Lachie Neale wants to come home to fremantle [or does he?!?]

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[Paracleet]

There is risk in everything. The upside on grouped picks around 7 and 8 is Serong and Young (two of the comps best 30 players in picked in one draft with a non top 3 pick) to a median of Coffield and Clark (solid afl players) to a downside risk of Petrevski-Seton and Scrimshaw (uguh).

Neale takes us closer to finals but further from premiership is pithy, but really it's nonsense. Setting aside giving up multiple first and or second rounders which would be stupid, whether we take Neale or an early mid first round pick is not going to make or break our premiership window.

In fact I don't even subscribe to the view that our list is that unbalanced. Add a full seasons experience onto our best players under 23 (and Logue) and I think we're top 4 already if some of the supporting cast was better (bottom six! I know I keep harping on about it).

 

[WaywardSonSon]

Bell, Peter Bell.

 

[theGav56]

Aren't we concerned that Neale moved to Brisbane to get away from the media glare of a football state?

 

[Joao]

There is risk in everything. The upside on grouped picks around 7 and 8 is Serong and Young (two of the comps best 30 players in picked in one draft with a non top 3 pick) to a median of Coffield and Clark (solid afl players) to a downside risk of Petrevski-Seton and Scrimshaw (uguh).

Neale takes us closer to finals but further from premiership is pithy, but really it's nonsense. Setting aside giving up multiple first and or second rounders which would be stupid, whether we take Neale or an early mid first round pick is not going to make or break our premiership window.

In fact I don't even subscribe to the view that our list is that unbalanced. Add a full seasons experience onto our best 25 players under 23 (and Logue) and I think we're top 4 already if some of the supporting cast was better (bottom six! I know I keep harping on about it).

Eh? Scrimshaw is a good player now but that's not a massive deal.

What I take severe objection to is our list balance. Our forward options are bottom 8 standard at best. That is probably being generous given the talent in some of the bottom teams forward lines, even if unrealised.

The only thing we need less than inside mids is defenders.

I also object to the idea of 1 player not being able to make a difference. That would totally depend on the player and the team. For example, stick any B+ or better KPF in Freo 2012-2015 and we could easily snatch a flag.

Now we are no guarantee to pick that player in the draft but I am all but 100% certain Neale isn't that player either and he only gets 50-100 games to be it. The other guy gets potentially a whole 200-300 game career.

 

[wild side]

More i sleep on it, more I don't want to play!
Always ends badly for us, but the Fletcher and Power comparison is a furphy in the podcast.
We were trying to build a team at that time, Brizzy had a 10% higher salary cap (bullshit), and Fletcher was a great servant of Freo
Actually in 2003, Brisbane spent $8 mill on player salaries, when the basic cap was $5.92 million.
No wonder they had a great team

 

[Joao]

More i sleep on it, more I don't want to play!
Always ends badly for us, but the Fletcher and Power comparison is a furphy in the podcast.
We were trying to build a team at that time, Brizzy had a 10% higher salary cap (bullshit), and Fletcher was a great servant of Freo

Do you want great servants or flags?

 

[WaywardSonSon]

Aren't we concerned that Neale moved to Brisbane to get away from the media glare of a football state?

The dude posts more Instagram selfies featuring expensive designer clothing items than Hailey Bieber! I'm not so sure...

 

[Purple Suit]

There is risk in everything. The upside on grouped picks around 7 and 8 is Serong and Young (two of the comps best 30 players in picked in one draft with a non top 3 pick) to a median of Coffield and Clark (solid afl players) to a downside risk of Petrevski-Seton and Scrimshaw (uguh).

Neale takes us closer to finals but further from premiership is pithy, but really it's nonsense. Setting aside giving up multiple first and or second rounders which would be stupid, whether we take Neale or an early mid first round pick is not going to make or break our premiership window.

In fact I don't even subscribe to the view that our list is that unbalanced. Add a full seasons experience onto our best 25 players under 23 (and Logue) and I think we're top 4 already if some of the supporting cast was better (bottom six! I know I keep harping on about it).

We're bottom 4 with injury lists. Fix that next year and it will solve a lot of problems. The guns will do the rest.

 

[Yeti]

We're bottom 4 with injury lists. Fix that next year and it will solve a lot of problems. The guns will do the rest.

How many years have posters said the same thing now?

It's not just the injuries it's the lack of development because of them. People keep referencing Sturt as our big forward line hope. He may not remember how to kick a footy by the time he plays for us again.

 

[Joao]

How many years have posters said the same thing now?

It's not just the injuries it's the lack of development because of them. People keep referencing Sturt as our big forward line hope. He may not remember how to kick a footy by the time he plays for us again.

I agree, the missed development time is massive.

 

[wild side]

Do you want great servants or flags?

i think that what Duffield said is true, Neale will get us closer to finals, and further away from a flag!

 

[Moist Biscuit]

How many years have posters said the same thing now?

It's not just the injuries it's the lack of development because of them. People keep referencing Sturt as our big forward line hope. He may not remember how to kick a footy by the time he plays for us again.

Yep 2022 is a huge year for Sturt, you would think another injury interrupted season and he's either moved on or moved to the rookie list. We wasted enough list spots on Morabito, Bennell etc in the past.

 

[Yeti]

Yep 2022 is a huge year for Sturt, you would think another injury interrupted season and he's either moved on or moved to the rookie list. We wasted enough list spots on Morabito, Bennell etc in the past.

Every time Mora is mentioned I feel a bit sad. Lovely gentleman, could have been anything.

I always think about how 2013 could have looked with him not being injured and then too it off with that training session where he did his knee in a nothing drill.

How good is being a Freo supporter.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Every time Mora is mentioned I feel a bit sad. Lovely gentleman, could have been anything.

I always think about how 2013 could have looked with him not being injured and then too it off with that training session where he did his knee in a nothing drill.

How good is being a Freo supporter.

Yep. Basically our whole backline being on one leg for the grand final also didnt help. Just gotta hope we are kissed on the dick from by the footy gods from here on in.

 

[manpurple]

Deal.

Freo trade Cerra for #7 and #16
Freo trade Lobb and #27 to WB for #15 and 2022 1st

Freo trade #15, #16 and WB 2022 First to Brisbane for Neale and #14

Freo use #7, #8 and #14 at the draft.

WB will go top 4 next year so that future R1 is pick 14 to 18. Assume 18 for the moment, this values Neale at pick 5. Ouch.
I like the rest of the trades, a lot.
But I would be happier with a bit more out of Brissy.

 

[apuchar]

i think that what Duffield said is true, Neale will get us closer to finals, and further away from a flag!

Telling young Victorian's that finals is coming next year, next year, next year is also going to move us further from a premiership

 

[raffrox]

Telling young Victorian's that finals is coming next year, next year, next year is also going to move us further from a premiership

There's that. If we keep one highly rated player because we play finals sooner then that might make a reasonable Neale deal worth it.

 

[Paracleet]

Eh? Scrimshaw is a good player now but that's not a massive deal.

What I take severe objection to is our list balance. Our forward options are bottom 8 standard at best. That is probably being generous given the talent in some of the bottom teams forward lines, even if unrealised.

The only thing we need less than inside mids is defenders.

I also object to the idea of 1 player not being able to make a difference. That would totally depend on the player and the team. For example, stick any B+ or better KPF in Freo 2012-2015 and we could easily snatch a flag.

Now we are no guarantee to pick that player in the draft but I am all but 100% certain Neale isn't that player either and he only gets 50-100 games to be it. The other guy gets potentially a whole 200-300 game career.

The quality of our side in 2025 is going to virtually entirely depend on how good the best 12 or 15 players we have under 23 now turn out to be, I.e. the ones we have collected in the 2016 to 2020 drafts, because they are the ones that are going to be the backbone of the side. The players we have now that will decide whether we are good enough as team to win that first flag. Not Lachie Neale and one draft pick between 8 and 10 or two more draft picks between 8 and 10. They are cream.

 

[vidwhal]

He's 29 in May and like I've said previously has skipped end of seasons surgery maybe twice in his entire career.

He was always carrying something with us, he's added more to that at Brisbane.

Interesting. People are yapping about what kind of bloke Neale is just in the way that he doesn't seem to communicate in an open way. Is he the type to withhold injuries from club doctors in the same way?

 

[Purple Suit]

i think that what Duffield said is true, Neale will get us closer to finals, and further away from a flag!

I disagree, everyday we are closer to a premiership unless we fold or never win one.

Making finals gives experience, which is important. No one wins it first final series and having older players is great for onfield leadership. Fyfe & Walters pull a Mundy at the same time in 3 years and it could give us a shot.

What he says would only be true if getting Lachie Neale in cost us a flag. This depends what we give up but I feel 1 kid is not going to change this but there is a better chance LN gets us over the line.

 

[Yeti]

It's not just the principal of giving up say 2 decent or good draft picks for Neale that concerns me.

It would be Fremantle yet again not sticking to a plan. I'm all for being adaptive and taking advantage of situations but we have gone out and spent good draft picks on good players who are good...... In his exact position.

If he chose to stay we could have fleshed out our list knowing we had one of the premier inside mids in the comp.

The club should just throw out their list management strategy to accommodate him?

I'm moving from a "get him if he is cheap enough" to a "No thanks, best of luck in Brisbane".

 

[vidwhal]

It would value him at about pick 10 and allow you to retain two first-rounders. Fair enough if you don't agree.

I think what a lot of us want here is not to pass up another opportunity to draft two top tenners. As you say, not many teams will have 2 first rounders in the bank, let alone 2 in the top 10. I think we'd like another Serong/Young combo to walk through the door than the prodigal son. It's just too good to pass up.

 

[freo1997]

GC have stated pick 5 is up for sale for the right price.. ****ing work on that first ffs. Make that priority.

Lobb, Future 2nd, a Tucker or someone in that calibre in there. Pay a bit of Lobbs salary while we're at it to make it more enticing.

We will then have pick 5, 8 (from carlton) and pick 10.

Split pick 5 with Richmond and get their pick 9 and pick 18.

Send 10 and 18 to Brisbane for Neale and they give us their 2nd round pick.

We go to the draft with Pick 8 and 9.


We just need a package for GC that's enticing for them.

 

[manpurple]

GC have stated pick 5 is up for sale for the right price.. ******* work on that first ffs. Make that priority.

Lobb, Future 2nd, a Tucker or someone in that calibre in there. Pay a bit of Lobbs salary while we're at it to make it more enticing.

We will then have pick 5, 8 (from carlton) and pick 10.

Split pick 5 with Richmond and get their pick 9 and pick 18.

Send 10 and 18 to Brisbane for Neale and they give us their 2nd round pick.

We go to the draft with Pick 8 and 9.


We just need a package for GC that's enticing for them.

You had me until you offered 10 & 18 for Neale. Even 10 by itself is hard for me to stomach.

 

[vidwhal]

All of you ready to microwave your memberships if we trade 6 and 8 for 15 and 18 might want to start warming up your index fingers

Well......thanks, at least, for the heads up.