Firing coaches after hiring one in 2019. No way.
Who's even remotely good left? Another untried assistant? Jl is the future and isn't far off.
Coach Justin Longmuir
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Who's even remotely good left? Another untried assistant? Jl is the future and isn't far off.
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How do you know who is going to be any good though and you dont end up with worse? For every Craig McRae there are many more Damien Drums, Chris Connolly, Brendan Bolton, etc. and we dont have a good track record.
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You head hunt a proven coach. Which is why Lyon is the only truly good one we've ever had, as he's the only one that proved himself somewhere else before we got him. Still the best move this club ever made in its history.
That's all well and good. There's nil proven coaches though.
Clarkson was the last. The ones that got sacked last year were terrible.
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Yeah I fully admit I've gone early and could look very stupid, but it's the style that kills him I reckon.
Wooden, stagnant, overcoached. No sign of any forward half plan.
Love to be wrong, don't think I am.
But that's not the style he played last season. He's just probably passive this season and trying to get the club into the top 4 and keeping it all together. Jl is capable of firing a rocket and changing the team mid game. This season he's definitely scared or shocked to make a move. Now at 0-2 he ll have nothing to lose.
I thought it was North that were wooden and stagnant. We just couldn't get the ball off them. When we transitioned quickly we stuffed up the handball or kick.
Successful coaches in world sport tend to be alpha males who demand respect and inspire confidence in their troops. JLo seems to be a nice guy but he's a lanky, nervous guy who mumbles and stutters. Whenever he's on TV I feel nervous and uncomfortable.
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I was just answering the question of how do you know you are going to get a good one. Lyon was still contracted when we got him, so yeah if we were to go down that route we would have to be patient for another six months or more. Who knows what's going to happen? Maybe Geelong really are going to finally go pear shaped and Chris Scott doesn't fancy a rebuild. Maybe Richmond's board go ballistic because Hardwick traded the future for another shot and the team meanders around 9th. Maybe not.
No one in a million years would have predicted Lyon to Fremantle before it happened. I still remember many people 24 hours later in denial and thinking it must be some elaborate joke as Fremantle would never be able to pull something like this off. So if we decide we need another coach we need to be actively on the lookout for opportunity.
It would be perfectly logical for the board to be saying we can improve on what we have, he is not the best coach in the league and that should be our target - who is the best. Now maybe the opportunity never presents, or we fail, and we stick with JLo who is not the worst coach either. It's not like we're working with with Stewie Dew here. J Lo's good, so it would be also logical for the board to say good is good enough. I agree replacing him with an unproven coach seems illogical at this point.
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You would hope so.
It is the style we started with last season though. Dig up comments about the saints game last year and it is exactly how we lost these two. Why did we go straight back to it, or maybe more correctly how were we so easily forced into it be the opposition?
You are probably correct in that there's not much in the way of options now, he is what we have.
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Carr went back to Port and Mundy retired (who was old and experienced enough to be an on field coach) and now our midfield, which was in stunning form last year, looks one paced and pedestrian.
What’s Chris Scott doing next year?
Chris Scott got a premiership in 2010, stayed as coach for 11 years without another flag and gets one in 2022. Fremantle wouldn't dare to do the same for that long.
Port Adelaide has kept Hinkley since 2013 onwards.
His CV currently reads - 12 seasons as coach, 11 finals appearances, 3 grand finals, 2 flags.
He arguably underachieved a bit not getting one more premiership between '11 and '22 but they were still consistently a quality side during that era. Fremantle would kill for that level of underachievement.
Port keeping Hinkley so long for comparatively little return is a warning against prolonged loyalty and hoping that things will eventually click. Longmuir deserves more time to turn things around after last season of course, but the club would be remiss to not be considering their options if we plummet this season and we continue to struggle offensively.
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Chris Scott has missed finals once (?) in his coaching tenure. Hinkley has been on the brink for a while but every time it looks like he’s finished he makes finals again.
The problem for Freo is we scarcely make finals.
If I could poach any coach in the competition right now it would probably be Longmire. C.Scott has always had good, experienced cattle to work with and teams have always been played around them. "Advantages" aside, Longmire has proven to know what to do with the cattle and develop young players, having teams built around both ends. He's also noticeably been able to bounce between really defensive and really attacking football over the years.
This is just if we are purely going of experience.
This is just if we are purely going of experience.
I look at our football staff and I just see too many friends and personalities cut from the same cloth. Not a lot of proven experience either. JLo has been in the coaching system more than most of them. We need some harsh and experienced heads in, no more buddies enabling one another and just expecting things to click.
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We are not getting anywhere with our current game plan and look to be going backwards. We need drastic action and for JL to start being bold with who he plays, where they play, and how they play. For example, what have we got to lose by allowing players to play more on instinct (as Collingwood has done) or even playing both Sturt and O’Meara in the forward line? Shake things up a bit and as a Coach stop being so predictable. The players following what is now an outdated and confusing game plan is not only making the players look incompetent it will reverse the upward trend of the Fremantle fan base.
We suffer from being a Perth based club and most coaches are in the age bracket of having young families that are difficult to uproot from their home cities/support network. Why would they choose to move when there are 8 clubs to apply to in !elbs?
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Essendon and Gold Coast put on a ripping high-skilled contest and both teams outscored us without any stars in their forward lines, JL should rightfully so be under some intense pressure.
Could be worse. At least our forward line is as bad on paper as it is in play. Dogs forward line is full of stars yet they only managed 5 goals yesterday.
I think the big question for JLo is whether he can learn and change. Something that I think Ross was unable to do during his tenure, though he may have done so now. I do think it is hard to change while holding down the same job, although maybe Hardwick did it.
JLo obviously has some strengths but has to find ways to overcome his weaknesses, whether in game plan philosophy or in persona.
JLo obviously has some strengths but has to find ways to overcome his weaknesses, whether in game plan philosophy or in persona.
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