cost benefit analysis on the agriculture minister’s decision to move a federal agency from Canberra to his own electorate.
  • Personally appointed George Brandis’ son’s lawyer to a $370,000 job, without making a conflict of interest declaration.
  • Tried to privatise the database of ASIC (the corporate watchdog). Under private hands the cost journalists must pay to obtain information about potentially corrupt companies would increase.
  • Spent over $140,000 for 5 ministers to travel to a country we have no trade or diplomatic ties with, visiting tourist sites and dining in 5 star restaurants.
  • Refused to release 5 year old taxi receipts to assist in a fraud case, on the grounds that terrorists could use travel information from 5 years ago to help plan an attack against the minister in question.
  • Spent $10,000 to fly the family of 2 ministers to a tropical island for a weekend holiday.
  • Voted against a motion asking the Housing Affordability Inquiry to update the senate on how they are progressing with the recommendations the government supported.
  • Rejected an inquiry which recommended that citizens accused of tax fraud be treated as innocent until proven guilty.
  • Spent $30,000 on a private jet to fly one minister and their partner from Perth to Canberra (instead of catching a normal plane) because a non-business event ran overtime. This is despite the alleged budget emergency.
  • Voted against increasing transparency about how much tax large corporations pay.
  • Violated parliamentary anti-corruption rules by not declaring a substantial loan for almost 2 years.
  • Broke an election promise to conduct and publish a cost benefit analysis for all infrastructure projects over $100 million.
  • Spent over $20,000 in a legal fight in order to hide modelling for the impact of university fee deregulation.
  • Spent thousands of government dollars on taxi rides to the Opera in just 8 days. The government claims that the expenditure is reasonable because the minister didn’t pay for the tickets either.
  • Spent thousands of government dollars on limousine rides, and fudged the declaration paperwork to say they were taxi rides.
  • Spent $10,000 trying to chase down someone who leaked information to the media about how the Prime Minister deliberately and knowingly used false information to justify opposition to a defence force pay rise.
  • Spent $27,000 on travel expenses for politicians to attend free sports events.
  • Voted against a royal commission into corruption and misconduct in the financial service industry, following a series of scandals.
  • Reaped $1000 per month of government money to pay for Joe Hockey to stay in his wife’s house.
  • Proposed an exemption so that Australia’s richest companies no longer have to publish basic information about how much tax they are paying.
  • Accidentally leaked the personal details of 31 world leaders, and chose not to notify them. They still claim your metadata will be safe though.
  • Breached the criminal code of conduct by offering the independently appointed Human Rights Commissioner a new job if she resigned.
  • Flew across the country on a taxpayer funded private jet to attend the private birthday party of a millionaire who has made large donations to the Liberal party.
  • Refused to publish cost estimates for the data-retention policy which were provided by the industry.
  • Voted to keep the text of the China Free Trade deal secret from the public.
  • Abolished the $10,000 limit on political donations.
  • Broke the law by missing the deadline for publishing the Intergenerational Report, as stipulated by the Charter of Budget Honesty Act.
  • Spent $10,000 trying to identify a whistleblower who told the media that the Prime Minister knowingly mislead the public using information he knew was incorrect.
  • Started an online petition to stop job losses at the ABC, just 36 hours after cutting ABC funding by 5% (which broke an election promise).
  • Contracted out the managing of the Do Not Call Register to a marketing company.
  • Secretly and retrospectively changed the official record of what was said in parliament.
  • Broke an election promise by cutting ABC funding again ($120 million this time).
  • Spent $900,000 in just 2 months on private jet flights for ministers.
  • Forced all community TV stations off the air, claiming that moving online will be better for stations and viewers. Meanwhile they continue to fervently defend foreign corporate stations like HBO, who stubbornly refuse to make content accessible online.
  • Introduced new laws which mean Edward Snowden type leaks are punishable by up to 10 years of prison. No exemptions are made for anti-corruption leaks. If journalists report on anyone (including innocent bystanders) being killed accidentally or deliberately by security personnel, they will be jailed for up to 10 years.
  • Spent $50,000 on upgrades of curtains and upholstery for the Prime Minister’s office.
  • Moved to abolish the role of freedom of information commissioner, abolish the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner and charge $800 for reviews of Freedom of Information Request denials.
  • Refused to publish any submissions it received for or against the proposed changes to the Racial Discrimination Act, even though the government says the changes are to protect free speech. They refused to state what proportion of submissions supported the changes. The government defended this secrecy by claiming that all submissions were made with the expectation of confidentiality. This is false. The Senate Inquiry Submission Guidelines state that to make a Senate Inquiry Submission confidential, you must explicitly justify a request for confidentiality, and that such requests are generally denied.
  • Lied about the Australian Federal Police advising Tony Abbott not to visit Deakin University for safety reasons.
  • Gave the Minister for Infrastructure the power to silence Infrastructure Australia (an independent body) without justification. (See section 5A.2 of the link.)
  • Deliberately hid the cost of the $4.45 million renovations on The Lodge.
  • Spent $50,000 on one dinner for 60 G20 guests, including food specially flown to Washington from all over Australia.
  • Voted against the creation of a federal anti-corruption watchdog.
  • Cut $38 million from Australian television and film funding.
  • Broke an election promise by cutting $40 million from the SBS and ABC.
  • Broke an election promise to not cut ABC funding, by cutting all funding to the Australia Network (part of the ABC).
  • Claimed a 2.5% reduction in funding every year for the ABC is not a funding cut.
  • Increased the fee for lodging Freedom of Information requests.
  • Paid a public relataons company $97,000 for 3 weeks of work to help improve the Education Department’s image, then refused to release the report that came of it.
  • Proposed the scrapping of regulation which prevents media monopolies and duopolies.
  • Spent over $15,000 on a custom made bookcase to replace a $7,000 custom bookcase which holds $13,000 worth of taxpayer funded books and magazines in senator Brandis’ office.
  • Spent $22,000 taxpayer dollars buying new cutlery and crockery for the ministerial wing of parliament.
  • Chose not to mention a $882 million payout to News Corp. when outlining a $16.8 billion budget black hole. The payout was the single biggest item in the black hole.
  • Denied any wrongdoing after a government aid married to the head of a junk food lobby pulled down a government website providing simplified nutritional information within hours of its launch.
  • Violated Youtube’s policies regarding deceptive content, resulting in the suspension of Abbott’s whole channel.
  • Criticised the ABC because they aren’t biased towards the Government.
  • Spent over $120,000 on Kirribilli House, including $13,000 on an imported luxury rug, paid for by the taxpayer.
  • Tried to silence the media to stop them criticising the upcoming private jet deal for politicians.
  • Changed the ministerial code of conduct so ministers no longer have to sell shares which create a conflict of interest.
  • Made Orwellian threats about cutting ABC funding because the government didn’t like one of their stories, and because their quality of journalism is too high, thereby creating competition which threatens the corporate newspaper duopoly (who are now floundering because they didn’t see the internet coming).
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Yeah…but besides that he’s been ok?
 
I’m voting 1 Monique 2 ALP 3 onwards take your pick

Moniqu and ALP primaries might be similar so we need Monique to be second on primaries so all those 1 Monique 2 lib preferences never flow back to josh

It’s where my vote has most value
 
Pessimistic said:
Menzies grand daughter doesn’t want to live to see Kooyong not be liberal.

Mind you if she doesn’t make the trip from canberra, she won’t (the age)
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If I was her age I wouldn't be tempting fate like that.
 

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Major error by the Ryan campaign not to include preference recommendations on their HTV cards. It's all good telling people that they can choose their own preferences, but parties hand out HTV cards for a reason, there will always be a few people who don't number all the boxes. Could make a difference in a tight race.
 
RW said:
Major error by the Ryan campaign not to include preference recommendations on their HTV cards. It's all good telling people that they can choose their own preferences, but parties hand out HTV cards for a reason, there will always be a few people who don't number all the boxes. Could make a difference in a tight race.
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may not be a huge issue - AEC officials at my booth just now (Higgins, but Kooyong adjacent) were reminding everyone that you have to number every box
 
actually this gives me an idea why some pre-poll centres may be so heavy with volunteers

pre-poll venues often cater for multiple electorates. i wonder if the teams are not coordinating, so they are both sending volunteers and gear onsite

for example, the place I was at is on Glenferrie and High Street, so its in Higgins but Kooyong is just up the road past Toorak Road. Most voters were from Higgins, but a lot were in from Kooyong. is it possible both the Higgins and Kooyong campaigns sent people there??

this is just pure speculation, as most planning for grassroot campaigning isnt at the state level, but at the seat level.
 
Big on increasing debt. Big on handing mates in commerce our money when their profits increased. Big on bagging Victoria when State needed support. Big on cutting education support.



 
Ned_Flanders said:
actually this gives me an idea why some pre-poll centres may be so heavy with volunteers

pre-poll venues often cater for multiple electorates. i wonder if the teams are not coordinating, so they are both sending volunteers and gear onsite

for example, the place I was at is on Glenferrie and High Street, so its in Higgins but Kooyong is just up the road past Toorak Road. Most voters were from Higgins, but a lot were in from Kooyong. is it possible both the Higgins and Kooyong campaigns sent people there??

this is just pure speculation, as most planning for grassroot campaigning isnt at the state level, but at the seat level.
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My experience was the place where voters from the home electorate were sent was separate from the place those from other electorates were sent. And at the exit door, there were separate boxes for the local votes and those for other electorates with an electoral officer ensuring the votes went into the correct boxes.
 
mill204 said:
My experience was the place where voters from the home electorate were sent was separate from the place those from other electorates were sent. And at the exit door, there were separate boxes for the local votes and those for other electorates with an electoral officer ensuring the votes went into the correct boxes.
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separate boxes, yes. but venues tend to have only one main entrance to the polling centre (often a second one for mobility restricted people to bypass the queue)
 
Ned_Flanders said:
separate boxes, yes. but venues tend to have only one main entrance to the polling centre (often a second one for mobility restricted people to bypass the queue)
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There was one entrance but divided. Left were local voters. The right was those from outside the electorate. Some people were initially surprised that people from the right-hand line were going past them until the reason was explained. Quite orderly in my neck of the woods. Although they did run out of masks.
 
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