Let's talk Ports! Part 3

[Doctor Feel]

Thank god for that.

 

[edgie]

Water is wet.

 

[bomberclifford]

Don't leave us hanging, are they 'Yes' or 'No'?

 

[Ford Fairlane]

The coach has signed a 2 year deal!

 

[Grave Danger]

The coach has signed a 2 year deal!

Shirley they could wait and see how the finals pan out - I mean, what if Port go out in straight sets?!

 

[Prison bar Pete]

The coach has signed a 2 year deal!

Give him another 2 years now!

 

[Schulzenfest]

Don't leave us hanging, are they 'Yes' or 'No'?

I hear Taylor Walker will be writing an article in support of the no vote as soon as he can find some suitable crayons.

 

[edgie]

Hell vote yes, and follow up with 'its the right thing to do for the racial slurs'

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[chiwigi]

Don't leave us hanging, are they 'Yes' or 'No'?

I'd love a club to come out with a NO statement.

Not because I agree, so that it balances the nonsense.

 

[El Zorro]

I'd love a club to come out with a NO statement.

Not because I agree, so that it balances the nonsense.

I am surprised so many companies and institutions are getting behind the Yes vote when it's clear the reality is a lot more divisive. This is not a given like same-sex marriage.

 

[bomberclifford]

I'd love a club to come out with a NO statement.

Not because I agree, so that it balances the nonsense.

If you read the various posts from clubs, none of them actually say 'vote Yes', they give a soft 'support' type message and then say everyone has the right to vote how they choose so go and get more info.

It's literally worse than saying nothing.

 

[chiwigi]

If you read the various posts from clubs, none of them actually say 'vote Yes', they give a soft 'support' type message and then say everyone has the right to vote how they choose so go and get more info.

It's literally worse than saying nothing.

Eugh, makes the bunch of wank an even bigger bunch of wank.

 

[Andre]

If you read the various posts from clubs, none of them actually say 'vote Yes', they give a soft 'support' type message and then say everyone has the right to vote how they choose so go and get more info.

It's literally worse than saying nothing.

The problem is the government isn't providing enough info, so that's a great help! Either come out and explicitly state that it's tokenistic and if a future government wants to introduce any law the body disagrees with, they can do the proverbial 'Up yours to them' or come out and say they will be able to stop a future government.

They are trying to have it both ways - getting yes votes from 'giving a voice', but not to the point of increasing no votes. There's a lot less Yes votes to lose by saying outright, it's going to just be another advisory body governments can ignore, for no detriment, then No votes they are causing by not saying this.

 

[Doctor Feel]

I'm for well legislated stuff that makes sense. I'm going to be voting no because it's a pile of ****ing garbage and no one can even articulate what it is or how it benefits anyone beyond more bureaucracy. We already have elected indigenous senators and MPs, there is no restrictions on them at all. We aren't talking about making something illegal, legal here.

Such an incredible waste of time and money for the country right now (mind you, there is a ****tonne that fits into that bucket).

What has happened with that native title law in WA is probably the final nail in a dying campaign for the yes vote.

 

[Chrizzt]

I am surprised so many companies and institutions are getting behind the Yes vote when it's clear the reality is a lot more divisive. This is not a given like same-sex marriage.

There's absolutely no risk for corporations to come out in support, while not voicing support or even worse opposing, could lead to a strong backlash from certain demographics. Bit of a no brainer to just release a little media statement in support.

 

[TeeKray]

I can do without a morality lecture from a football club which, amongst other things, has many of its prominent employees involved in a greyhound racing syndicate.

 

[Doctor Feel]

I can do without a morality lecture from a football club which, amongst other things, has many of its prominent employees involved in a greyhound racing syndicate.

Stop bringing politics into sport, its ****ing lame.

 

[1954]

And Tim Evans could kick a football.

He was definitely a magnificent kick, after an average first season at chb where he could find the ball ok but his lack of pace could sometimes be exploited, Jack Cahill tried him at full forward in a preseason game where he banged through 5 or 6 big ones and from memory never played in defence again.

 

[StrappingTape]

The problem is the government isn't providing enough info, so that's a great help! Either come out and explicitly state that it's tokenistic and if a future government wants to introduce any law the body disagrees with, they can do the proverbial 'Up yours to them' or come out and say they will be able to stop a future government.

They are trying to have it both ways - getting yes votes from 'giving a voice', but not to the point of increasing no votes. There's a lot less Yes votes to lose by saying outright, it's going to just be another advisory body governments can ignore, for no detriment, then No votes they are causing by not saying this.

The problem for the yes case is that there's nothing stopping them creating the body through legislation right now nor can they articulate exactly how this is going to change anything against loads of past evidence that ideas like this were ineffective, plus there's absolutely no need to constitutionally enshrine it. They don't know what the high court might do if it's in the constitution so they can't answer and you can guarantee that unintended consequences will ensure. Let's remember the ridiculous citizenship crap from the high court interpreting that ridiculously.

Why is the football club even saying anything on this anyway, it's a personal yes/no vote that effects everyone if it goes ahead, it doesn't effect the football club. There's literally no reason for any organisation or club to get involved besides a virtue signal that as of now is just going to irritate people both ways so why even go there. It's perfectly OK to vote yes or no on this, there's no "right" side to push, it's up to the people to work out if they think it's a good idea or not.

 

[Andre]

The problem for the yes case is that there's nothing stopping them creating the body through legislation right now nor can they articulate exactly how this is going to change anything against loads of past evidence that ideas like this were ineffective, plus there's absolutely no need to constitutionally enshrine it. They don't know what the high court might do if it's in the constitution so they can't answer and you can guarantee that unintended consequences will ensure. Let's remember the ridiculous citizenship crap from the high court interpreting that ridiculously.

Why is the football club even saying anything on this anyway, it's a personal yes/no vote that effects everyone if it goes ahead, it doesn't effect the football club. There's literally no reason for any organisation or club to get involved besides a virtue signal that as of now is just going to irritate people both ways so why even go there. It's perfectly OK to vote yes or no on this, there's no "right" side to push, it's up to the people to work out if they think it's a good idea or not.

It's somewhat splitting hairs, but I don't think the club should have a position, but I'm happy for the club to say that all the staff / players plan to vote Yes.
I.e. Don't say 'Port Adelaide supports the yes vote'
Do say 'The staff and players of the Port Adelaide Football club support the yes vote'
A subtle, but key difference for me. Personal opinions, versus a club position.

 

[Papa G]

It's somewhat splitting hairs, but I don't think the club should have a position, but I'm happy for the club to say that all the staff / players plan to vote Yes.
I.e. Don't say 'Port Adelaide supports the yes vote'
Do say 'The staff and players of the Port Adelaide Football club support the yes vote'
A subtle, but key difference for me. Personal opinions, versus a club position.

Do they all though?

 

[StrappingTape]

sounds like one of those first day at work chats you get. Look we are all in the union, now you don't have to join the union but we are all in it so up to you.

I get Andre's point but how about the club doesn't put any pressure on any of the players to have a publicly announced position when it's nobodies business?

 

[1954]

The independent stats guys who crunch the AFL tables database say goal kicking peaked around 1999 - 2000, just as the game went 100% professional.

No problems in 1980 with players converting 70%+ of their scoring shots, including using a wet heavy ball that was only changed at half time and mud!! GremioPower

Evans 102.41
Walter 64.23
....
Agius 44.17
Roberts 42.21

I can't recall Ross Agius ever having a season as good as that but obviously he did, and with 40 plus goals by round 17 in what was his 2nd season on the Maggie's senior list, and then 3 goals in the 1980 winning gf against norwood it's disappointing his career finished on just over 50 senior games only a few years later.

 

[Poo Eckert]

So where are we going to get knocked out in finals?
Semi
Prelim
Gf
?

I’ll go pre lim away

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I hated it when Ron Hateley would get injured because at first glance I would see his photo and the headlines and think Oh Tim Evans is out for 2 games!!!

Oh and ho hum another 100 point win in 1980. What a time to be alive!

Tim Evans 11.1, he kicked goals for fun.