Coach Justin Longmuir Pt 2

[Tonga Bob]

I thought it was one of the most weird out of context posts I have seen on this site. And this is coming from someone committed to seeing things in a good light.

Conflating WW2 with a one year coaching extension is strange at best and insulting at worst (for those of us who lost 50 plus family members in WW2).

Secondly, half this site, including mods said it was a good thing to relieve pressure on the coach. Meaning it was a PR thing. Why are we now bothered that we have been criticised for doing a PR move?

I took the post in the vein of David King finding negatives out of anything that happens at Fremantle, regardless of whether it's a good thing or not. So the conflation is with the good news about the end of WW2 and King's negative spin on that, but your point is taken.

 

[freo1]

I thought it was one of the most weird out of context posts I have seen on this site. And this is coming from someone committed to seeing things in a good light.

Conflating WW2 with a one year coaching extension is strange at best and insulting at worst (for those of us who lost 50 plus family members in WW2).

Secondly, half this site, including mods said it was a good thing to relieve pressure on the coach. Meaning it was a PR thing. Why are we now bothered that we have been criticised for doing a PR move?

Good points (especially about the very weird out of context post).

Regarding your question of why are we now bothered that we've been criticised for doing a PR move, for me i thought it was a bad decision before the media got a hold of it (just my opinion), but since then, the criticism bothers me because it proves the PR move obviously failed. It just adds more to us not being taken seriously as a club, hurts our brand and hurts us trying to attract top-end talent (on and off field) to the club.

 

[poshman]

I took the post in the vein of David King finding negatives out of anything that happens at Fremantle, regardless of whether it's a good thing or not. So the conflation is with the good news about the end of WW2 and King's negative spin on that, but your point is taken.

Got you - all good.

 

[poshman]

Good points (especially about the very weird out of context post).

Regarding your question of why are we now bothered that we've been criticised for doing a PR move, for me i thought it was a bad decision before the media got a hold of it (just my opinion), but since then, the criticism bothers me because it proves the PR move obviously failed. It just adds more to us not being taken seriously as a club, hurts our brand and hurts us trying to attract top-end talent (on and off field) to the club.

I am not sure the ramifications will extend as far as that. It bothers me because it reeks of the same defensive and poorly executed PR strategy that had us fire Lyon with a week left in the season. We neither looked professional or decisive. Bland would be a better word.

And bland in PR and marketing is worse than great or terrible as you become insignificant.

I understand your take though, just not sure it will have the ramifications you suggest.

 

[mattis117]

haha

I don't think you can win a flag with slow ball movement.

If the game plan holds up against top 4 sides, in the back end of the year (after round 10) when they are up and going, then I will be happy.

You don't think? Some of the most recent premierships were of the back of slow ball movement. Are you absolutely certain the game is going to continue to head in the same direction?

 

[poshman]

Slow ball movement is really symptomatic. It’s not really an aim, the way “fast ball movement” has become.

This is interesting, can you expand on this thought?

 

[WilloTree]

Ease up Turbo - you can make your own assumptions, but your assumptions are wrong.

The club has a loooong history of making poor decisions, you cant argue with that. We've been a luaghing stock of the comp for so long, and this sort of decision just fuels the fire - i'm over it. You can't call every journo who writes something about the club you dont agree with a "hack". From the get go i'm happy to say i didnt think appointing JL was a good idea. I'm happy to stand by that.

Are they though?

Maybe circle back and ask yourself if you fit into one of these categories:
A) I would like to see Fremantle fail so I can post a pissy 'told you so' post and call someone 'turbo'.
B) I would like to support the club and see them go as well and win some games under JL

No need to reply. I know the answer and if you're honest I think you'll have your answer as well.

Disagree with me so go support West Coast. Come on mate.

Everyone at the club? I know three personally at the club and two are strangely quiet about it when they are normally quite positive about things they support and one didn't like the timing. The majority of supporters?

There was quite a few here who praised it for being a good PR move. Then a good number who said it was bad and some (like me) who said I wouldn't have done it, but am not upset about it.

It is the realm of the foolish to make claims to a vast generalised authority when making an argument. Then you go one to suggest they support another club based on said generalised remarks...

I don't understand how some supporters can be upset about the coverage when most of those who were in favour of the extension gave PR as the main reason.

I will go through and repost every one of them if needed.

Not having a go mate, but that's not what I wrote.

Just out of curiosity, who are the three that have come out and said they are against the extension? (I'm just interested to see if one of them is James Clement - that would surprise me a lot)

 

[mattis117]

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Keeps on coming. It seems everyone but the club and a handfull of supporters can see this was a silly decision

I'm correct because others agree with me is a false argument.

 

[poshman]

You don't think? Some of the most recent premierships were of the back of slow ball movement. Are you absolutely certain the game is going to continue to head in the same direction?

Is this an eye test thing or a measurable one?

Who would you say were slow ball movement teams and what do you define as most recent? I see that and think 2 seasons, maybe 3. Is that the timeframe you are referring to here?

 

[Achin joints]

The media will always find a negative spin on Freo ,even if we win a flag it will be Freo's deplorable grand final win

 

[freo1]

I'm correct because others agree with me is a false argument.

That seems to apply to every one of your posts. Settle, we're all entitled to our opinion.

 

[poshman]

Not having a go mate, but that's not what I wrote.

Just out of curiosity, who are the three that have come out and said they are against the extension? (I'm just interested to see if one of them is James Clement - that would surprise me a lot)

I am not sure which part you are referring to. Could you point out what parts I addressed that you didn't write? The only part where I think I wasn't accurate on reading back was the bit about going and supporting west coast. I should have added the negative posting history.

Two are upper middle management and one manages a department and has a team, but would be lower middle management.

I have only talked to James a couple of times and wouldn't consider myself an acquaintance or friend. He is impressive though.

 

[poshman]

The media will always find a negative spin on Freo ,even if we win a flag it will be Freo's deplorable grand final win

I think in Melbourne we will be fine, here there will be coverage and a lot of comparisons to west coast and can we now be as successful as them etc etc. With images of the 92, 94 cups referenced.

 

[freo1]

Are they though?

Maybe circle back and ask yourself if you fit into one of these categories:
A) I would like to see Fremantle fail so I can post a pissy 'told you so' post and call someone 'turbo'.
B) I would like to support the club and see them go as well and win some games under JL

No need to reply. I know the answer and if you're honest I think you'll have your answer as well.

Not having a go mate, but that's not what I wrote.

It was pretty clear you were "having a go", hence my response saying "ease up turbo", i was being polite. You continue to make interesting assumptions about me, and continue to "have a go" - go read your option A back to yourself and see if you think that's a good way to talk to people. Is no one else but you allowed an opinion on here?

Just out of curiosity, who are the three that have come out and said they are against the extension? (I'm just interested to see if one of them is James Clement - that would surprise me a lot)

 

[DragoDelph]

SO, looks like JL took the incentive offer that Acres turned down.

What do we think, Finals this year, +1 year? Prelim +2?

 

[WilloTree]

It was pretty clear you were "having a go", hence my response saying "ease up turbo", i was being polite. You continue to make interesting assumptions about me, and continue to "have a go" - go read your option A back to yourself and see if you think that's a good way to talk to people. Is no one else but you allowed an opinion on here?

Ok. You've replied to two separate posts here. Im a bit lost as to which one your referring to. I think we'll leave it here.
Go Freo

 

[ubiquitous226]

SO, looks like JL took the incentive offer that Acres turned down.

What do we think, Finals this year, +1 year? Prelim +2?

This is what I was expecting, if the club combined the incentives with a limit on payout (eg. 6 months) if we bomb out in 2024 then I'd say that's a win/win.

We believe in what you're doing, but you have to deliver - simple.

You'd expect something like 1-3 years extra based on making finals and winning some.
As a side note if you were JLo you wouldn't actually want a trigger for a premiership, you'd want to renegotiate at that point.

 

[Achin joints]

I think in Melbourne we will be fine, here there will be coverage and a lot of comparisons to west coast and can we now be as successful as them etc etc. With images of the 92, 94 cups referenced.

West coast greats pave the way for Freo win

 

[go_the_dockers]

You don't think? Some of the most recent premierships were of the back of slow ball movement. Are you absolutely certain the game is going to continue to head in the same direction?

Who moved the ball slow?

Richmond, Collingwood all moved the ball very quick.

I don't think Geelong or Melbourne moved the ball very slow either.

 

[Dockeroo]

All the bickering on here and everywhere else will be irrelevant if we start winning. JL has been backed in - it’s time for him to repay the faith shown. Right now. Not in one or two years time. Starting next Sunday at home against a lions side shorn of 3 of their top 10 players including the reigning Brownlow medalist. No more excuses about youth or injuries or any of that crap from our side in 2024.

Even JL himself (to his credit) is on record as saying the age of the side is not relevant to how we perform in 2024 and no longer an excuse so it would be nice if some of his defenders on here remember that this season too.
I just want to see fremante win more games. I don’t care if JL or Donald trump is the coach to be honest.

David King might be a tosser but he was 100% right on one thing this morning - the only currency that matter to an AFL coach is wins. Winning solves everything.

 

[One_Wing]

All the bickering on here and everywhere else will be irrelevant if we start winning. JL has been backed in - it’s time for him to repay the faith shown. Right now. Not in one or two years time. Starting next Sunday at home against a lions side shorn of 3 of their top 10 players including the reigning Brownlow medalist. No more excuses about youth or injuries or any of that crap from our side in 2024.

Even JL himself (to his credit) is on record as saying the age of the side is not relevant to how we perform in 2024 and no longer an excuse so it would be nice if some of his defenders on here remember that this season too.
I just want to see fremante win more games. I don’t care if JL or Donald trump is the coach to be honest.

David King might be a tosser but he was 100% right on one thing this morning - the only currency that matter to an AFL coach is wins. Winning solves everything.

He was critical of us when we were winning in 2022, so not really sure thats true when it comes to King.

 

[arsesmart]

This is interesting, can you expand on this thought?

No-one really would look at having slow movement as "the way we play". It can come as a result of other strategies (eg cautious exit of defence)... as the opposition works you out, or as your players try to work the plan out. Teams (ie coaches) maybe more accepting of slow movement, but they'd rather just have their own way...slow or fast.

Whereas fast ball movement embraces the chaos that comes with it. You move the ball fast and have the plan worked to cover the eventualities of doing that, rather than the other way round. It makes it hard to implement any plans to counter it, because it happens so fast.

 

[MadMac]

I’m not sure the extension was warranted and as much as I think that it doesn’t change much in regards to JLo’s future it changes our soft cap balance in case things go **** up. I seriously doubt it will keep media at bay (a supposed pro) vs being extra 800k out of pocket (a potential con). This truly is as dockery move as you can get

I said it before, I’ll be more than happy to come on here and apologise if we turn it around. I really hope I will

 

[arsesmart]

He was critical of us when we were winning in 2022, so not really sure thats true when it comes to King.

He was reticent in his praise is more the case. He waited for a few losses to actually be openly negative.

 

[freo1]

He was critical of us when we were winning in 2022, so not really sure thats true when it comes to King.

During 2022 and even the back end of 2021 I actually remember watching King on Fox Footy and he was being super positive with us and our ball movement. There was several weeks there where we strung a few interstate wins together and he was well and truly on our bandwagon.