Coach Justin Longmuir

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Nice novel bro. I mean I want us to go for a flag or bust. Not be forever Geelong making up the numbers come September. If that is horrible for you, I couldn’t give less of a s**t.
Right now.... I would love a cats finals run between 2012-2021. Right in between the cats 2011 and 2022 flags.

Hell I would love ports finals run under Ken Hinkley from 2013-2021.

Not exactly a flag .... But both scenarios are way better than freos current situation, even though it's not a flag. LoL
 
Right now.... I would love a cats finals run between 2012-2021. Right in between the cats 2011 and 2022 flags.

Hell I would love ports finals run under Ken Hinkley from 2013-2021.

Not exactly a flag .... But both scenarios are way better than freos current situation, even though it's not a flag. LoL
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Right now.... I would love a cats finals run between 2012-2021. Right in between the cats 2011 and 2022 flags.

Hell I would love ports finals run under Ken Hinkley from 2013-2021.

Not exactly a flag .... But both scenarios are way better than freos current situation, even though it's not a flag. LoL

You operate on a different plane of existence to the rest of us mate. Kudos to you.
 
It was very, very poor to not make finals in 04 and 05 and it then meant we went into 06 although at our peak still being an inexperienced September side. I almost think of Connolly as our worst coach given the list at his disposal he wasted.
The biggest knock against Connolly was the 06 season was achieved off the back of the players ignoring his game plan
 
I think all this chat will be quickly forgotten soon enough. I don't think we're even playing that bad, our guys are in the right places to contest, they're just either fumbling or not executing basic skills. That's why it's so frustrating to watch; we're beating ourselves through mistakes rather than genuinely being beating by better opposition.
 
The biggest knock against Connolly was the 06 season was achieved off the back of the players ignoring his game plan

Coincidentally, the back end of 2006 is the last time I can remember us consistently playing in a free-flowing, incisive manner (simplification I know).

I guess you could argue for the first 10 rounds of 2015 but either way, Freo fans have suffered through a lot of questionable football over the last 2 decades.

Longmuir's got a huge task on his hands.
 
Coincidentally, the back end of 2006 is the last time I can remember us consistently playing in a free-flowing, incisive manner (simplification I know).

I guess you could argue for the first 10 rounds of 2015 but either way, Freo fans have suffered through a lot of questionable football over the last 2 decades.

Longmuir's got a huge task on his hands.
I think early 2010 and late 2012 are the two peak Freo eras for me. The former because we seemed flush with talent out of nowhere and the latter because Ross had us clicking in high gear and we still had peak Pav.
 
I think early 2010 and late 2012 are the two peak Freo eras for me. The former because we seemed flush with talent out of nowhere and the latter because Ross had us clicking in high gear and we still had peak Pav.

Yeah very true after we got accustomed to Ross-ball 2012 was great. Ditto 13 although we really drove the 'grind them into the dirt' mantra which was enthralling to watch regardless.
 
The biggest knock against Connolly was the 06 season was achieved off the back of the players ignoring his game plan
Freo’s issues have always been off field. If we had decent assistants or could have
Kept the good ones we would have been more successful.
I think J Corey was doing a good job last year, then Carr leaves and we don’t
replace him, just move the deck chairs.
Who is to say that it was Carr that was the brains behind the outfit?
JLo is giving off that M Harvey vibe and we know how that ends.
Do we even have a stoppage coach anymore?
 
I think all this chat will be quickly forgotten soon enough. I don't think we're even playing that bad, our guys are in the right places to contest, they're just either fumbling or not executing basic skills. That's why it's so frustrating to watch; we're beating ourselves through mistakes rather than genuinely being beating by better opposition.

We have lost big in the easiest part of our draw. It only gets harder from here.

I hope you are right, but I think there is more to it than you are giving credit for. We are losing in the contest and our ball movement is slow as treacle.
 
I think early 2010 and late 2012 are the two peak Freo eras for me. The former because we seemed flush with talent out of nowhere and the latter because Ross had us clicking in high gear and we still had peak Pav.
We were electric late 2012. If we didn’t have injuries to key backs we could of kept Taylor Walker at bay and gone to a Prelim.

Nothing beats 06 though imo.
 

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I think all this chat will be quickly forgotten soon enough. I don't think we're even playing that bad, our guys are in the right places to contest, they're just either fumbling or not executing basic skills. That's why it's so frustrating to watch; we're beating ourselves through mistakes rather than genuinely being beating by better opposition.
Was thinking today as bad as it has been many are throwing in the towel a bit too early, we aren't dead yet but yeah lose to Gold Coast and it is season over.
 
Firstly **** me, people are quick to turn. I understand that to a degree, we've got a talented list so if we **** this up then it's years away.

Secondly, as someone else has said, footy's a game of percentages. We're 10% off, and look it. Why? Who knows.

#1 problem is contested ball. Massively miss Mundy here. Sure he couldn't run back if we lost it, but if he's positioned everyone / blocked / won it himself then that didn't really matter so much. JOM hasn't been the plug and play we hoped. I'm going to put most of that down to chemistry, especially adding Jackson into that mix. Brodie has been down, but overall I think it's the little things; blocks / positioning / 1%ers. Fix this and most of the problems start to fix themselves.

#2 problem is forward craft/personnel. Tabs when on is good, but pretty limited and on the downward slide. Amiss is a star, just needs time, Treacy needs a run to show us what he can do (no he hasn't had ample time yet), ditto Sturt (Fyfe is the odd one out here, and probably Sturt should miss for him IMHO). Switta is a gun, Shultz does the job and Freddie is developing into a gun (albeit can go missing) and Walters can still turn it on. I love Tabs, but it will be interesting to see how the forward movement is this week without him. If it's massively improved, then that should be his cards.

#3 is team spirit. Schofield made a point on the Purple Reign podcast about losing finemasters at the club and impact on palying group morale/cohesion. Forget Lobb, but losing Logue and Acres has massively impacted our off field chemistry. We don't look like we're playing for each other, or doing the hard yards where needed. This could involve the coach, not sure, but something has changed from last year. We're being outworked a lot, so again, fix this and we start fixing the other things.

#4 game plan. Footy moved on massively last year. We haven't. I'm not saying we have to go full cavalier, but our connection between defense and mid/fwds is shocking on the rebound. At our best last year we were doing this, so it isn't beyond us. This has to land at the coaches door. Ross is a lot of things, but one thing he is is a great communicator. To a man, every player that ever played for him always says he makes things really simple and that you understand exactly what your job was. I don't think that's happening now, BUT JL was seen as a great communicator last year, so again not sure what has changed.

Overall, I don't think we're out of it yet, but JL has a lot of work to do to get back the chemistry and fluency of the side at its peak last year. He's earned the year regardless, but not much more given the talent on our list; if he's who we think he is he'll work it out by then. If not get someone else in - the Don Pyke suggestion I like, Jamie Graham may be a bit soon and internal may not be the best, who knows?

TLDR: I haven't got a ****ing clue, but JL deserves the season to turn it round.

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2012 will hold a special place in my heart because it felt like in the second half of the season Pavlich was kicking 5-6+ goals every week.
 
He's fundamentally correct though. Even though we aren't playing great footy if we had any semblance of a functional forward line we'd be 3-1 not 1-3. Still not playing well but not with finals pretty much on the line in round 5 either
 
Plenty of coaches have been caught out to varying degrees seemingly not reading the direction of the game right. There's frequently more than just a bob when they should've weaved, but one of the qualities sought out in a coach is a vision, that they're driven by their own take and not just shallowly following trends. Hardwick, Buckley and Chris Scott are coaches who have adjusted significantly (even Longmire last year). Experienced coaches though.

Successful seasons can be the precursor to change reticence. Often you don't want to mess with success too much. Problem being any significant changes can be really hard to implement mid-season, so it's a hard turn around for a big ship.

I wouldn't write off the season just yet though. It's hard to read the gameplan fully at this stage, given how off so many players are and how many fumbles, missed targets and missed timings derail any sort of fluid plays. It can click pretty quickly, sometimes within the course of a game.

All good points and well made.

No doubt success is partnered with stubbornness time and time again in leaders. They wavered and then held firm which led to their ultimate success. Th9is could well occur with JL2 and I'd be delighted if it did.

However, there is a clear, ongoing and hugely obvious flaw in the logic he has which I think points to the larger issues that stubbornness can bite you with rather than benefit. JL2 has an obvious flaw in his thinking that has now been evident for much more than the 4 games this year. It's at selection that it becomes clear. He lacks dare and courage and this points to a lack of faith in his plan rather than a solid commitment to it. Time and again over last season and the season before we've seen overly defensive selections in areas where the team clearly needed more attack.

When you add the confused tactical messaging it adds to the concerns. He said to start the 2021 season that he'd prefer to run a 3 tall forwardline, and then refused to do it. Often he had no choice due to injury to Tabs or Treacy but when he had them all he didn't try it.

Stubbornness is as evident in successful leaders as it is in those who failed because they didn't have the ability to alter a failing course of action or identify when something like that was occurring.
 
Firstly * me, people are quick to turn. I understand that to a degree, we've got a talented list so if we * this up then it's years away.

Secondly, as someone else has said, footy's a game of percentages. We're 10% off, and look it. Why? Who knows.

#1 problem is contested ball. Massively miss Mundy here. Sure he couldn't run back if we lost it, but if he's positioned everyone / blocked / won it himself then that didn't really matter so much. JOM hasn't been the plug and play we hoped. I'm going to put most of that down to chemistry, especially adding Jackson into that mix. Brodie has been down, but overall I think it's the little things; blocks / positioning / 1%ers. Fix this and most of the problems start to fix themselves.

#2 problem is forward craft/personnel. Tabs when on is good, but pretty limited and on the downward slide. Amiss is a star, just needs time, Treacy needs a run to show us what he can do (no he hasn't had ample time yet), ditto Sturt (Fyfe is the odd one out here, and probably Sturt should miss for him IMHO). Switta is a gun, Shultz does the job and Freddie is developing into a gun (albeit can go missing) and Walters can still turn it on. I love Tabs, but it will be interesting to see how the forward movement is this week without him. If it's massively improved, then that should be his cards.

#3 is team spirit. Schofield made a point on the Purple Reign podcast about losing finemasters at the club and impact on palying group morale/cohesion. Forget Lobb, but losing Logue and Acres has massively impacted our off field chemistry. We don't look like we're playing for each other, or doing the hard yards where needed. This could involve the coach, not sure, but something has changed from last year. We're being outworked a lot, so again, fix this and we start fixing the other things.

#4 game plan. Footy moved on massively last year. We haven't. I'm not saying we have to go full cavalier, but our connection between defense and mid/fwds is shocking on the rebound. At our best last year we were doing this, so it isn't beyond us. This has to land at the coaches door. Ross is a lot of things, but one thing he is is a great communicator. To a man, every player that ever played for him always says he makes things really simple and that you understand exactly what your job was. I don't think that's happening now, BUT JL was seen as a great communicator last year, so again not sure what has changed.

Overall, I don't think we're out of it yet, but JL has a lot of work to do to get back the chemistry and fluency of the side at its peak last year. He's earned the year regardless, but not much more given the talent on our list; if he's who we think he is he'll work it out by then. If not get someone else in - the Don Pyke suggestion I like, Jamie Graham may be a bit soon and internal may not be the best, who knows?

TLDR: I haven't got a ******* clue, but JL deserves the season to turn it round.

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Every single point you identified there tracks straight back to the coaches box, every one. I may not agree with the order you have them but I can't argue against any of the ones you raised and summarised well.

The only 2 things I don't agree with are the "Why? Who knows." comment and the "quick to turn" one. The why is clear and has been since we got worked out in the middle of last year. Talent gets us up often but the clearer the path to stopping us becomes as more and more oppo coaches leverage off the growing proof, the more obvious it gets that JL2 is being left behind and is wasting the list he has.

The quick to turn may be true for some but not for all. The volume has been turned up for sure but the concerns aren't new. I know I've driven the mates I go with mad by banging on about obvious mistakes being made in selection dating back to 2021 and the concerns it showed about mindset. I'm far from alone in that view based on who I talk with.

FWIW I also agree with what you said about giving him the season to do get it sorted. No doubt that should happen. But if we finish bottom 6 with this list and low injury toll then he takes over from Connelly as most wastefully damaging coach we've had in my books and we should then move on immediately.

Pike would be my pick and by a decent margin, then Yze, then Graham. But I don't know nearly enough to have an informed opinion. I just hope that Bell isn't part of the next process but I think that's unlikely and we'll therefore end up with his other targeted hire, Graham.
 
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