Speculation Liam Baker [reportedly headed west]

[Jeremias]

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[4tune8]

We need talent at the pointy end too

I like talent at my pointy end too, but the question is, are you better off in a deep draft to get a shot at 2 high end talents plus Baker, or just get Baker and have 1 shot?

 

[4tune8]

Ive looked at the draft, and its really only 2-3 of the top 6 mids or Travaglia I want in the top 10, I highly doubt we get any of them with pick 9 or 10. Dont want Allan, Berry, or Hotton with a top 13 pick, id be hoping for Lindsay if we have 13 still

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the recruiters office, this draft is deep with probably the first tier being 1-6 and the next through to 15

 

[Barrybran]

I like talent at my pointy end too, but the question is, are you better off in a deep draft to get a shot at 2 high end talents plus Baker, or just get Baker and have 1 shot?

The problem with your question is that you're not asking it out of genuine interest for West Coast's list. You're asking it out of interest for Richmond's list. That is completely fair and reasonable but it comes off strongly as disingenuous.

The simple answer is players at the top end of the draft have a statistically better chance of being elite players and having long careers. We need such players as much as you, as much as any other club. I understand that Richmond fans' goal this offseason is to collect all of the chips but we have to look after our corner. That means a pick no lower than 6, I would think ideally two top ten picks, and probably 4-5 picks inside the top 30 on top of any players we bring in.

That can certainly be achieved with our assets but it isn't going to happen by swapping pick 3 for Baker + 10. That isn't a good trade for us. Better trades from our side would be something like 3 + 13 for 6, 16 + Baker or 3 + F2 for 6, 29 + Baker (factoring in upgraded compensation for Graham in both trades). Richmond fans will no doubt scoff at those suggestions but pick 3 is the best asset on the table so something has to be in it for us as well.

Ideally, if we were to split pick 3, we would find a way to turn 3 + 13 into 6, 9 + Baker (with something else for you guys. Don't panic).

 

[stallon]

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the recruiters office, this draft is deep with probably the first tier being 1-6 and the next through to 15

Im looking at positional needs when I decide who I want, not just who is in each talent tier

 

[garlic munchers]

Get excited Eagles fans.
You're getting one of our best players, who would walk into any side's best 22.
He'll provide great leadership too.
I'm not happy he's gone, but my Mrs is an Eagles fan so that makes this bitter pill a bit easier to swallow!

Eagles fans not as adept at swallowing apparently.

 

[Astro35]

So Eagles want 2 x 1st rounders for 29yo Barrass + change but won't part with one of those 1st rounders for 27yo Baker... getting a bit greedy out West i think

You mean a player with a 3 year contract vs ooc?

 

[LOZWILDA]

Pick 13
Keep it simple.


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[The Goon]

Ideally, if we were to split pick 3, we would find a way to turn 3 + 13 into 6, 9 + Baker (with something else for you guys. Don't panic).

That’s a horrific deal for us. With everyone saying you can throw a blanket over 1-6, and another over 7-15ish were effectively giving you Baker for nothing.


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[Moonatic77]

WC boy wanting to come home is great, but the truth is he won't be part of the next flag, and this is when we need to recruit the core. Helping the tigers with their rebuild is not a goal of West Coast. I hope.

I don't know why you want him

 

[Hawks_Footy]

You mean a player with a 3 year contract vs ooc?

So by this theory with Darling also being contracted for next year you'll be driving a hard bargain there also? If so, what is your starting price there?

 

[eaglespremiers]

 

[tiger_tough]

 

[Moonatic77]

We do want that.

For the picks you'll have to give up and the fact he's right on that outer age bracket as a future Weagle premiership player I sure as shit wouldn't

 

[eastfreo75]

WCE F2 for Baker.

 

[Astro35]

So by this theory with Darling also being contracted for next year you'll be driving a hard bargain there also? If so, what is your starting price there?

Theory, what theory??. One is on a long term contract and the other isn't.

 

[Astro35]

For the picks you'll have to give up and the fact he's right on that outer age bracket as a future Weagle premiership player I sure as shit wouldn't

I was agreeing with you. We want to hit the draft.

 

[Moonatic77]

I was agreeing with you. We want to hit the draft.

Sorry mate
Agree you guys should hit the draft big time, so should we too

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

The problem with your question is that you're not asking it out of genuine interest for West Coast's list. You're asking it out of interest for Richmond's list. That is completely fair and reasonable but it comes off strongly as disingenuous.

The simple answer is players at the top end of the draft have a statistically better chance of being elite players and having long careers. We need such players as much as you, as much as any other club. I understand that Richmond fans' goal this offseason is to collect all of the chips but we have to look after our corner. That means a pick no lower than 6, I would think ideally two top ten picks, and probably 4-5 picks inside the top 30 on top of any players we bring in.

That can certainly be achieved with our assets but it isn't going to happen by swapping pick 3 for Baker + 10. That isn't a good trade for us. Better trades from our side would be something like 3 + 13 for 6, 16 + Baker or 3 + F2 for 6, 29 + Baker (factoring in upgraded compensation for Graham in both trades). Richmond fans will no doubt scoff at those suggestions but pick 3 is the best asset on the table so something has to be in it for us as well.

Ideally, if we were to split pick 3, we would find a way to turn 3 + 13 into 6, 9 + Baker (with something else for you guys. Don't panic).

Well, the suggestions here certainly aren't out of genuine interest for Richmonds list, that's for sure.

 

[PorcelainBus]

Glad he's not going to Freo - being in the West and having a soft spot for Freo who I watch live each week, I'm certain that he's not the one Freo needs "this is not the player you are looking for" (droid) . . .