I agree, but when you look back - you can see the current Essendon success was all set up by Sheedy. It makes me wonder whether he was as senile as he seems.
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I agree, but when you look back - you can see the current Essendon success was all set up by Sheedy. It makes me wonder whether he was as senile as he seems.
Well said.
Welcome to the "Kevin Sheedy Retirement Fund"....opps....sorry, the "RFC 2010 Coaching" position.
even if this is true, who cares, why should we ignore the best candidate on that basis ... we need to treat this as a business decision and be impartial and just get the best man for the job ... biases such as age etc need to be put aside if we are to move forward (and we all agree thats all that matters)
IMO Kevin has always sounded "non-sensical" to a degree ... but has always got the job done ... and i'm basing this on 20+ years of press conferences, interviews etc that i can remember ....when Sheeds talks to the media, you always have to take it with a grain of salt and seem the bigger picture ... but as they say, judge him by his actions and not his words, and his action (results), even in his final year, were still pretty good.
But i also agree with the other comments that he should go through the process just like everyone else. If he is judged the best, then he should get the gig. Biases need to be checked at the door come the time of the process.
Just saying that from an outsider perspective, without the aid of the selection process, Sheeds would be my number 1 choice now.
Egos, Perception and the Media prevented us from giving him the gig instead of Jade Rawlings. (Yes, Jade "flipping" Rawlings.) 4 Flags in 28 years and amazing experience should've seen Sheeds get the role. He was over qualified if anything (and already at Punt Rd)
Easily should've been diven the gig. F&*k perception and Hutchy!!!!
Easily should've been diven the gig. F&*k perception and Hutchy!!!!
Re: KB- “Sheeds wants the Richmond job”
He last coached the bombers to the premiership in 2000. That's just so long ago he'd obviously have no idea what he's doing in these 'modern times'
He last coached the bombers to the premiership in 2000. That's just so long ago he'd obviously have no idea what he's doing in these 'modern times'
He last coached the bombers to the premiership in 2000. That's just so long ago he'd obviously have no idea what he's doing in these 'modern times'
Great call. Malthouse last won a flag in 1994!!!!
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And his time with the Bombres 4 flags to our zero
Swap that and we would be on 14 and not the laughing stock of the competition.
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Delusional.
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none of this really matters as we will probably just appoint campbell anyway.
Actually, Sheedy has admitted he would have left Essendon to coach Richmond after the 1999 season. It was only due to the 1 point loss suffered in the preliminary final to Carlton that he decided to stay. In the end, it turned out to be a wise move as he coached one of the greatest teams of all time to a premiership in 2000.
Sheedy has held the desire to coach the Richmond football club for a long while.
so we can blame Frawley on Fraser Brown. Need some convincing that he was close to taking us on. Cunning bloke who knows the importance of leverage when getting a contract.
I noticed that also.
I dont think his quirkiness really grabs the new generation and a bloke like Matty Knights who is a bit more straight down the line is more likely to be effective.
Often Essendon players used to joke about not understanding what he was on about.
I know there is more about him than that but im struggling to get past Murphy,Allan,Zantuck,Campo. Really should be in the 'keep him away from our list' category like Frawley.
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According to The HUN website this afternoon he has basicaly thrown his hat in the ring now...
“You would always talk to the Tigers if they asked you. I heard Kevin (Barlett) pumped me up this morning on radio … . He knows where I come from. It's good to have a rest for a year and rejuvenate yourself.”
The former Essendon coach said he felt his record at Windy Hill made him a strong candidate.
“Look, at a pinch I couldn't do any worse. I don't apologise for averaging 14 wins a year for the last 27 years,” Sheedy said.
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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25717958-19771,00.html
Interesting times!
“You would always talk to the Tigers if they asked you. I heard Kevin (Barlett) pumped me up this morning on radio … . He knows where I come from. It's good to have a rest for a year and rejuvenate yourself.”
The former Essendon coach said he felt his record at Windy Hill made him a strong candidate.
“Look, at a pinch I couldn't do any worse. I don't apologise for averaging 14 wins a year for the last 27 years,” Sheedy said.
More here:
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25717958-19771,00.html
Interesting times!
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“ I don't apologise for averaging 14 wins a year for the last 27 years,” Sheedy said.
Now thats a statement from a man who knows what he wants.
Now thats a statement from a man who knows what he wants.
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My question on the blog to him was how many players he would move on if he was the Richmond coach in 2010. He just went off into some old senile rant about nothing.
Sweet, just noticed my question features in the article. Bottom 2 paragraphs is the answer he gave me about the list and members, bla bla. I always ask questions on those blogs but normally they don't get through.
Sweet, just noticed my question features in the article. Bottom 2 paragraphs is the answer he gave me about the list and members, bla bla. I always ask questions on those blogs but normally they don't get through.
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Haven't really had an opinion on the coaching position, but I do have one with regards to Sheedy and a couple of his comments.
At the start of the year, he was the one who said we could win a flag, now in his blog he says he wouldn't necessarily cut a heap of players off the current list. Do we really want a coach to come in who is possibly going to look at topping up a list that currently sits bottom 3?
I want someone who is going to come in and make hard calls from the start and get rid of players that are no longer deemed capable of taking this list forward.
At the start of the year, he was the one who said we could win a flag, now in his blog he says he wouldn't necessarily cut a heap of players off the current list. Do we really want a coach to come in who is possibly going to look at topping up a list that currently sits bottom 3?
I want someone who is going to come in and make hard calls from the start and get rid of players that are no longer deemed capable of taking this list forward.
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That's why I asked him. I want and I think we need someone who rates our list as bottom 8 if not bottom 4 and is prepared to cull like there's no tommorow instead of topping up such as Wallace did to save his own ass. Sheedy has a record of topping up at the Bombers too in his last few years.
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I think your drawing a long bow their. What he says in a blog in the spur of the moment would be different to how he answers the same question if and when interviewed for the job (imo) And on us winning the flag, KB spoke about that this morning, and right from the start (after he was immediately quizzed on it) Sheeds said it wasn’t a statement of fact but more a gee up for the players that anything is possible. Now that was straight after the comment, not now months after the event.
But it would be a good question to ask - If you got the job would a total rebuild be the main objective or cautious list management/recruiting. It also comes down to the new committee and their direction. Questions should somehow be asked of them if possible, to find out which way we are heading.
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The problem with us getting that, is the board. Unless they are open to rating the list like that then I have serious doubts as to whether they would appoint someone like that. I believe it was part of the reason that Hardwick didn't get the Bombers job in the end, as he told their board that they were a bottom 8 list and would need to make serious cuts to turn things around. Knights went in a told them that they were good enough to make finals in 2-3 years time and he got the job. Something tells me we might end up going with the bloke who blows enough smoke up the arse of the board and tells them what they want to hear.
It kind of like us going for a job, if you tell a prospective employer that their company sucks and their employees are amongst the worst in the business, they aren't exactly going to jump up and offer you the job. However if you tell them that its a great company and that they have one of the best workforces in the business they'd probably offer you the job before you left.
Why would Sheedy need to be our coach to change the culture of the club?
Why not look at appointing him president and still go with the option of appointing a "new breed" coach?
Could this solve both issues?
Its ridiculous to suggest that the only reason Knights got the job was because he blew smoke up the Ess board arse.
He was highly regarded by the club for developing young players. That had a lot more to do with why he got the job.
Ess is probably the most professionally run club in the AFL. If we ran our club half as well as they do we would have been played in a lot more finals.
here's a thought, how would your opinion change if the options wasnt just sheedy, but SHEEDY + HIRD (assistant, being groomed to take over in 1-2 years).
I'm a sheedy supporter, but this would add to make it even better in my opnion.
Those against the sheedy option, would Sheedy + Hird change your mind???
We get the best of both worlds - an experienced, tough grandmaster coach who can make the hard calls and get prime the list, all the while training up a natural born leader in Hird, who is young and could coach for many years to come. It would be the perfect apprenticeship for Hirdy. Based on his articles and what i've seen on him, i think he would make an excellent senior coach in time. These 2 have worked together before for many years, why not again. Plus, we can finally get one back at Essendon and take their former superstar captain. The marketing/memberships angle would also work a treat.
I'm a sheedy supporter, but this would add to make it even better in my opnion.
Those against the sheedy option, would Sheedy + Hird change your mind???
We get the best of both worlds - an experienced, tough grandmaster coach who can make the hard calls and get prime the list, all the while training up a natural born leader in Hird, who is young and could coach for many years to come. It would be the perfect apprenticeship for Hirdy. Based on his articles and what i've seen on him, i think he would make an excellent senior coach in time. These 2 have worked together before for many years, why not again. Plus, we can finally get one back at Essendon and take their former superstar captain. The marketing/memberships angle would also work a treat.
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For me its
1- Sheeds / Hird
2- Buckley
3- Campbell
4-The rest
Hardwick dosnt inspire me after being overlooked by 2 other clubs
