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Re: Amazing Stats....

seriously, how could he be enjoying football when only 1 pass a week is thrown in his direction. no doubt, part of being a good DB is honouring your assignment play after play after play.....but hell, give him something to do.

if the opportunity arose to really strengthen the offensive and defensive lines........and im not talking about throwing around big money to just anyone here.....then GM McGarnacle would seriously consider parting ways with 'Asomwaahh' if his market price was too high and it meant the trenches could become solid with the money saved. the reality is, the Raiders would have to pony up more than any other team to retain his services on a long-term deal. there aint much 'prestige' associated with the raiders franchise at the mo and they'd have to offer a premium to keep him. so they'll just FT him again and perhaps allow him to deal with other teams and hope one of them is willing to give up the draft picks, plus the cash his after to snag him. he might enjoy playing elsewhere where a team will utilise a predominantly zone coverage. he'll see more ball thrown his way playing off the man than sticking with him as he does in the notorius man system played in oakland.

yeah, it all sounds good......but i doubt it.
 
Re: Amazing Stats....

It certainly seems that in the eyes of the majority, or the unititated that INT's are the only stat that count when you're a DB, as he should rightfully be voted to the pro bowl this year. The fact that no one throws his way was the obvious reason Hall was signed. A similar situation persisted in Denver a couple of years back, teams stopped throwing Champ's way, and poor old Darrent Williams - RIP - was mercilessly picked on by Peyton Manning and the likes. Dre' Bly was signed to even the field but like DeAngelo has had little success. The Browns' Leigh Bodden was a beneficiary of being targeted so often as his INT count was way up last year, and he got a decent contract with the Lions. Unsurprisingly his numbers are down.

As GM McGarnacle says though, you can have the best DB's in the world, but if the QB has all day to throw, it doesn't matter a pinch of goat sh ite. Just ask the '9ers and the bucket load they shelled out for Nate Clemens. Nevertheless, I'd be signing him up long term, with the QB talent in the AFC and especially the AFC West it would be remiss of big Al not to do so...
 
Re: Amazing Stats....

mcgarnacle said:
seriously, how could he be enjoying football when only 1 pass a week is thrown in his direction. no doubt, part of being a good DB is honouring your assignment play after play after play.....but hell, give him something to do.
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He might have to let a couple through!
 

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manureid said:
And probably won't make the Pro-Bowl. Wonder what sort of stats he would have if he was targeted more often?
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This may help. just played Madden 09 against the Raiders, as the Bengals. gave up being down 10-0 because i couldnt do anything offensively.

5 targets in Assomugha's directions
2 interceptions
1 catch 9 yards
1 drop
1 pass deflection

and one interception was on a curl route. on man on man. bluddy hell, how did he know that chad johnson was stopping.
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Shanahan owes Raiders money too

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One of the most widely-held beliefs in media and league circles is that the Raiders still owe former coach Mike Shanahan a large chunk of money.

And that’s true. To be precise, they owe him $157,625, plus roughly 15 years of interest. (In some jurisdictons, the pre-judgment interest rate would push the total amount due over $400,000.)

But what isn’t known (or at least hasn’t been reported) is that the Shanahan owes the Raiders money, too.

Specifically, he owes the team $125,000.

Though the amount isn’t technically due to be paid until 2025, it’s believed that his debt to the team is one of the reasons for his decision to never file a legal action aimed at compelling the franchise to pay what is owed to him.

And even though he apparently owes no interest on the amount until the due date in 2025, there’s another angle that could result in Shanahan being stuck with a hefty tax bill.

Since the $125,000 debt was the result of a loan from the Raiders to Shanahan, the Raiders could forgive the loan at any time, triggering the instant transformation of the debt to income.

And, as we understand it, the IRS would impute interest onto the original loan, possibly increasing significantly the number that would constitute additional income to Shanahan.

Though it’s unclear whether Shanahan has refrained from pushing the matter because of that specific angle, the fact remains that, for whatever reason, he hasn’t filed suit to recover the money owed to him. It’s possible that he has opted instead to simply use the situation as a tool for generating good P.R. for himself, and further bad P.R. for a franchise that has seen plenty of it over the years, and in plenty of cases justifiably.

In this case, the Raiders also are partially in the wrong. They owe Shanahan $157,625, and never have paid the debt. But the other side of the coin here is that Shanahan also owes the team $125,000.
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Re: Death of Cable's father delays Raiders HC selection

Ryder Is God said:
Cable's father died a couple of days ago which has probably put off the announcement of the Raiders head coach.
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This makes me think that Cable will be named, and the Raiders are just waiting for him to get back from the funeral and all that stuff.

I think Kiffen would of been brilliant, if Lane could of gotten Monte over.

IMO they need a good DC to coach or someone who is good of making something out of nothing (who is Indy's DC)

They need a good QB coach as well, Cam Cameron? or somebody else who has experience of leading a young QB to something, Moore? (from Indy as well)
 
Re: Death of Cable's father delays Raiders HC selection

I don't think it shows their hand one way or the other TBH.

If the Raiders are delaying the decision because of respect to the incumbent (whether he has the job or not), it would be a pretty classy action from an organistion not often credited for it.
 
Re: Shanahan owes Raiders money too

Al Davis needs another bean counter instead of being a 'hands on' GM & owner.

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Re: Shanahan owes Raiders money too

Or it could be that the $125,000 he owes is canceled out by what they owe him? WOuld it be worth while with legal bill for what amount to $25,000? Even the $125,000 would be eaten up quite a bit by Davis's legal team you'd suspect.
 
Al Davis and the '83 Raiders

We love to make fun of Al and his woebegone franchise, but once they were great (really, they were) and had some of the most colorful characters to ever play the game.

I read a great AL Davis and Raiders story today about those days. Sam Farmer, a writer from the LA Times recounted the 1983 LA Raiders Super Bowl win over the Redskins and the "psychological warfare" that Al played on Washington.

Check it out below. Raiders fans will love it. I enjoyed it and I am a 49ers fan.


These Raiders just won, baby


Everything about the L.A. Raiders' 1984 champions was outsized, from their play-hard, live-fast ethos to their ostentatious Super Bowl rings
By Sam Farmer
January 25, 2009
Reporting from Tampa, Fla. -- The world champion Los Angeles Raiders.

The name has quite a ring to it.






A big, glistening Super Bowl ring -- the only one ever won by an L.A. team; a ring from the 1983 season that seldom leaves the finger of old Raiders such as defensive lineman Greg Townsend. He remembers Raiders owner Al Davis "wanted a ring so nice and clean, if we met the queen we wouldn't be afraid to show it to her."

Twenty-five years ago, the Raiders were king. This is, appropriately, their silver anniversary. That silver-and-black team dominated the Washington Redskins, 38-9, right here in Tampa, site of Super Bowl XLIII between the Arizona Cardinals and Pittsburgh Steelers.

"We weren't city champs, we weren't state champs, we were world champs," said Townsend, whose voice still cracks at the words. "If nothing else -- if nothing else -- they can say that about me."

They can say it about Coach Tom Flores too, and Jim Plunkett, Marcus Allen, Lyle Alzado, Todd Christensen, Mike Haynes, Lester Hayes, Howie Long and the rest of the roster.

Then, there's the massive rectangular ring, silver with a black background, and clusters of diamonds forming three footballs on end -- representing the club's NFL championships in the 1976, 1980 and 1983 seasons.

"People still go goo-goo and gaga over it," Townsend said. "I love looking at it. It's still a huge deal for me. All sparkly."

There are enduring memories from the game, at the time the most lopsided Super Bowl. There was Jack Squirek's interception for a touchdown at the end of the first half, Allen's field-reversing 74-yard touchdown run, Davis' raising his fist on the locker-room platform and giving the world a "Just win, baby!"

"Just like Al Davis said in the locker room, we weren't just the greatest Raiders team, but one of the greatest teams of all time," said Rod Martin, a star linebacker on that team. "We were so confident to the point where we just felt invincible."

And on that Super Bowl night -- with the world watching -- they were. But there are lots of behind-the-scenes stories the cameras didn't capture, the microphones didn't pick up, the players didn't talk about at the time.

Ten stories, mostly from the Raiders' side of Super Bowl XVIII, you're not likely to have heard or read:

1-Washington is a lot closer to Tampa than L.A. is, but Davis wanted the Redskins to feel like strangers in a strange land.

And there's no land stranger than Raiderland.

So Davis, in a brilliant piece of psychological warfare, rented benches and billboards all over Tampa and plastered them with signs reading, "COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE." He made a special effort to post those along the Redskins' route from the airport to their hotel.

What's more, Davis had thousands of paper place mats printed with the Raiders' logo and sayings, and distributed them to all the fast-food restaurants around Washington's hotel. Anything to make the Redskins feel like guests who had worn out their welcome.

Lastly, he made sure that 60,000 Raiders pompoms were handed out by Boy Scouts in the surrounding parking lots before the game. The NFL wouldn't allow the Raiders -- or any team -- to hand those out at the gates.

By kickoff, the stadium was awash in silver and black. Instant fans!


2-Davis also knew what motivated his players -- and it wasn't pompoms, place mats or bus benches.

It was cold cash.

An undeniable incentive was the $38,000 each member of the winning team would receive. That was a staggering amount, considering the average NFL salary in 1983 was $152,800.

To inspire his troops the week before the game, Davis had team executive Mike Ornstein withdraw a huge amount of money in $1 bills -- Ornstein remembers it being $100,000 -- and form a massive pile of cash in a large meeting room. The money was then covered with a sheet that Flores pulled off with his team watching. The message: If you win, here's what your reward will look like.

"The players went nuts," Ornstein recalled. "When you see that much money sitting there, it's pretty impressive."

It wasn't all about the wallet, of course. Not even close.

"We knew the money was going to be there," Martin said. "We still had the love of the game. We wanted to prove to people that you can be the underdogs and still be the champions."


3-Occasionally, with all the practicing they do, teams hit an emotional flatline during Super Bowl week. They go crazy waiting for kickoff. In those situations, some teams respond to a rousing pep talk.

The Raiders preferred a good fistfight.

"We had a reputation that every time we'd have a fight in practice, we were going to win," defensive tackle Reggie Kinlaw said. "Every week we had a fight. Grab a face mask, slap him around."

That's what happened during Super Bowl week, when offensive line coach Sam Boghosian pulled aside linebacker Matt Millen and told him to pick a fight with someone. So, on the next play, Millen came in on a blitz and started throwing punches.

His combatant? Guard Mickey Marvin, one of the friendliest, most gentlemanly guys on the team. In the retelling, different people have different versions as to why Millen picked Marvin. Some say it was because Millen decided before the snap that he'd fight whoever picked him up on the blitz. Others say it was because Marvin wasn't a very good fighter, and the smaller Millen figured he could get in a few good punches before the big bear turned on him.


4-People could see right tackle Henry Lawrence coming from a mile away.

Almost literally.

Lawrence, who answered to the nickname "Killer," drove a canary-yellow Cadillac Eldorado with whitewalls, running boards, a spare-tire case on the back, and -- just for show -- glistening chrome pipes sprouting up from the undercarriage.

"There was no mistaking whose car it was when you saw it anywhere in Los Angeles," Townsend said.

And Lawrence was a man about town. He used to hit the bars all over, particularly the ones with live music. He loved to sit in and sing, and he had a good voice. "(Sittin' On) The Dock of the Bay" was one of his favorites.

In light of his wheels, it's not surprising that Lawrence's favorite saying on the football field -- one yelled throughout Super Bowl week -- was, "Drive that car, man! Drive that car!"

Even if his teammates didn't always know precisely what he meant, they did know this: When the Raiders' offense was rolling, standing in their way was like stepping off the curb into traffic. Blindfolded.


5-On Thursday night before the game, Long learned more than he ever wanted to know about Super Bowl traffic patterns. He was rushing back to the team hotel after making a paid TV appearance, when cars slowed to a crawl about a half-mile from his destination. He was driving a generic rental car that was utterly nondescript . . . except for the giant Super Bowl decal on the side.

Realizing he was going to miss curfew if he stayed in that bumper-to-bumper snarl, Long simply left his car in the street and ran back to the hotel.

Ah, to be a 23-year-old football star . . .

Long, by the way, barely made it back to his room in time.

"Good thing Willie Brown started bed-check at the other end of the hall," he said.


6-On game day, just as they did each week, Long, Alzado and Bill Pickel took a taxi to the stadium. (They liked to get there very early to prepare.)

"Today, if we were taking a cab to the stadium, roads would be blocked off, there would be concrete barriers, helicopter escorts, police escorts . . . " Long said.

Back then, traffic was the only problem -- and there was a lot of it. The players decided to get out of the cab and walk the final three-quarters of a mile to the stadium, through a sea of Raiders and Redskins fans.

"How surreal was that in 1984? Probably a little bit," Long said. "But today, it would be Martian level. It would be like seeing E.T. walking down the street. Imagine if you're at the Super Bowl now, and all of a sudden you see Ben Roethlisberger come walking down the street with his shoulder bag."


7-Washington, which had beaten the Raiders at home, 37-35, earlier in the season, was favored by three points.

Judging by the body language of the Redskins during warmups, however, they didn't think the game would be that close.

"You know when the special teams go out a little bit early?" Haynes said. "When they came out, the crowd reacted and the players reacted like they were the best team. Like they didn't have to prove it. I had a feeling like, 'Gosh, these guys don't even respect us.' "

Haynes, a Pro Bowl cornerback, had yet to be traded to the Raiders when the teams played earlier in the season and second-year sensation Allen participated in one play because of a sore hip. Star receiver Cliff Branch also was sidelined by a hamstring injury early in that game. So these Super Bowl Raiders were a different team.

But Washington players didn't seem a bit concerned about that.

"There was definitely no fear in them," Haynes said. "You could see it in their body language, the way they warmed up, the way they looked at our players, the way they even said hello. It wasn't like they really had a lot of respect for us."

Oops.


8- Raiders-Redskins was the first Super Bowl for longtime NFL writer Larry Weisman of USA Today. Naturally, because he was a rookie, he didn't get the plum assignment.

His beat was waiting in the Redskins' hotel lobby and reporting on tidbits he could pick up from players. He was, in a way, a Washington lobbyist.

Truth be told, he didn't report everything he saw.

"There were certain comings and goings which decency and family standards limited my reporting," he said.

"Plus," he added, "I didn't want to get punched in the face."


9-Twenty-four hours before kickoff, Steve Sabol, then a jack-of-all-trades for NFL Films, was at Tampa Stadium going through a dry run with the rest of the crew.

At one point, heeding nature's call, Sabol walked into a men's room. There, he heard a woman's voice coming from one of the stalls. Then, he heard a man's voice coming from the same stall.

Awkward as it was, he walked over and slowly pushed open the door.

Inside was a sheepish and fully clothed couple dressed head to toe in Raiders garb. At their feet was a cooler, presumably containing their dinner. They had planned to sneak into the game by waiting it out in the restroom -- overnight! -- and made Sabol promise not to rat them out. Maybe they were going to use those paper toilet-seat covers as place mats. Or bibs.

Either way, Sabol kept his word.

"I didn't tell anybody," he said. "I don't know if they got into the game or not."

The guy sitting way up in the nosebleeds might have been happy to know his weren't the absolute worst seats in the house.


10-The NFL Films recap of Super Bowl XVIII was called "Black Sunday" and is a collector's item among fans of the great narrator John Facenda.

Why?

It was the final film for Facenda, 74, who died of lung cancer three months later.

Sabol penned the script for that film, and said Facenda made the words in the last line "sound like they were carved on stone tablets."

The words: "The 1983 Raiders are an honor to the team's glorious past, and the world champions of pro football's present."
 

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Re: Al Davis and the '83 Raiders

Fantastic article. Sums up why it will be great for the league when the Raiders are a force again. On the team itself, I think the '83 Raiders are one of the most underrated teams ever. They were ranked the 20th best winner by an NFL Films panel but they smashed a Redskins team that went 14-2, with the two losses only by a point each, and that set the record for points scored in a season. Just another case of the NFL conspiracy against the Raiders ;)
 
Re: Al Davis and the '83 Raiders

The raiders were great for roughly 40/46 years. Those 6 years being the last 6 years.
There were some down times in that 40 year period. But the stats are there....the Raiders were the most winningest team in football just before that 6 year slide, and even after it, we're still like 4th most winningest. That's a great achievment in a league such as the NFL. Especially when in the past the Raiders were always an organization that was working like a modern Free Agency franchise. Like what the Pats do these days is what the Raiders are famous for.

While dynasties like the Niners, Cowboys, etc were draft-orientated teams who could hold together dynasties for decades, the Raiders instead were mainly scouring around for the undesirables, the unwanted, the cast-aways and over-the-hill players, and building winning teams season to season. Raiders have always been about "reloading, not rebuilding". So it was quite an achievement of sustained success.
 
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gg said:
The raiders were great for roughly 40/46 years. Those 6 years being the last 6 years.
There were some down times in that 40 year period. But the stats are there....the Raiders were the most winningest team in football just before that 6 year slide, and even after it, we're still like 4th most winningest. That's a great achievment in a league such as the NFL. Especially when in the past the Raiders were always an organization that was working like a modern Free Agency franchise. Like what the Pats do these days is what the Raiders are famous for.

While dynasties like the Niners, Cowboys, etc were draft-orientated teams who could hold together dynasties for decades, the Raiders instead were mainly scouring around for the undesirables, the unwanted, the cast-aways and over-the-hill players, and building winning teams season to season. Raiders have always been about "reloading, not rebuilding". So it was quite an achievement of sustained success.
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GG, with only 3 playoff appearances in the 1990s, you can hardly call them great.
 
Re: Al Davis and the '83 Raiders

Before this 6 years, the Raiders were the most winningest team. Cant take that away from them. Nor some of the other records they have like only team to play in 4 different decade SBs. Or most AFC Championship appearances. Or the W-L records against all football teams. Greatness is not just SB's. I wouldnt say the Niners werent great if they didnt win 5 SBs. Their record during that Walsh era was great. As was Cowboys under Landry. Etc. Or Redskins under Gibbs. Or Dolphins under Shula. Marino is a great despite 0 SB wins. Etc.

They had a sustained period of success, and I did say, they had some downs thru that.

You know, the Raiders in the past 10 years have won more playoffs, won more Conf Championships, been to more Conf championship games, and won more divisional titles than the Broncos and Cowboys. That's 10 years where the last 6 the raiders have been the worst franchise in NFL history (most 10+ losses in a season in consecutive seasons).
 
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successful?

greatest winning percentage?
 

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