Coach Justin Longmuir Pt 2

[DocT]

Treacys got a bit of junkyard dog in there

Agreed, I think he's too young/inexperienced to be captain and still has a few things to prove in that regard too. But watch that space!

The fact that people assume JL is not a hard ass because he doesn't yell or show aggressiveness. Everything you said in those first 3 paragraphs is exactly my point.

None of us know exactly how critical or challenging JL is, people assume he is not those things because he doesnt put holes in walls.

Age is not an excuse its a reason. You dont win flags when all 3 of your key forwards are in the under 22 squad.

Sorry Boomer but you're over-simplifying the conversation to a large extent. Mongrel does not mean screaming/yelling. But showing aggressiveness? You bet it does. No premiership was ever won without aggression.

Both Stingbitten's and my posts referenced the need for mongrel in the leadership, not necessarily the coach.

No-one with any brain is raising question marks about JLo's coaching because of our failure to win a premiership with 3 key forwards under 22.

 

[StingBitten]

JL isn’t a good or bad coach, he’s an average coach. He’s so middle of the road.

53-2-52 record over 5 years with a win percentage of 49.53%. Average.

12th, 11th, 5th, 14th, 10th over 5 years for an average finishing position of 10th. Average.

We haven’t bottomed out under JL, but we’ve finished in that 10th-14th zone 4/5 of the years under JL. 2022 has become the clear outlier season, and the exception does not prove the rule.

With emphasis on the 5 years part. This isn’t a rash judgement made over 1 or 2 seasons, we have 5 years of data to determine he’s average. Half a decade is a long time.

The same re-occurring issues on game day that have been prevalent all year, some of which have been present for multiple years. Slow starts, 4th quarter capitulations, over-usage of the handball with makes us susceptible to high-pressure teams, and a tendency for our defenders to start playing kick-to-kick whenever the heat turns up, with a complete inability to get the ball out of our back half.

And that’s not mentioning the bizarre selection decisions, playing the same under-performers week in and week out, whilst others are persona non grata and banished to the Peel realm.

People think because we rarely get blown out means we are a good team, but that’s because we play a very stagnant, overly controlled style that limits scoring, which means we rarely get blown out, but also means we rarely blow teams out, meaning our opposition is always a chance, as seen by our multiple 4th quarter chokes this season.

We also just don’t handle the tight games situations. 1-1-7 in games decided by 15 points or less this year. That’s more then just bad luck.

I don’t buy the age or experience excuse. In that Port game, 3 of Port’s best players were Butters, Horne-Francis and L.Evans. An average 62 games and an average age of 20.6 between them.

I also don’t buy the injuries excuse. Carlton had half their team injured for significant portions of the season, and still they made finals over us.

Good teams find a way despite the hardships, and bad teams make excuses. And at the moment, I’m seeing a lot of the same old tired excuses from this fanbase that has come to not only accept but celebrate mediocrity.

People saying 2025 is make or break for JL. Why was this year not make or break? How long are we going to keep delaying the inevitable? That 1 year contract extension at the start of the year was useless, here we are with another season down the drain and in no different a position than we were this time last year.

JL was the coach to get us out of the hole we were in, but he’s not the coach to take us to where we want to be. Even with Bolton and others coming in next season, I don’t think much changes.

Brilliant post and you've provided some hard hitting facts that are incredibly telling.

Couldn't agree more, this season was a massive fail and if the club had any backbone they'd move JL on in the next month.

 

[james haish]

Does Lachie even become a brownlow medallist if not for the coaching of Ross Lyon?





It's no surprise someone with the desire and drive for ultimate success leaves Freo and you incredible thinkers are trying to blame it on the only guy that ever brought a modicum of success in the first place.

I don't think the best thing you can say about Ross Lyon is that players he once coached end up winning a Brownlow when they were no longer coached by him.

 

[chaosball32]

Brilliant post and you've provided some hard hitting facts that are incredibly telling.

Couldn't agree more, this season was a massive fail and if the club had any backbone they'd move JL on in the next month.

Thanks mate, I could go on and on but we would be here all night.

I don’t have anything against JL, for what it’s worth I think he’s doing a better job then Ross Lyon did in his last few years here, in terms of both on field results and the culture at the club. I just think it’s obvious he’s not the guy to get us to where we should be, and 5 years of data backs me on that.

They won’t move him on unfortunately, it’s becoming increasingly like a boys club with Garlick and Brierty just backing JL no matter what and setting zero expectations. The club as a whole lacks ruthlessness and that’s why we continue to flounder in that 10th to 14th range. There is no pressure to perform, everyone is way too comfortable.

 

[oldgoat]

JL isn’t a good or bad coach, he’s an average coach. He’s so middle of the road.

53-2-52 record over 5 years with a win percentage of 49.53%. Average.

12th, 11th, 5th, 14th, 10th over 5 years for an average finishing position of 10th. Average.

We haven’t bottomed out under JL, but we’ve finished in that 10th-14th zone 4/5 of the years under JL. 2022 has become the clear outlier season, and the exception does not prove the rule.

With emphasis on the 5 years part. This isn’t a rash judgement made over 1 or 2 seasons, we have 5 years of data to determine he’s average. Half a decade is a long time.

The same re-occurring issues on game day that have been prevalent all year, some of which have been present for multiple years. Slow starts, 4th quarter capitulations, over-usage of the handball with makes us susceptible to high-pressure teams, and a tendency for our defenders to start playing kick-to-kick whenever the heat turns up, with a complete inability to get the ball out of our back half.

And that’s not mentioning the bizarre selection decisions, playing the same under-performers week in and week out, whilst others are persona non grata and banished to the Peel realm.

People think because we rarely get blown out means we are a good team, but that’s because we play a very stagnant, overly controlled style that limits scoring, which means we rarely get blown out, but also means we rarely blow teams out, meaning our opposition is always a chance, as seen by our multiple 4th quarter chokes this season.

We also just don’t handle the tight games situations. 1-1-7 in games decided by 15 points or less this year. That’s more then just bad luck.

I don’t buy the age or experience excuse. In that Port game, 3 of Port’s best players were Butters, Horne-Francis and L.Evans. An average 62 games and an average age of 20.6 between them.

I also don’t buy the injuries excuse. Carlton had half their team injured for significant portions of the season, and still they made finals over us.

Good teams find a way despite the hardships, and bad teams make excuses. And at the moment, I’m seeing a lot of the same old tired excuses from this fanbase that has come to not only accept but celebrate mediocrity.

People saying 2025 is make or break for JL. Why was this year not make or break? How long are we going to keep delaying the inevitable? That 1 year contract extension at the start of the year was useless, here we are with another season down the drain and in no different a position than we were this time last year.

JL was the coach to get us out of the hole we were in, but he’s not the coach to take us to where we want to be. Even with Bolton and others coming in next season, I don’t think much changes.

Ah ...
And to illustrate, here we have an example of apophenia.
Or simply put, bundling together abunch of stuff to reach...
What you wanted all along?
One might just as well say and and I will...
We are doing just fine!

 

[pK75]

Thanks mate, I could go on and on but we would be here all night.

I don’t have anything against JL, for what it’s worth I think he’s doing a better job then Ross Lyon did in his last few years here, in terms of both on field results and the culture at the club. I just think it’s obvious he’s not the guy to get us to where we should be, and 5 years of data backs me on that.

They won’t move him on unfortunately, it’s becoming increasingly like a boys club with Garlick and Brierty just backing JL no matter what and setting zero expectations. The club as a whole lacks ruthlessness and that’s why we continue to flounder in that 10th to 14th range. There is no pressure to perform, everyone is way too comfortable.

Disagree, the unwritten part of Garlic’s message when they moved Bell into a different role was “we’ve given you everything you wanted JLo, time to perform” there’s enough rope there to lasso the cup or hang yourself, he gets a reprieve from being sacked this year due to injuries to key players and the fact we were top 4 before they struck hard, but 2025 is it for him. There won’t be an official extension before finals next year, either he hits the triggers in his contract or he doesn’t, not sure what these are but they’re written into his existing contract for a reason.

 

[dont bowl there]

Ah ...
And to illustrate, here we have an example of apophenia.
Or simply put, bundling together abunch of stuff to reach...
What you wanted all along?
One might just as well say and and I will...
We are doing just fine!

Under JLo we have finished:12th, 11th, 5th, 14th, 10th

We are doing just fine!

 

[purplerunsdeep2]

Do yourself a favour and listen to the Adam Simpson podcast on Backchat

As a senior advisor to JLo - get him in. Significant difference in just having a conversation

He sounds refreshed and doesn't have that nagging baggage he had over him


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[fnerd]

Was thinking the bloke probably wanted next year off but if he’s keen to take up a role even just an advisory/consulting role next year then hopefully transitioning into a director of coaching type role the following one ,would be a golden opportunity for the club to enhance its IP in the coaches box , which I think we desperately need

 

[dominguez]

people wanting the second youngest side in the comp to beat 3 of the top 4 teams with Alex Pearce (who is also our captain, our best player and our most important player), Treacy, Darcy, and Cox on one leg all out are being a bit niave. No game plan or pump up speach can over come that. It hurts to lose but to come as close as we did to GWS was an elite performanec, especially considering how exposed they made us with out a fit Pearce and Cox with Hogan going nuts.

JLo has no plan B on match day though. Hogan was killing Cox. Play Chapman on him for the 2nd half since Chappy did well the week before on Cameron. Send someone to Brent Daniels who carved us up with 30 possessions, 3 goals and about 15 tackles. Try something. Anything.

 

[dominguez]

Do yourself a favour and listen to the Adam Simpson podcast on Backchat

As a senior advisor to JLo - get him in. Significant difference in just having a conversation

He sounds refreshed and doesn't have that nagging baggage he had over him


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Simpson and Belly are good mates so could happen.

 

[dominguez]

If Schultz played this year, ........................... I think we win another 2, maybe more


If we find two small forwards who pressure (at least one) and kick 50 goals between them we are fine. (This is the optimistic half of me)


The other half of me thinks that Fyfe, Walters, JoM, Aish, Banfield won't play as well next year, and as many games, compared to this year, and we may drop off a bit next or just stay about the same, and then climb in 2026. (I think we only have the depth to replace 2 or 3 of them)

One mature age players would help a lot, and ideally they hit the ground running.

Can make a case for Blake Acres too.

Fyfe, Walters, JoM, Aish, Banfield are all fringe players any way. If our hopes for 2025 rely on those 5 we're in trouble and JLo will be sacked.

 

[Eski3]

Do yourself a favour and listen to the Adam Simpson podcast on Backchat

As a senior advisor to JLo - get him in. Significant difference in just having a conversation

He sounds refreshed and doesn't have that nagging baggage he had over him


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I am a big fan of getting Simpson in for the player development role. Would be the best available on the market

 

[Freomaniac]

With just a hint of luck Ross Lyon is a multiple premiership coach and viewed as one of the greats, in the end he has zero and is viewed as a good coach that ultimately can't get it done. Sport is results based and JLo badly needs them to go his way in 2025.

Justin Longmuir needs a semi decent fixture. Would hate to have 3 or 4 top 4 sides in a row to end the regular season. I rather have them early or mid season.


I want a fixture like the hawks.... Not the fact I wanna go 0-5. But have all the tough teams as early as possible.

Then when it comes to the crunch, 2 games left, have a couple of beatable bottom 6 sides to end the season.

 

[dont bowl there]

Justin Longmuir needs a semi decent fixture. Would hate to have 3 or 4 top 4 sides in a row to end the regular season. I rather have them early or mid season.


I want a fixture like the hawks.... Not the fact I wanna go 0-5. But have all the tough teams as early as possible.

Then when it comes to the crunch, 2 games left, have a couple of beatable bottom 6 sides to end the season.

Personally I want the opposite, bank early wins and get momentum. What the Hawks have done is extremely rare.

 

[dominguez]

I don't think the best thing you can say about Ross Lyon is that players he once coached end up winning a Brownlow when they were no longer coached by him.

Lachie left because he wanted to be top dog and felt at Freo he'd always be in Fyfe's shadow.

Ballantyne was on a podcast recently. He said in the 2013 GF we had 17 marks inside 50 and every team that season that had 15 or more marks inside 50 won the game we just had a horrible day kicking for goal in the GF. That's not Ross Lyon's fault.

 

[dominguez]

Justin Longmuir needs a semi decent fixture. Would hate to have 3 or 4 top 4 sides in a row to end the regular season. I rather have them early or mid season.


I want a fixture like the hawks.... Not the fact I wanna go 0-5. But have all the tough teams as early as possible.

Then when it comes to the crunch, 2 games left, have a couple of beatable bottom 6 sides to end the season.

Ideally you want the good teams from the previous season early because they start their pre-season later so are in 2nd gear for the first month or so the next seaon. Conversely you want the weaker teams later in the year, the likes of Essendon and GC fly out of the blocks each year then by June July they're done.

I think we'll get a favourable fixture next year. The club made enough of a fuss about the travel and gather round being unfair to turn heads. Not sure how they do it but I think we get 13 games in Perth next year and/or double ups against all of WC/Richmond/NM.

 

[dominguez]

Personally I want the opposite, bank early wins and get momentum. What the Hawks have done is extremely rare.

We lost too many at Optus this year, the derby being the worst. Need to make Optus a fortress and win at least 10 games in Perth then you just need to beat the teams outside the 8 away to have a good season.

 

[The Feeder Club]

Lachie left because he wanted to be top dog and felt at Freo he'd always be in Fyfe's shadow.

Ballantyne was on a podcast recently. He said in the 2013 GF we had 17 marks inside 50 and every team that season that had 15 or more marks inside 50 won the game we just had a horrible day kicking for goal in the GF. That's not Ross Lyon's fault.

Out of interest did he take any responsibility himself for slipping over all game and having brain farts every second time he touched the ball?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Simpson and Belly are good mates so could happen.

I believe Bell is driving the move to get him as well

 

[StingBitten]

Anyone know which SEN pod interviewed Alex Pearce

25

Alex Pearce

Age

29

Ht

201cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.6

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

106.3

2star

No current season stats available

D

11.0

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

6.0

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

MG

103.2

2star

today?

 

[MadMac]

Anyone know which SEN pod interviewed Alex Pearce today?

There you go mate

 

[oldgoat]

Do yourself a favour and listen to the Adam Simpson podcast on Backchat

As a senior advisor to JLo - get him in. Significant difference in just having a conversation

He sounds refreshed and doesn't have that nagging baggage he had over him


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

This would be a win in so many ways...
Not least for the wailing and gnashing of teeth over Lathlain way when Simpson celebrates the first and subsequent Freo premierships!

 

[oldgoat]

Out of interest did he take any responsibility himself for slipping over all game and having brain farts every second time he touched the ball?

"Out of interest?"
You sure do mark hard Feeder...
I like to remember Ballas as one of the immortals, and a great Freo Warrior!

 

[The Feeder Club]

You sure do mark hard Feeder...
I like to remember Ballas as one of the immortals, a great Freo Warrior!

He was one of my all time favourites , fantastic player, but unfortunately he was a deer in the headlights in the grand final.
He's training a few winners lately so he's in my good books. You ike a flutter, goaty?