Lyon missed finals 4 years in a row before he was sacked.
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How many finals series has he missed since his comeback ?
I don't think anyone is in or out of form this time of year. We will know more in round three. I will back us to beat the crows and eagles at home. North away should be good.
That isn't ridiculous.
I think he meant that in his first year back he took them to finals footy.
After 3 years of studying the modern game with his ample free time.
You're not seriously suggesting that it's gutless for a board to sack a coach with 13 years experience and no premierships, who had just missed finals 4 years in a row? It would have been the definition of accepting mediocrity to stick with him.
I like Ross and even after he was sacked he stood up for the club in the media but he was done.
The only thing i didn't like about it was the fact they sacked him with 1 game left. He should have been allowed to just finished the season.
It looks amateurish looking back on we had a caretaker in Dave Hale coach us for 1 game.
Was waiting 7 more days really going to make that much of a difference.
It was a foolish PR game orchestrated by weak leadership. It changed the narrative for the week and removed some pressure short term. It also made us look silly. We could have let him go at the end of the season or amongst finals and there would have been barely a whisper in comparison.
It should have been done like we did with Mark Harvey it was done right in the middle of the finals series on the Friday. When Harvs was sacked and Ross was flown into Perth for a Presser.
It was news for 24 hours where everyone was in shock then would have been swamped by the semi's.
The day Ross got sacked i actually got off the plane in Singapore for a stopover from London on my way home.
I was in shock that it happened during my time in the air & at that time and thought it was ridiculous with 1 game to go.
Different if there was still a month to go in the season but 1 game please.
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To be fair to the board, although those watching could sense we were never a realistic chance of making finals in 2019, it was a weird season and with three rounds to go we had the same number of wins on the board as the bulldogs (9 wins), who ended up finishing 7th and playing finals. I think the board wanted Ross gone a few rounds earlier, the relationship between him and the club hierarchy had completely broken down, but whilst there was still a mathematical chance of making finals their hands were tied. They finally got to shoot the gun that they had loaded and committed to shooting a number of weeks before, probably without even thinking it through that by that late stage they should have just waited another couple of weeks.
Don't think that is correct with Connolly. Everyone knew he was a dead man walking. Then the media reported that he was told he wouldn't be offered a new contract. So he quit. What he rejected was an offer to coach 2 more games after he quit.
It is PR 101. They could have buried it on a Friday and by Monday it would have mostly been swallowed by the coverage of the finals. In politics it was/is called taking out the trash. A Friday night dump of information that no one wants to follow up on due to the weekend.
We followed that up with what seemed like a one candidate coaching search. I would love to know who was interviewed and which current board members were part of that decision making process. That has no reflection on JL, only the board.
I see Trent Cotchin joined the Brisbane lions in an off field role this season.
We never seem to get these kind of leaders, or aggressively chase people of that stature. You can say what you like about Cotchin but he’s one of the great winners and leaders of the modern AFL era. There is Brisbane, already miles ahead of us, one kick of a football away from winning it all and they are snapping up every bit of experience and boys available to improve in the off season. They are not sitting around with the same formula as last year. It was good, but it wasn’t good enough. How do we improve? Find that extra 1-2%? That what they are saying to themselves this off season.
JL and his coaching group finish a lowly 14th, and it’s a case of “nah, we don’t need to refresh our off field group at all. Don’t stress everyone. Nothing to see here, we are all good”
I’m not specifically saying we should have been chasing Cotchin. He probably wouldn’t come here anyway. Would love to know if we asked the question though. Are we striving desperately to improve every single aspect of the club on and off the field? I’m not convinced. Someone who has a winners, hardened, ruthless mentality, that has been to the top of the mountain on multiple occasions - that is the type of person missing from our (pretty uninspiring) current coaching and off field mentoring group.
We never seem to get these kind of leaders, or aggressively chase people of that stature. You can say what you like about Cotchin but he’s one of the great winners and leaders of the modern AFL era. There is Brisbane, already miles ahead of us, one kick of a football away from winning it all and they are snapping up every bit of experience and boys available to improve in the off season. They are not sitting around with the same formula as last year. It was good, but it wasn’t good enough. How do we improve? Find that extra 1-2%? That what they are saying to themselves this off season.
JL and his coaching group finish a lowly 14th, and it’s a case of “nah, we don’t need to refresh our off field group at all. Don’t stress everyone. Nothing to see here, we are all good”
I’m not specifically saying we should have been chasing Cotchin. He probably wouldn’t come here anyway. Would love to know if we asked the question though. Are we striving desperately to improve every single aspect of the club on and off the field? I’m not convinced. Someone who has a winners, hardened, ruthless mentality, that has been to the top of the mountain on multiple occasions - that is the type of person missing from our (pretty uninspiring) current coaching and off field mentoring group.
**** me you must be so upbeat IRL.
That's true, I'm nothing like this in real life either. Well maybe a little bit.
I was previously saying we'd have our answer by round 6, but i've changed my tune. If mumbles cant lead the team to a victory against North in round 2 then we have our answer. The CEO can't keep spruiking the pathway to a premiership cup (which we're already behind on) if we can't even beat one of the most useless teams this decade (who beat us at home last year - how embarrassment).
I agree to an extent. We can't drop those types of games and make the finals.
Personally I am interested in our slow starts. Ball movement out of the back half (including kick outs) and a couple of other things.
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Bollocks, all of our assistants were leaders. Cotchin is more of their ilk than a Joel Selwood type.
What a whinge over nothing. Who would have thought that Cotchin accepting a job would trigger yet another sledge at the club. Ridiculous.
Yep thos points you raise are of huge focus, but we can't be any more improved if we can't even beat North.
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Nice one hero.
That would be Joel Corey. 3 x premiership player, 2 x B&F winner, 2 x All-Australian.
North ran Sydney, Essendon (twice), Saints very close at Marvel last year. Lost them all by around a kick. Those are middling sides just like us, and most neutrals would actually have them ahead of us. A fresh North with Clarkson (our kryptonite opposition coach) will be hard.
I don't care about W/L record at the start of the year, what is more important is how we play. And if JL starts defensively and it doesn't work, then will he be able to ditch the gameplan and go on the attack?
I really agree with what you're saying (not factoring W/L etc.) in part, but my tougher stance comes from strongly taking into consideration last season. At some point we just have to be ruthless and grow up. This season can't just continue on from last - we need to see a quicker, more daring transition from our team, and with less excuses.
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