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Stumbled over an ABC radio transcript, Background Briefing.

The police didn't just suggest to the Cutler family their daughter may have been one of the CSK's early victims. They told the ABC the same thing.


"They have also told Background Briefing that they believe that another disappearance, that of 22-year-old Julie Cutler almost a decade earlier, in 1988, is connected."

25 June, 2000

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational...ge-of-our-convictions---the-claremont/3473202

Will we hear why they have come to that conclusion? What evidence might they have ?
 

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I'm not saying they were right petedavo in that the CSK is responsible for Julie Cutler. They obviously got a lot wrong over the years.
There's a few possible theories as to what happened to Julie. To me, it'll depend upon which circumstances are related or are just coincidental. eg, the break in, the car on Stirling Highway, the couple leaving the Parmelia, the female making the phone call, the cigarette butts, the back seat and the bag of clothes. If only there was a way to know, and since no one has come forward to explain one or any other away, I'm inclined towards having to assume that they are directly related to her disappearance. However there's another theory backed by some circumstantial evidence, but it would mean some of those things are not related. That is the person with an antecedent of road rage working in a position to access a person's particulars from a license plate, that could be shown to of been stationed at a work location on Stirling highway in in evidence presented to the Pamela Lawrence inquiry years later. However I don't think that this theory has much to support it unless some of these other circumstances I mentioned are proven to be unrelated. Likewise, even more of these circumstances would appear to suggest that Julie's disappearance is unrelated to what is known about the CSK case as well.
 
Apparently SAS commandos going rogue and getting into criminal activities is not so uncommon. Here's Chris Ryan, a former UK SAS commando mentioning the issue in a media interview.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...s-when-the-aggression-comes-out-34952107.html
Ryan says he saw many misdemeanours during his time in the regiment.

"There were people who would sell ammunition, there were people who had dubious backgrounds in terms of who they were mixing with outside of hours of the regiment, like family and friends involved in gangs, or organised crime. There were guys that were probably bordering upon being slightly unstable - psychopathic."
 
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Apparently SAS commandos going rogue and getting into criminal activities is not so uncommon. Here's Chris Ryan, a former UK SAS commando mentioning the issue in a media interview.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...s-when-the-aggression-comes-out-34952107.html
Ryan says he saw many misdemeanours during his time in the regiment.

"There were people who would sell ammunition, there were people who had dubious backgrounds in terms of who they were mixing with outside of hours of the regiment, like family and friends involved in gangs, or organised crime. There were guys that were probably bordering upon being slightly unstable - psychopathic."
There is an argument that only the most narcissistic and psychopathic make the grade. I think Andy McNabb said he had 2 paths to choose as a teenager.
 
That Dorothy woman abducted from Sheraton in 1988.
Bashed for 3 hours. Dumped on Centenary Ave in yellow car.
Was that within how many weeks of Julie Cutler?
Then another Sheraton staff attack in 1993.
Where next...
 
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That Dorothy woman abducted from Sheraton in 1988.
Bashed for 3 hours. Dumped on Centenary Ave in yellow car.
Was that within how many weeks of Julie Cutler?
What would be the chances of a yet to be identified serial stalker of Nightclub and Hotel workers though? Did Dorothy have any one stalking her like Julie did, that she hadn't twigged as being connected? I'll include a List of nightclubs from that era. Maybe it'll twig someone's memories of similar incidents. https://www.watoday.com.au/national...d-perths-nightclub-scene-20160525-gp3jkm.html
 

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All the girls we discuss leave nightclubs on their own before disappearing.
Dorothy abducted.
 
I saw this on a Julie Cutler Facebook post at the time the case was last in the news recently. Not sure if it has already been posted in here, apologies if it was...
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I saw this on a Julie Cutler Facebook post at the time the case was last in the news recently. Not sure if it has already been posted in here, apologies if it was...
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If true. If it was ever reported by the victim to the police at the time.. If the Police could retrieve the case.. (they might need her to contact cold case detectives now, because current detectives might not even be aware of it or be able to find it)... and her former car can be located for forensic testing... or items from the case could be retrieved from Exhibit handling unit (if they were kept). This case might just be a key to solving the disappearance of Julie Cutler and other similar attacks and abductions, like Those on Adelaide Tce, and even Kerry Turner. It may or may not tie into the CSK case. I'd imagine if it does, then it might provide some clues as to where Sarah Spiers and Julie Cutler might be... In as much as this differentiates from locations of Ciara Glennon and Jane Rimmer, but points toward similarities in geolocation by clumping sites south east, Centenary Avenue, Belmont Forum, Canning Dam..., without any regard to going to any great extent to hide the victims from being found. One could make the case that that MO has similarities to Karrakatta, and Wellard, and that site on the way to the Alkimos wreck. It's always been a viable theory to explain Julie Cutler's disappearance, and this case might be a key... if the break in at her residence, the car on Stirling highway and the bag of clothes are just coincidences... or possibly just a perpetrator that has no particular defined MO from one series of crimes to another, and maybe doesn't care about sticking to any particular routine, which might lead one to wonder if he was happy enough to have accomplices or not on any particular crime spree... which this argument itself would lead to considering the Claremont subway attack, Lakeway drive-in, the train station one, even Mosman Park nanny rape, and numerous others as all being open to the possibility of being connected to people associated in some way to perpetration of the CSK, either directly or associated. The choice of dump site (if the anecdote from facebook is true) certainly piques the possibility to extrapolate this theory, however it must be noted, that in all likelihood, the CSK accused was years away from living in Kewdale then, although he did work there, but even that might've been after the earlier events.
 
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I wouldnt take much notice of anything not reported to police or not in the media.
There has been that many stories made up about the Perth missing girls its a joke.
 

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Besides someone finding SS's ID too many times to count, I cant think of any stories I've heard about any missing girls from WA.

The old somone was renovating a Ford Falcon and found a wallet under the seat with Sarahs ID in it?
I must say I fell for that one because the person that told me said it was a mate of an employee.

Maybe you are too distant from the crime in the early days before police locked down the leaks?
Early in the crime people would talk about it especially when the media published a story. You didn't even have to hold an interest. It was barbecue conversation with other people.
 
Besides someone finding SS's ID too many times to count, I cant think of any stories I've heard about any missing girls from WA.

It won't surprise me if there's something in the story SS's might have been found, there has to be something in the way of evidence we haven't been told about. There is no body. If all they've got is Sarah called a taxi and wasn't there when it showed up, they've got squat. I don't even know how a charge was laid on that.
 
It won't surprise me if there's something in the story SS's might have been found, there has to be something in the way of evidence we haven't been told about. There is no body. If all they've got is Sarah called a taxi and wasn't there when it showed up, they've got squat. I don't even know how a charge was laid on that.
Agree. If all they can do is link the 3 by circumstance then its shaky. There must be something else.
 
The old somone was renovating a Ford Falcon and found a wallet under the seat with Sarahs ID in it?
I must say I fell for that one because the person that told me said it was a mate of an employee.

Maybe you are too distant from the crime in the early days before police locked down the leaks?
Early in the crime people would talk about it especially when the media published a story. You didn't even have to hold an interest. It was barbecue conversation with other people.
The SS id being found was discounted by police. The West Australian 20 March 2009 inside cover

"Our rumour-weary police groupie suggested we ring Garry Nicolau, boss of the special crime squad investigating the suspected abductions and murders of Spiers, Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon.

Nicolau told Inside Cover the rumour of a breakthrough in the case had been doing the rounds of the internet and SMS messaging in recent days.

“There is no truth in it — we have no vehicle, no ID and no purse,” Nicolau said."
 
Agree. If all they can do is link the 3 by circumstance then its shaky. There must be something else.
I think we'd have to wait until the trial before it's reported in MSM. Maybe some witness testimony then can be used to sleuth any theory that Julie Cutler's disappearance being CSK related. But at present, the circumstances surrounding her disappearance IMO suggests it's not.
 
IMO Brian Cutler has had a lot of loss to deal with. For example this is the death notices for his second wife, Julie's step mother. http://thewest2.smedia.com.au/Olive/APA/thewest-archives/SharedView.Article.aspx?href=WAN/2011/02/24&id=Ar04802&sk=1F7CE3A0
Let's hope that Julie's disappearance can be solved, and some closure can be given to Roger before his time ends. This has to be solvable. IMO someone has to come forward and tell police what they know, because I don't think this could've been done by someone without a means of transportation away from Cottesloe waiting for them. I hope that seeing this death notice might pique their conscience. image (1)_1.jpg
 
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If true. If it was ever reported by the victim to the police at the time.. If the Police could retrieve the case.. (they might need her to contact cold case detectives now, because current detectives might not even be aware of it or be able to find it)... and her former car can be located for forensic testing... or items from the case could be retrieved from Exhibit handling unit (if they were kept). This case might just be a key to solving the disappearance of Julie Cutler and other similar attacks and abductions, like Those on Adelaide Tce, and even Kerry Turner. It may or may not tie into the CSK case. I'd imagine if it does, then it might provide some clues as to where Sarah Spiers and Julie Cutler might be... In as much as this differentiates from locations of Ciara Glennon and Jane Rimmer, but points toward similarities in geolocation by clumping sites south east, Centenary Avenue, Belmont Forum, Canning Dam..., without any regard to going to any great extent to hide the victims from being found. One could make the case that that MO has similarities to Karrakatta, and Wellard, and that site on the way to the Alkimos wreck. It's always been a viable theory to explain Julie Cutler's disappearance, and this case might be a key... if the break in at her residence, the car on Stirling highway and the bag of clothes are just coincidences... or possibly just a perpetrator that has no particular defined MO from one series of crimes to another, and maybe doesn't care about sticking to any particular routine, which might lead one to wonder if he was happy enough to have accomplices or not on any particular crime spree... which this argument itself would lead to considering the Claremont subway attack, Lakeway drive-in, the train station one, even Mosman Park nanny rape, and numerous others as all being open to the possibility of being connected to people associated in some way to perpetration of the CSK, either directly or associated. The choice of dump site (if the anecdote from facebook is true) certainly piques the possibility to extrapolate this theory, however it must be noted, that in all likelihood, the CSK accused was years away from living in Kewdale then, although he did work there, but even that might've been after the earlier events.
The nanny rape doesn't look like him at all IMO.
Id say if the German au pair had an inkling, this would be bundled in with other charges.
The question is, how is there not DNA on the body of the victim?

Yeah none of the evidence we have is close to a conviction.
 
There has been that many stories made up about the Perth missing girls its a joke.

Besides someone finding SS's ID too many times to count, I cant think of any stories I've heard about any missing girls from WA.

Maybe you are too distant from the crime in the early days before police locked down the leaks?
Early in the crime people would talk about it especially when the media published a story. You didn't even have to hold an interest. It was barbecue conversation with other people.
Do you notice the irony in your response suggesting I may have been too distant from the crime to have heard stories about it, despite it being the topic of discussion at BBQs by people who held no interest at all?

Which crime are you referring to now?

How does that relate to my comment that I'd not heard of any stories (plural) from that many made up about the Perth missing girls (plural), which was what you said?
 
Do you notice the irony in your response suggesting I may have been too distant from the crime to have heard stories about it, despite it being the topic of discussion at BBQs by people who held no interest at all?

Which crime are you referring to now?

How does that relate to my comment that I'd not heard of any stories (plural) from that many made up about the Perth missing girls (plural), which was what you said?
All of the above. If you hadn't heard rumours, you didn't live in Perth.
 
The nanny rape doesn't look like him at all IMO.
Id say if the German au pair had an inkling, this would be bundled in with other charges.
The question is, how is there not DNA on the body of the victim?

Yeah none of the evidence we have is close to a conviction.

But the evidence that police have probably provides a bigger picture.
Hopefully evidence that comes out in the future trial discounts a connection with the Claremont murders as it was felt by police before there was a possibility connection.

Lets face it, police have one hundred fold the info than us..
 
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All of the above. If you hadn't heard rumours, you didn't live in Perth.
Stop it, you know nothing about which you speak! I'd put money on you not even being old enough to have sat around at a BBQ discussing half of these disappearances when they occurred.

Now you're backpedaling & rather than just tell me which crime you were referring to specifically that you say I mustn't have been close enough to remember, now its all of them & I wasn't in Perth?

Well Melsy, I most definitely was here & Im old enough to remember most of them clearly. I stand by not recalling any specific stories being discussed & definitely none that have been persistent many years later nor in any volume that might consider them being referred to as a joke.

And Melsy... I dont think you do either! I'll claim its another instance of you just saying whatever comes out without a second thought whether its valid, accurate or otherwise & I think I preferred it when your silence told me that.

Btw, Dorothy's incident was 28th May 1988.... seeing you asked.
 

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