Traded Josh Schache [traded to Bulldogs]

[M Malice]

What would you consider fair and equal?

Lions give Schache and pick 18 for the Pies picks 6 and 38- Values Schache at pick 13.
Lions give Schache and pick 18 for the Dogs picks 9 and 28- Values Schache at pick 14.
Lions give Schache and pick 18 for the Saints picks 7 and 45- Values Schache at pick 18.
Lions give Schache to the Hawks for their 2018 1st rounder.

 

[juss]

Obviously not prepared to pay what Brisbane consider to be a "fair and equal" price for a 20 year contracted player taken at Pick 2 in the 2015 draft .

Yeh sorry but it's not that as much as you would like it to be. The kid has issues, if he didn't, clubs would be fighting over themselves to get him, there would not be any issue with outside interest. As it stands there's only a couple of clubs with fleeting interest.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Yet despite the U18 rules Schache still grabbed 21 contested marks from the 68 marks he took in 2016. 30%. Just under a third of all his marks.

Lance Franklin took 10 contested marks from his 75 marks (20 games) in his first season. 13%. Franklin took 6 contested marks (14 games) from his 53 marks in his second season (2006) 11%. Average 3.7 marks per game.

(Schache took 39 marks from 10 games in 2017. Average 3.9 marks per game)

Probably not the best comparison. For someone of his size Franklin is an average contested mark. Fortunately he has that athleticism.

 

[THE_GUN]

Fair & Equal price !!

Fair and equal price would be different depending on which side of the fence you sit on, But what is this fair and equal price

 

[Apex36]

Lions give Schache and pick 18 for the Pies picks 6 and 38- Values Schache at pick 13.
Lions give Schache and pick 18 for the Dogs picks 9 and 28- Values Schache at pick 14.
Lions give Schache and pick 18 for the Saints picks 7 and 45- Values Schache at pick 18.
Lions give Schache to the Hawks for their 2018 1st rounder.

Pies give 6 & 38 for 12 and Schache. Values Schache at 19. Much better.

 

[Roylion]

Yeh sorry but it's not that as much as you would like it to be.

Then the conclusion is obvious.

The kid has issues,

Media hyperbole, innuendo and unsubstianted rumour chiefly. But otherwise no different to Cameron, Weller and Lever, just to name a few for this year.

if he didn't, clubs would be fighting over themselves to get him, there would not be any issue with outside interest. As it stands there's only a couple of clubs with fleeting interest.

Then it's.....

 

[M Malice]

Pies give 6 & 38 for 12 and Schache. Values Schache at 19. Much better.

I would do that at a pinch if the club feels Josh really needs to get out of Brisbane for his state of mind. Lets us get 2 high end mids in, Davies-Uniacke and Brayshaw would be fantastic.

 

[Roylion]

Probably not the best comparison. For someone of his size Franklin is an average contested mark. Fortunately he has that athleticism.

And yet Franklin is a superstar of the game.

I think its a very good comparison. Schache is the same height (199 cm) and has the same athleticism as Franklin.

 

[BangyBangy]

Pies give 6 & 38 for 12 and Schache. Values Schache at 19. Much better.

I'll be very surprised if you don't take pick 6 to the draft.

Edit: But in terms of the deal itself, I think that's pretty good for both parties. Lions get two gun mids with picks 1 & 6. Only danger is having two picks in the Ballenden 'danger zone' 18 & 20. I'm assuming the Cameron deal doesn't get done.

 

[THE_GUN]

#6 Collingwood will take Coffield imo,Cant see them trading it

 

[CarterS]

and has the same athleticism as Franklin.

I wish this was the case but disagree



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[The Old Dark Navy's]

And yet Franklin is a superstar of the game.

I think its a very good comparison. Schache is the same height (199 cm) and has the same athleticism as Franklin.

I wasn't disputing Franklin being a superstar, just that it isn't based on his contested marking which is average.

Does Schache really move as well as Franklin? I'd be impressed if he could run away from opponents while bouncing down the wing. Is that what you expect to see from him?

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

17 and Miles for Schache and 42. Get it done boys.

After the reports that Richmond leaked out about his state, he won't be going there.

 

[TallyHawk]

The King twins are much better prospects than Schache

Yeah but what if they are gone by our 1st pick, Hawks have rebuilt their midfield with 21-24 year olds we need a KPF prospect in that age bracket.


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[M Malice]

Hipwood is more the moves like Franklin type on our list, Hippy is going to be an absolute superstar of the competition in a few years.

 

[Roylion]

I wasn't disputing Franklin being a superstar, just that it isn't based on his contested marking which is average.

Then why is Schache's value to the Lions as a forward being dismissed by the likes of Mick McGuane on the basis he supposedly can't take contested marks, because of the rules in the U18 competition. Neither did Franklin in his first two years and yet he is now considered an AFL superstar. Schache is supposedly a 'lemon"? Really?

Does Schache really move as well as Franklin? I'd be impressed if he could run away from opponents while bouncing down the wing. Is that what you expect to see from him?

He has a large tank in terms of endurance and moves well. His athleticism as such is obviously not as good as Lance Franklin's, but he has considerable athleticism and is an athletic forward in the mold of Franklin. He runs himself into the ground...runs a long way upfield. He and Harris Andrews were the best runners in the group in the 2017 pre-season.

 

[Apex36]

I'll be very surprised if you don't take pick 6 to the draft.

Edit: But in terms of the deal itself, I think that's pretty good for both parties. Lions get two gun mids with picks 1 & 6. Only danger is having two picks in the Ballenden 'danger zone' 18 & 20. I'm assuming the Cameron deal doesn't get done.

Yeah, it seems that way, but a deal like that would be mighty tempting. We could land Balta at 12 and suddenly our KPP stocks are looking pretty good.

 

[Apex36]

And yet Franklin is a superstar of the game.

I think its a very good comparison. Schache is the same height (199 cm) and has the same athleticism as Franklin.

Not even close to it. Hipwood is a closer match to Franklin.

 

[juss]

Then the conclusion is obvious.

Media hyperbole, innuendo and unsubstianted rumour chiefly. But otherwise no different to Cameron, Weller and Lever, just to name a few for this year.




Then it's.....

Yes thats fine, he'll stay a Lion for the next 2 years. There is obviously a lot of work to be done with him though, especially off field, and best of luck to both the club and player.

 

[Cronin]

And yet Franklin is a superstar of the game.

I think its a very good comparison. Schache is the same height (199 cm) and has the same athleticism as Franklin.

We'll take him for pick 22 or possibly 19 if that's ok?

 

[evo]

Jon Ralph‏Verified account @RalphyHeraldSun 4h4 hours ago
The Dogs had a look at Schache and according to the Lions have now said they aren't interested. Looks like he stays

 

[Apex36]

Jon Ralph‏Verified account @RalphyHeraldSun 4h4 hours ago
The Dogs had a look at Schache and according to the Lions have now said they aren't interested. Looks like he stays

Something definitely going on behind the scenes here. Hard to believe no club wants him.

 

[manboob]

Pies give 6 & 38 for 12 and Schache. Values Schache at 19. Much better.

I've got a better idea: The Cats just give the Lions pick 19

 

[richoatthedisco]

Lions give Schache and pick 18 for the Pies picks 6 and 38- Values Schache at pick 13.
Lions give Schache and pick 18 for the Dogs picks 9 and 28- Values Schache at pick 14.
Lions give Schache and pick 18 for the Saints picks 7 and 45- Values Schache at pick 18.
Lions give Schache to the Hawks for their 2018 1st rounder.

Lions give Schache for the Tigers' pick 17- Values Schache at pick 17.

 

[mad_doggy911]

Also mentioned that nobody has spoken to him about Schache and Josh has not had any interviews or medicals at any club,Wouldnt put a price on Josh but mentioned 4 times that Brisbane were happy to keep him.

Then why approach the kid and tell him if a suitable deal was presented you would consider - Really strange situation
Noble sounding slightly desperate in the interview and perhaps expected more interest than what has eventuated

If they have signed Schache with the intentions of increasing his value during a trade and that was their purpose of the re signing then they have played it very badly and have done more damage than good

Exactly. They've cracked the shits no one wants him. They resigned him with the intention of trading him.

Madness. Anyway I hope they enjoy being stuck with someone who doesn't want to be there.