Current Julie Cutler - Murder - 1988 - Cottesloe WA *To the Coroner

[BFew]

Inquest into the Suspected death of Julie CUTLER

https://www.coronerscourt.wa.gov.au/_files/Inquest_2023/CUTLER, Julie Leanne.pdf (49 pages)
'[2023] WACOR 19
JURISDICTION : CORONER'S COURT OF WESTERN AUSTRALIA
ACT : CORONERS ACT 1996
CORONER : SARAH HELEN LINTON, DEPUTY STATE CORONER HEARD :
3 - 4 NOVEMBER 2022 DELIVERED : 6 APRIL 2023
FILE NO/S : CORC 830 of 2019
DECEASED : CUTLER, JULIE LEANNE'

 

[SmartAlec]

Ms Cutler, a university student from Fremantle, vanished after leaving a staff function at the Sheraton Hotel in Perth at 9pm one night in 1988.

They were not murdered where they were found.

The overseas investigator told the POST that there was a high possibility that the Claremont murderer had been killing for many years before and was still operating.

It was likely he was the worst serial killer Australia had seen.

"He is highly organised, very, very clever and has his methods of entrapping and killing women down to a fine art," he said.

It was likely he had some sort of security or military training.

"I believe that many other women who are missing in WA or interstate are the work of the Claremont killer," he says.

http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/JulieCutler.htm

Any original newspaper clipping available for this?

From the Post apparently.

Seems relevant.

Doesn’t sound like the profile of someone.

More like someone mentioned.

Engaged in conversation.

Making evil plans.

Who can say when it falls.

 

[SmartAlec]

“I recently attended a talk about the psychological profile of the Claremont Serial Killer at Murdoch University, where the criminologist said someone from the SAS or armed forces would have the balls, stealth, strength and skills to carry it off,”

“That was the first I’d heard of that angle. Given that Campbell Barracks is right next to Claremont, and the Claremont is their local pub, I wondered why this hadn’t been explored more in the press.”

https://m.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/01/08/murder-perth-claremont_n_8936806.html

Criminologist expert discussing a possible ex military or SAS connection

 

[Dan Baker]

Ms Cutler, a university student from Fremantle, vanished after leaving a staff function at the Sheraton Hotel in Perth at 9pm one night in 1988.

They were not murdered where they were found.

The overseas investigator told the POST that there was a high possibility that the Claremont murderer had been killing for many years before and was still operating.

It was likely he was the worst serial killer Australia had seen.

"He is highly organised, very, very clever and has his methods of entrapping and killing women down to a fine art," he said.

It was likely he had some sort of security or military training.

"I believe that many other women who are missing in WA or interstate are the work of the Claremont killer," he says.

http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/JulieCutler.htm

Oh, hang on.

There appears an error in the reporting.

Julies disappearance was from the Parmelia hotel, not the Sheraton hotel.

Probably confusion over the other crime around the same time where a woman with the alias known only as Dorothy was abducted from The Sheraton(Adelaide tce), Hill st, (Julie Cutler was Mill st).

To my knowledge there is no information regarding Julie Cutler's flat adress in Fremantle where she was staying in a 'friends' flat.

 

[SmartAlec]

Posts just disappearing.

Was it the mainstream article (the Age) someone posted mentioning the ex SAS commando?

Or was it the Rossmo theory of where serial killers live?

Or the recent media link to the disappearance of Julie Cutler?

How very strange.

Evil falls suddenly.

 

[BlueE]

Posts just disappearing.

Was it the mainstream article (the Age) someone posted mentioning the ex SAS commando?

Or was it the Rossmo theory of where serial killers live?

Or the recent media link to the disappearance of Julie Cutler?

How very strange.

Evil falls suddenly.

It is strange. Tribunal busy with suspension and disqualification as well. I'm sure Dan will be back in 5 min tho.

Think your article on the SAS commander is still there. Looked at the Rossimo theory think and didn't think it fitted the current accused at all, or the maps posted on here. Other mapping murder theories fitted better. However this looks to be gone.

Wonder why?

 

[metic]

Yes Sir / Madam, i was a victim of having a frame shot post removed because of its link to another Webs-site , not approved by this site...............watch out PeteD .
One day off , ordered by the boss..
Remember the Crabs theory on a tilt truck placing the car in the ocean.....thats all,
I dont think it had a lot of merit anyways !??

 

[Kurve]

Posts just disappearing.

Evil falls suddenly

 

[metic]

Please use the quote system. Thats what it is there for.



That is correct, over and over and over showing off your weather diatribe.

There were no remnant clothing or possessions found in the car. No ripped evening gown, nothing.

Cigarette butts found in ash tray. That's all. I believe police forensics in saying she was not in the vehicle at the time of entering the water.

I don't believe Julie drove down the slip ramp across the sand and into the water at speed then climbed out the window in the night immersed in rough water, 2 days after her disappearance.

I believe Julies killer drove down the slipway into the water. Possibly someone with experience in doing this. Warner had a girl go missing from the Cott Surf club, but killer never found.

Santen is ex surf club member of Scarborough. They do hold inter-club comps. She went UWA.

Where was the car stashed on the night before being driven into water the night after? Why didn't she just drive it in the water the same night? What happened in between? Winter Solstice?

A male body rolled up on the beach 9 days later. There's your current modelling.




No and no. I only have issues in this thread and the CSK thread. The rest of the internets I don't have argument. Just here. With some people of dubious character.

My life is perfect. My best friend is a psych. She would let me know if I had mental issues. A police psych said I fall into the autism spectrum. We have known each other for years.

I have a personal interest in being here, and that is a private matter and no one else's business.

Quote DB:
"I only have issues in this thread and the CSK thread.
The rest of the internets I don't have argument.
Just here.
With some people of dubious character.
My life is perfect.
My best friend is a psych.
She would let me know if I had mental issues.
A police psych said I fall into the autism spectrum."

"A male body rolled up on the beach 9 days later.
There's your current modelling."

Where did the body roll up on the beach - can you explain ?
And which way did the current go - was it southward ?
This body may not have come from the ocean though we dont know.
Jmo

 

[metic]

We know you know weather Pete. But no one really cares.

Actually they do care....people are just trying to solve mysteries..
Is there a chance a tilt truck was used to put the car in the ocean?

 

[metic]

Evil falls suddenly

Who can say when it falls ?

 

[SmartAlec]

Probably deleting some abusive posts

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That’s disappointing.

He’s one of a very select few that made any sense.

Shame the Rossmo data was deleted.

It determines where serial killers live.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rossmo's_formula

 

[GreyCrow]

Its in the forum rules and in the rules for this board. It has been continuously applied as well.

You cant post links from other forums. You cant post screenshots from other forums. You can post newspaper clippings or pages from wiki etc. Read the rules

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/updated-crime-board-rules-read-before-posting.1187378/



The posting has been first class lately. Lets continue it

 

[SmartAlec]

Think your article on the SAS commander is still there. Looked at the Rossimo theory think and didn't think it fitted the current accused at all, or the maps posted on here. Other mapping murder theories fitted better. However this looks to be gone.

Wonder why?

Dunno.

It’s not there - it was the Age article which talked about the former Australian SAS commando - with US links - doing a risk assessment with two associates.

Why did you think the Rossmo theory had any reference to the current accused?

We are on the Julie Cutler thread.

Not sure how you can say it doesn’t fit - are you a criminologist profiler?

 

[theartofwar]

That’s disappointing.

He’s one of a very select few that made any sense.

Shame the Rossmo data was deleted.

It determines where serial killers live.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rossmo's_formula

In the case below, the guy that invented the theory had data related to five rapes and their locations and thought it wasn't enough for an accurate analysis.

How are you going to use his theory to solve the disappearance of JC? What other details are you going to input to arrive at the SK's location? (location at the time, not the SK's current day location, if it even is a SK)

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/mapping-murder
"Initially, I thought that geographic profiling would be of limited use there," Rossmo recalls. "I only had data related to the five rapes, which isn't enough for an accurate analysis."

 

[SmartAlec]

David Everett, James Reynolds and a yet unknown fugitive, presumed by Police to be another former SAS commando?

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...g-murdered-SK-victims&p=14102996#post14102996

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Interesting theory someone has developed Pete.

Have to check with military sources and available records.

Wonder if they served in Squadron 3?

Former and current SASR personnel would be, let’s say it politely, rather displeased with criminals in their ranks.

Let’s see what the sources have to say - perhaps might send them the brief and see their reaction

 

[SmartAlec]

In the case below, the guy that invented the theory had data related to five rapes and their locations and thought it wasn't enough for an accurate analysis.

How are you going to use his theory to solve the disappearance of JC? What other details are you going to input to arrive at the SK's location? (location at the time, not the SK's current day location, if it even is a SK)

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/mapping-murder
"Initially, I thought that geographic profiling would be of limited use there," Rossmo recalls. "I only had data related to the five rapes, which isn't enough for an accurate analysis."

The data plotted either the murder or disappearance of multiple women in Perth including JC.

The Rossmo theory determined those locations in the deleted map was where SK lived.

Interestingly it also correlated to suburbs that Droc had mentioned.

It is also interesting where the Birnies lived and their disposal sites of the innocent women that they had r*ped, tortured and murdered.

North and south D-sites of their southern Perth suburb of Willagee.

Try Rossmo on that.

Let’s see how accurate the map turns out to be in due course.

 

[theartofwar]

The data plotted either the murder or disappearance of multiple women in Perth including JC.

The Rossmo theory determined those locations in the deleted map was where SK lived.

Interestingly it also correlated to suburbs that Droc had mentioned.

It is also interesting where the Birnies lived and their disposal sites of the innocent women that they had r*ped, tortured and murdered.

North and south D-sites of their southern Perth suburb of Willagee.

Try Rossmo on that.

Let’s see how accurate the map turns out to be in due course.

How did it correlate? What was the probability/percentage of the suburbs Droc listed?

Droc only referred to two cases in all his postings - CSK murders and Gerard Ross.

So why have you put JC and other missing women data points into this equation and then had a go at BlueE for thinking that you were referring to the CSK current accused?

 

[GreyCrow]

The data plotted either the murder or disappearance of multiple women in Perth including JC.

The Rossmo theory determined those locations in the deleted map was where SK lived.

Interestingly it also correlated to suburbs that Droc had mentioned.

It is also interesting where the Birnies lived and their disposal sites of the innocent women that they had r*ped, tortured and murdered.

North and south D-sites of their southern Perth suburb of Willagee.

Try Rossmo on that.

Let’s see how accurate the map turns out to be in due course.

A lot of this stuff is done in hindsight and as a learning tool it can be handy for future references. But the biggest issue is knowing the data that fits. Its all well and good inputting ALL missing women. But what if they are not dead just run aways? Are they victims of the same murderer? The data is skewed

Not saying the idea behind it is not useful but it must be treated with caution

As an aside I assume the deleted post was because it dealt with the CSK and this is the Julie Cutler thread. The Rossmo detail included data which was based on false data

 

[SmartAlec]

How did it correlate? What was the probability/percentage of the suburbs Droc listed?

Droc only referred to two cases in all his postings - CSK murders and Gerard Ross.

So why have you put JC and other missing women data points into this equation and then had a go at BlueE for thinking that you were referring to the CSK current accused?

Droc did not only mention two murders.

Read his final post.

He mentioned more.

And others have posted a list of missing and murdered women in Greater Perth.

The data set for the Rossmo map had missing and murdered women including JC.

 

[SmartAlec]

As an aside I assume the deleted post was because it dealt with the CSK and this is the Julie Cutler thread. The Rossmo detail included data which was based on false data

Saying it dealt with the CSK murder victims is absolutely wrong.

The Rossmo was based on missing and murdered women including JC.

And it plotted where it predicted SK lived.

Shame the map was deleted.

 

[GreyCrow]

Saying it dealt with the CSK is wrong.

The Rossmo theory was based on missing and murdered women including JC.

And it plotted where it predicted SK lived.

Because it assumed all the women were dead and the victim of the same perpetrator. The Rossmo theory was indeed predicated on the CSK being responsible for Cutler et al

 

[SmartAlec]

Because it assumed all the women were dead and the victim of the same perpetrator. The Rossmo theory was indeed predicated on the CSK being responsible for Cutler et al

Wrong again on multiple fronts.

 

[GreyCrow]

Wrong again on multiple fronts.

So show me where it is incorrect

 

[SmartAlec]

So show me where it is incorrect

Thats what the data shows.

Rossmo predicted that the southern suburbs of Perth is where SK lives.

Could be more specific - but the data is now with the authorities and other (very) interested parties to see if they draw the same conclusions.

Let’s see if Rossmo was right.

 

[GreyCrow]

Not sure what your problem is but that’s what the data shows.

Rossmo predicted that the southern suburbs of Perth is where SK lives.

Let’s see if Rossmo was right.

But its filled with false data. Are you stating that Julie Cutler was murdered by the person currently charged? If he is not then the data is incorrect. Its logical