Jumper clash fails

[peetoo]

This. As with the GWS home guernsey, I think the Collingwood home guernsey could be better. I think narrower stripes look better and more black on the front than white. But - again - that's their home guernsey. Deal with it. And if you're a team (like mine) whose official colours only contain black/navy and white, think about using a different colour for those away games. Teams do all sorts of creative stuff for Indigenous Round, Anzac Round, some for Pride Round. The world's not going to end if you wear a different coloured jumper for maybe one or two games in a season.



Not sure the clash would have been any better against GWS (probably would have been worse). Probably the best combination, if we're only sticking to home and clash guernseys is both teams in their clashes, Hawthorn in brown shorts, GWS in white. Which is obviously problematic for a GWS home game. So the obvious solution would seem to me to be for Hawthorn to keep its white retro (or a similar white variant - they've had several) as a third option and worn it yesterday. That would have worked fine.

All very well, but here is a case where the push for alternate strips has CAUSED the issue
Mind you GWS main jumper with dart front and light back is problematic too

 

[Orange Agent]

yes this ain't great. Giants should have gone the charcoal

We wore our home jumper, away teams need to change for clashes.

 

[Orange Agent]

The gws home jumper should have a charcoal back. Or their home shorts should be orange.

Pick one or other

They should have a charcoal kit and an orange kit - and if orange is clash, then white shorts is fine.

We do. We wore our home jumper yesterday, which every home team should have the right to do. On top of that we have 2 away jumpers, one is mostly grey and the other mostly orange.

 

[peetoo]

We wore our home jumper, away teams need to change for clashes.

Same in the fixture a few weeks ago. Changing to a clash jumper more similar is a impractical answer, you do see that?

 

[Billy ray]

v or

v or

v

surely one of the latter two would have been better?

 

[Orange Agent]

Same in the fixture a few weeks ago. Changing to a clash jumper more similar is a impractical answer, you do see that?

What is Hawthorns clash strip? The legends jersey or the retro one?

 

[peetoo]

What is Hawthorns clash strip? The legends jersey or the retro one?

Not sure. In practice don’t really need one. Apart from GWS. If GWS had distinctive strip hawks could nail it.
It was more contrast when both used ‘home strip’

Disingenuous tho have more than one alternate strip just to accommodate GWS. Home or away last 3 out of 4 games weren’t even in Melbourne or Sydney

In any case not crazy enough to design a clash strip which makes the closest clash actually worse?

 

[Orange Agent]

Not sure. In practice don’t really need one. Apart from GWS. If GWS had distinctive strip hawks could nail it.
It was more contrast when both used ‘home strip’

Disingenuous tho have more than one alternate strip just to accommodate GWS. Home or away last 3 out of 4 games weren’t even in Melbourne or Sydney

In any case not crazy enough to design a clash strip which makes the closest clash actually worse?

More McGuire BS.

Every club needs one.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

What is Hawthorns clash strip? The legends jersey or the retro one?

Should be "whichever does the better job". Good to have options.

 

[terrybull]

Orange v Yellow. LOL.

Actually more like orange vs light orange.

Richmond are more true yellow though a fluorescent version….

 

[KissKiss]

View attachment 2069559 v View attachment 2069561or

View attachment 2069559v View attachment 2069562 or

View attachment 2069559v View attachment 2069563

surely one of the latter two would have been better?

That really again demonstrates why the half/half options are so annoying. Being half orange and half dark looks stupid and makes it so much harder to contrast with.

Would be so much better if they went with one all charcoal and one all orange strip.

 

[peetoo]

That really again demonstrates why the half/half options are so annoying. Being half orange and half dark looks stupid and makes it so much harder to contrast with.

Would be so much better if they went with one all charcoal and one all orange strip.

But apparently it’s Hawthorns fault for not anticipating GWS would choose a clash strip which is actually closer in tone

 

[kickazz]

View attachment 2069559 v View attachment 2069561or

View attachment 2069559v View attachment 2069562 or

View attachment 2069559v View attachment 2069563

surely one of the latter two would have been better?

Said earlier that I seem to find the top one not too bad surprisingly, but the third one might be better. (Though dark charcoal and dark brown maybe not so good)

 

[phantom13]

But apparently it’s Hawthorns fault for not anticipating GWS would choose a clash strip which is actually closer in tone

Didn’t Gws wear their home kit?

In any event GWS would nominate what they wore, Hawthorn adjusts accordingly.

You can argue he afl ****ed up but blaming GWS, who was at home, real dumb.

 

[The Mailman Delivers]

The issue with the old firm is largely historical. In particular, some of the most iconic events in Australian Football are between Carlton and Collingwood, and Carlton have always been in the navy guernsey in these games.

Yep, and further to that, if I'm not mistaken, the vast majority of those famous memories would have featured the Pies with a predominantly white back with black numbers.

So if the league's goal with this fixture is to leave it untouched in an attempt to pay respect to the history and tradition of the occasion, then they are failing miserably by allowing the Pies to wear their darker kit.

 

[doppleganger]

This is a lie.

From 2001-2020 Collingwood had a mostly black front jumper. Carlton have worn their clash against Collingwood zero times (correct me if I’m wrong).

So I agree the Pies current jumper makes it tricky but Carlton wouldn’t wear their clash regardless.

The bloke is deluded.

Carlton serve up the same crap when away to Essendon, Richmond and Collingwood.

But then are happy to play in white against Port.

It is a joke that they acknowledge they clash with a black based Port, but somehow dont clash against black based Ess, Rich and Pies.

A complete farce and everybody knows it.

 

[doppleganger]

Who said it was to be untouched?

Collingwood is still black and white stripes. Carlton in white is a different guernsey.

Carlton will do anything for $$$$

 

[doppleganger]

Your beef is with the wrong party.

The AFL runs the League. Not the clubs.

Yes, that is the entire reason and premise for the thread.

It is a farce that the AFL doesnt have a proper policy that is consistently applied.

It is very easy to group teams and say that that if you are a black / navy / dark based team that you must use a full alternate / clash strip when away to another black / navy / dark team.

It should ALWAYS be on the away team to ensure their is no clash, put Carlton in white when away to Richmond and Essendon like they are when away to Freo and Port.

And if people think white clashes with Collingwood then Carlton can bring out baby blue, or yellow or orange clash kit.

The onus should be on the away team not to clash with the home team.

Carlton / Rich / Ess should never be seen in preferred dark jumper with white shorts. They either dont clash, in which case use the full dark kit, or their is a jumper clash and they need an alternate kit.

 

[Commando]

I've never understood why the AFL don't tell clubs to have a home/away/clash strip?

The third is obviously a completely separate colour and then they mandate who wears what in every game

With the amount of money TV tips in this should be a non negotiable
Actually differentiating the teams playing

 

[oak79]

I've never understood why the AFL don't tell clubs to have a home/away/clash strip?

The third is obviously a completely separate colour and then they mandate who wears what in every game

With the amount of money TV tips in this should be a non negotiable
Actually differentiating the teams playing

Don't need 3

Just main (Home) / clash.

ie Freo away - wear main v Cats, wear clash v Carlton

The problem isn't that clubs don't have a clash, it's that the AFL doesn't direct clubs (ie Carlton) to wear it.

 

[Soggy2112]

Don't need 3

Just main (Home) / clash.

ie Freo away - wear main v Cats, wear clash v Carlton

The problem isn't that clubs don't have a clash, it's that the AFL doesn't direct clubs (ie Carlton) to wear it.

Rule should probably be that you have to have a white kit or three kits all with a different base colour.

E.g. Freo’s purple and white is fine. Crows either have a white clash or need a yellow and red kit (which we had in 2021, don’t understand why we ditched it).

 

[Commando]

Don't need 3

Just main (Home) / clash.

ie Freo away - wear main v Cats, wear clash v Carlton

The problem isn't that clubs don't have a clash, it's that the AFL doesn't direct clubs (ie Carlton) to wear it.

Going by the soccer model everyone is required to have a third kit
Neutral colour, no complaints

 

[phantom13]

Going by the soccer model everyone is required to have a third kit
Neutral colour, no complaints

Yeh, in reality someone like Melbourne with their clash is likely to still have some issues.

3 kits and I stand by my “if you’re away you don’t wear your home kit, ever. Away (2nd) or clash (3rd).

 

[doppleganger]

Yeh, in reality someone like Melbourne with their clash is likely to still have some issues.

3 kits and I stand by my “if you’re away you don’t wear your home kit, ever. Away (2nd) or clash (3rd).

Disagree with that, and think need to change terminology too.

It isn't home or away kits - it should be preferred and alternate kits.

You use your preferred kit as much as you can.

No reason why if Carlton away to Sydney or GC that they should not play in their preferred full navy blue kit.

If two teams preferred kits dont clash, both should play in full preferred kit.

 

[Billy ray]

Carlton could have 5 kits. A white clash. A yellow clash. Baby blue clash. Red clash.
Wont matter as they are not for big 4 away games