Coach Justin Longmuir

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Draftees get better with experience. Coaches too.

I'll probably die on the we traded in a mastercoach for a potentially great coach cross. But the personnel are there (the tools at hand), it's a balanced list with availability and more than it's share of gun players.

It is a team game, changing one midfielder a year you can do, but JOM, Jackson plus the wings messes with cohesion. When that cohesion is stronger they will work better as a unit and affect the efforts of the whole team. Until then, it will be tough in the coaches box.
 
Gekko71 said:
Point taken, but I would argue that St Kilda under Ross Lyon are hardly ordinary opposition.

First of all, they're currently top of the table, above even Collingwood on percentage -- think about that for a moment, given the personnel they have.

Secondly, assuming St Kilda under Ross would be crap this year, based purely on last year's performances when Ross wasn't coaching them, is in my view a rather misguided assumption... especially given the way he turned Freo's fortunes around quick smart, despite nobody giving us a shot at all at he time (our list at the time - a few obvious individuals aside - was nothing to write home about either).

Ross did not get his reputation, or his 53% career winning percentile score, in a Weeties packet -- it's never wise to underestimate him.

Thirdly, I argue similar(ish) propositions can be made over North Melbourne. They were bog-ordinary in previous years yes, but they drafted well last year, and Clarkson is no mug as a coach either.... how many coaches out there have a threepeat to their name? Or have won four premierships in five years? Nor is Clarkson the sort of coach/individual to allow half-arsed preparation, game plans, or individual performances to continue (especially given the scrutiny he's currently under).

Fourthly, we came within one truly shitty (but legal) call within winning that North game.... so where is this dialogue coming from that we are complete crap, that we can't win games, and that JLo can't coach to save his genitals?

Would devoted Freo fans (?) REALLY be publicly contemplating JL's pending replacement, if we had been awarded a free kick, and had won that game from it?

Personally I think not. The balance sheet would be 1 win & 1 loss, and while we would all certainly be supremely pissed at how we played in those games, we would also be collectively far more likely to cut JL some slack, and far less likely to be baying for blood.

We have lost opening matches before, and NOT shat the bed as a collective fan base.

Similarly we have also had bad starts to a season before, but NOT thrown out the baby with the bathwater.

I note LOTS of people on the boards are baying for JL's blood right now... but VERY FRIGGIN' FEW OF THEM are looking at the average age of our current leadership group, or the number of first-time leaders there currently are on it, or the amount of on-field leadership that has been on display during the last two games, or who are willing to point the fingers at the leadership group screaming for them all to be dropped, or sacked.

People aren't doing this, because to do so would be patently unfair... but all the criticism being levelled at JLo is equally unfair as well.

I think the Freo people - my people - whom are baying for Jlo's blood right now, need to take a collective chill pill, then have a really good look at the coaching credentials and prior successes of both Ross Lyon and Clarko, before they start screaming for the head of one of the most internally-respected coaches Freo has ever had.

TBH - I suspect half the reason so many BF folks are pissed right now, is because our pre-season draft boards this year became an absolute circle-jerk of over-enthused optimism.

Nobody was really willing to sound a serious note of caution, or comment on just how emotionally dangerous it can be as a fan to go into the season proper with hyped-up expectations and over-inflated team pride... that's despite the fact we've all done that sort of s**t before, on numerous occasions, and all been emotionally bitten in the arse by it more than once (I include myself in that list as well... but I've also done it too many times though to be completely sucked in by our own hype)

So can we please everybody...

...PLEASE...

...can we all please have and display just one small ounce of collective realism on the Freo boards going forwards -- both in regards to our public comments (which we now know unequivocally ARE monitored by the club, and will reach the playing group in one form or another...) and also in our collective expectations of the team and the club as a whole.

My apologies for the dummy spit everyone -- ...but the amount of vitriol being spewed on these forums lately is completely beyond the pale.
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exceptional post sir, got to acknowledge what you've written here; when emotions are flying high and everyone is losing their minds (we all take turns collectively...), but it's good to see the passion in a more positive light. Thank you :)

The point about the fever-pitch pre-season hype is a good one. So easy to get carried away and set expectations ludicrously high - we all do it. I guess we all got deflated from 2 back to back losses, and such poor performances to boot - but we've notched up a win and that was always the starting point necessary to move forward with. Can't afford a relapse from here, need more of the same and with even more precision and intensity. I enjoyed the game, even as a pure spectacle. It was quite the ride...
 

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Kram said:
Going 0-2 isn't the main problem itself it's how it happened and against who it has been. Going 0-3 the same way against ordinary opposition and even people like me will be asking big, big questions.
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Glad we won the derby today mate....

If we didn't, I seriously feared when our next win was gonna come in.

Crows and sun's in South Australia. Then dogs in Perth then Brisbane at the Gabba then hawks at home.

I would of hated to be 0-7 and facing the hawks at home.
 
EastcoastDocker said:
Someone needs to give Jlo some media coaching. His interviews are excruciating to watch

Dont think there was any tactical master class... we beat a bad team with practically no bunch for the last half.

Im probably biased as a big RTB fan
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JL gave them a massive serve at 3/4 time and we dominated and should have won by 50. Yet the detractors all go very quiet dont they.

Lyon is in his honeymoon phase at the moment and typical RTB style getting better than ever expected from perennial spuds like Mason Wood and even reinvigorating players like Dan Butler but typical RTB style he will run them into the ground and wear them out over a long season.
 
got to give J-Lo some props for mixing up that midfield selection...Switta rolling through there worked real nicely today, he has that guile, but also ferocity when it comes to attacking the contest. Aish played hard in there too, looks a slight guy, but plays like someone built much heavier, always in the thick of it. It wasn't perfect, it wasn't always pretty. But it was a must-win game and we got some luck when West Coast Wiggles players started falling like dominoes, but you can only play what's in front of you. I liked the attack of the corridor - we were cleaner, but you could also argue Wiggles ran out of puff with no interchanges; alas, bad luck. That's the way it goes and how exciting was it watching Switta run through and bounce in that 4th......he's so ace!

One win doesn't make a Swallow in Autumn or whatever, got to back it up next week too, show us some true mettle. Liked what I saw today, and real happy to snag the 4 points but onto Adelaide now, a mini-roadtrip like in Ice Hockey. Got to springboard from here chaps :)
 
Midnite65 said:
JL gave them a massive serve at 3/4 time and we dominated and should have won by 50. Yet the detractors all go very quiet dont they.

Lyon is in his honeymoon phase at the moment and typical RTB style getting better than ever expected from perennial spuds like Mason Wood and even reinvigorating players like Dan Butler but typical RTB style he will run them into the ground and wear them out over a long season.
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You are hopefully not claiming this as a coaching masterclass, a team with no bench running over us like they did in the third quarter?

I'd be more interested in him reflecting on whatever he told them at half time, and learning from it so it doesn't happen again. We came out walking in the third quarter like we thought it was just going to happen. They even got the first goal of the last term.

The best thing he did this week was at the selection table and changing up the centre bounce and forward mix. But geez, he was outcoached in the first two weeks and certainly got lucky today. Let's be glad for the win and pray we get better, quick
 

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EastcoastDocker said:
Someone needs to give Jlo some media coaching. His interviews are excruciating to watch

Dont think there was any tactical master class... we beat a bad team with practically no bunch for the last half.

Im probably biased as a big RTB fan
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You would prefer rude, prickly and arrogant and talking junk philosophy tripe?
 
Gekko71 said:
Oh for *s sake....

Really?

I mean really??

What goddamn benefit is threads like this to anybody? Especially now? How in God's name is a response like this currently justified?

Pardon me for saying it, but threads like this present more like displaced anger, or irrational fear, or wounded trauma response more than a mere hypothetical.

I truly hate to be critical of fellow Freo fans, but come on! Just two losses and we're turning to water???

Threads like this are actively destructive to common purpose.

FFS ... Get a grip.
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Bahaahaha wounded trauma... you are hilarious. How ridiculous. There is a lot on this thread that is positive. I suppose you are fine with that but not with the negative?

I would also guess that a lot of people who agree with you (going by likes) were the same who brought negativity to every game day thread and others to sack lyon while he was coach.

There are many here, like me, who have not gone to water. Stating it is concerning we lost the first two games, that we haven't improved our attack and the start to the season is bad for the club and Justin is not a trauma response they are facts.

Reacting like the whole thread should go because of a few over reactions, and then calling it a wounded trauma response sounds like you have some irrational fear of your own.

There is a range of responses here as there is in most threads. Cut out the extremes and most are just concerned. Yours is also an extreme and a poor attempt at internet psychology.
 
FreoMonocle said:
Draftees get better with experience. Coaches too.

I'll probably die on the we traded in a mastercoach for a potentially great coach cross. But the personnel are there (the tools at hand), it's a balanced list with availability and more than it's share of gun players.

It is a team game, changing one midfielder a year you can do, but JOM, Jackson plus the wings messes with cohesion. When that cohesion is stronger they will work better as a unit and affect the efforts of the whole team. Until then, it will be tough in the coaches box.
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I get the draftees and new players part.

But, I will say it again. After almost a decade as an assistant and now in his fourth year as a senior coach, he is not inexperienced.

That excuse was over end of second season. Otherwise, we are admitting he wasn't ready to be senior coach. Which isn't in line with the clubs goal of sustained finals and a premiership in the next few seasons.

So does the club have it right or you?
 
poshman said:
Bahaahaha wounded trauma... you are hilarious. How ridiculous. There is a lot on this thread that is positive. I suppose you are fine with that but not with the negative?

I would also guess that a lot of people who agree with you (going by likes) were the same who brought negativity to every game day thread and others to sack lyon while he was coach.

There are many here, like me, who have not gone to water. Stating it is concerning we lost the first two games, that we haven't improved our attack and the start to the season is bad for the club and Justin is not a trauma response they are facts.

Reacting like the whole thread should go because of a few over reactions, and then calling it a wounded trauma response sounds like you have some irrational fear of your own.

There is a range of responses here as there is in most threads. Cut out the extremes and most are just concerned. Yours is also an extreme and a poor attempt at internet psychology.
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My post was made in reply to comments on another thread entirely.

That thread was not about discussion of JL's performance in general -- it instead merely invited speculation on who might take over JL's job once he is sacked.

In my view, that thread and the comments in it, were not just counter productive at this point in the season, but also a cheap shot, and frankly rather offensive.

The mods then later merged that other thread, with this one.... Why they did this, I have no idea.

From the looks of it though, some of the more offensive comments from that previous other thread may have been pulled since the two threads were merged as well.

My comments in the post you quoted, pertain specifically to the contents of that other thread, not to the contents of this one.

I have not read any of the comments in this thread, so I can't comment on them.

I'm willing to hazard a guess however, that this entire thread (unlike that other one) isn't just based around ghoulish speculation that is seemingly designed specifically to be hurtful.

No doubt there's some sort of grounded and reasonable discussion to the pros and cons of JL's performance in this thread, rather than just one mean-hearted cheap shot after another when the guy is under pressure.

Disagree with my posts by all means, and believe whatever you like about JL-- that's your right, and I honestly don't care either way.

But please check the larger context around my posts first, before you try taking me to task.

With respect, your criticisms were way off the mark, as the context behind my comments, is not the same as the general context of this thread's far more encompassing, far more involved, and hopefully far more meritorious discussions.
 
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Midnite65 said:
So when we lose, its all out attack on JL being outcoached but when we win.....crickets???
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We defeated a team that finished 17th last year and had one fit man on the bench by the end of the game, and they still pushed us all the way. I'm grateful for the win but it's not exactly a ringing endorsement of JL. The true test will be backing it up against superior opposition, until that happens there isn't really much say is there?
 
poshman said:
I get the draftees and new players part.

But, I will say it again. After almost a decade as an assistant and now in his fourth year as a senior coach, he is not inexperienced.

That excuse was over end of second season. Otherwise, we are admitting he wasn't ready to be senior coach. Which isn't in line with the clubs goal of sustained finals and a premiership in the next few seasons.

So does the club have it right or you?
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He is barely started on his 4th year as head coach (senior manager in a multimillion dollar company, his role is vastly different to an assistant coach), he is expected to be competent but needs to gain a lot more experience in the job, has a lot of study to do if he wants to improve. I doubt that the board would have seen a different trajectory to that when he was appointed.
 
Righteo said:
We defeated a team that finished 17th last year and had one fit man on the bench by the end of the game, and they still pushed us all the way. I'm grateful for the win but it's not exactly a ringing endorsement of JL. The true test will be backing it up against superior opposition, until that happens there isn't really much say is there?
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No offense, but I highly doubt JL would be too concerned about our collective opinion, and you make it sound like he as a coach somehow owes us something. Have to say the arrogance in here has been a bit much of late. So over it.
 
Cayman Docker said:
No offense, but I highly doubt JL would be too concerned about our collective opinion, and you make it sound like he as a coach somehow owes us something. Have to say the arrogance in here has been a bit much of late. So over it.
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He literally owes us a flag.
 
apuchar said:
You would prefer rude, prickly and arrogant and talking junk philosophy tripe?
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Honestly yes.

JLo has done well til this point implementing team structure but let's not pretend his post match interviews are a train wreck.

One concerning aspect of the coaching yesterday was the inability to take advantage of the Jackson Waterman ruck match up. Jackson looked great otherwise, really encouraging signs
 
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