Confirmed Liam Baker - Now a West Coast Eagle

[Jeremias]

Time for some house cleaning.

1) Do not drag discussions or individual posts over here from other threads or boards.

Feel free to respond to those posts wherever they were posted, if you so choose.

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We will use thread bans and infractions if necessary.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Can I like hold a protest outside Mineral Resources Park with like a "Dont pay the Baker" sign ? Surely if half a dozen of us turn up Pyke will think twice about this shambolic trade

 

[DragoDelph]

All of this stuff makes me think the deals are done, and clubs are now board and throwing around what-ifs to see if anything sticks.

Like you have the winning hand in a game of cards, but want to make the game interesting.

 

[tiger_tough]

Everyone will hate it, therefore it’s on the money on value.

It's unnecessarily complex.

 

[SplintWhisky]

All this media speculation and scenarios seems to be making this trade way more complicated and silly than it needs to be.

WCE will have Pick 21-ish won't they? Baker for 21 done deal, no mess no fuss, seems like one of the easier and least controversial trades of this season. Am I missing something?

Its the value he brings to the Tigers as a leader and member of the team. The word is that Captaincy was on the table so the club obviously rates him highly so a first round pick would be a must. Pick 12 as a straight swap would be around the mark for him.

He is very clean and when played in the proper position in the backline is dangerous due to his one touch pick up. Just needs the right people around him to be able to use his skills.

It really could end up with West Coast, Richmond and Brisbane doing a 3 way deal like below

Richmond OUT: Baker + 31, 33, 41
Richmond In: 3

West Coast OUT: Pick 3
West Coast In: Baker + Pick 16 (assuming Brisbane finish here)

Brisbane Out: Pick 16 (total 1067 Points)
Brisbane In: Pick 31,33,41 (Total 1581 points)

 

[SplintWhisky]

You also need to factor in likely academy/FS picks.

So 3 for 6 probably becomes something like 4 or 5 for 8

I don't think that the final number of the first round draft picks actually matter that much when it comes to Draft day. For example, if you're West Coast and have Pick 3 but North bid on Ashcroft, your pick gets pushed back to Pick 4. However in the live scenario, you are still the team making the choice on player 3rd in the draft.

 

[DragoDelph]

Its the value he brings to the Tigers as a leader and member of the team. The word is that Captaincy was on the table so the club obviously rates him highly so a first round pick would be a must. Pick 12 as a straight swap would be around the mark for him.

He is very clean and when played in the proper position in the backline is dangerous due to his one touch pick up. Just needs the right people around him to be able to use his skills.

It really could end up with West Coast, Richmond and Brisbane doing a 3 way deal like below

Richmond OUT: Baker + 31, 33, 41
Richmond In: 3

West Coast OUT: Pick 3
West Coast In: Baker + Pick 16 (assuming Brisbane finish here)

Brisbane Out: Pick 16 (total 1067 Points)
Brisbane In: Pick 31,33,41 (Total 1581 points)

Imma trade this diamond studded rolex for a big w kids watch and a bag of chips (they're red rock deli though, so all good)

 

[Big_Birdy]

Its the value he brings to the Tigers as a leader and member of the team. The word is that Captaincy was on the table so the club obviously rates him highly so a first round pick would be a must. Pick 12 as a straight swap would be around the mark for him.

He is very clean and when played in the proper position in the backline is dangerous due to his one touch pick up. Just needs the right people around him to be able to use his skills.

It really could end up with West Coast, Richmond and Brisbane doing a 3 way deal like below

Richmond OUT: Baker + 31, 33, 41
Richmond In: 3

West Coast OUT: Pick 3
West Coast In: Baker + Pick 16 (assuming Brisbane finish here)

Brisbane Out: Pick 16 (total 1067 Points)
Brisbane In: Pick 31,33,41 (Total 1581 points)

I'm one of the only (if not the only) Eagles poster who is actually comfortable with a 3 for Baker and 9 trade.

If we trade 3 for Baker and 16 I am getting on a flight to Perth to set myself on fire outside Mineral Resources Park.

 

[Farang83150]

Its the value he brings to the Tigers as a leader and member of the team. The word is that Captaincy was on the table so the club obviously rates him highly so a first round pick would be a must. Pick 12 as a straight swap would be around the mark for him.

He is very clean and when played in the proper position in the backline is dangerous due to his one touch pick up. Just needs the right people around him to be able to use his skills.

It really could end up with West Coast, Richmond and Brisbane doing a 3 way deal like below

Richmond OUT: Baker + 31, 33, 41
Richmond In: 3

West Coast OUT: Pick 3
West Coast In: Baker + Pick 16 (assuming Brisbane finish here)

Brisbane Out: Pick 16 (total 1067 Points)
Brisbane In: Pick 31,33,41 (Total 1581 points)

Pick 3 for Baker and 16...are you kn serious?

 

[ronpingwins]

I've heard Freo pretty much think he's done to them. They've had better picks on the table than WC have. We'll see.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

Its the value he brings to the Tigers as a leader and member of the team. The word is that Captaincy was on the table so the club obviously rates him highly so a first round pick would be a must. Pick 12 as a straight swap would be around the mark for him.

He is very clean and when played in the proper position in the backline is dangerous due to his one touch pick up. Just needs the right people around him to be able to use his skills.

It really could end up with West Coast, Richmond and Brisbane doing a 3 way deal like below

Richmond OUT: Baker + 31, 33, 41
Richmond In: 3

West Coast OUT: Pick 3
West Coast In: Baker + Pick 16 (assuming Brisbane finish here)

Brisbane Out: Pick 16 (total 1067 Points)
Brisbane In: Pick 31,33,41 (Total 1581 points)

One of he funnier trade suggestions Ive seen. Ah no.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

Pick 3 for Baker and 16...are you kn serious?

Its a funny suggestion.

 

[Morro]

Imma trade this diamond studded rolex for a big w kids watch and a bag of chips (they're red rock deli though, so all good)

Just confirming, Rolex with 1 or 2 L's? Just gauging quality.

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

All this media speculation and scenarios seems to be making this trade way more complicated and silly than it needs to be.

WCE will have Pick 21-ish won't they? Baker for 21 done deal, no mess no fuss, seems like one of the easier and least controversial trades of this season. Am I missing something?

If Richmond didn't want to move higher up, agree 100%.

It seems we're at least asking about a pick swap. I think that's the "missing" bit.


But in essence, I think that price (21) is more than fair. I think 25 is fair.

 

[SplintWhisky]

Pick 3 for Baker and 16...are you kn serious?

From the point of view of what I can see as realistically happening? Is it overs, yeah. But I can see it being overs. Richmond has the Pre-season draft (and despite what Cornes thinks, Al Clarkson would jump at taking Baker in the preseason if Richmond didnt). I know it doesnt matter much, but I also think that Matty Clarke might also be a little too nice to Richmond from the connection.

Like I said Baker would be valued fairly at pick 12 - 16 in a straight swap (with maybe 3rd round upgrade for West Coast coming back). Especially if the reports on the contract are to be believed.

Would say that the 3 way trade of Baker, Barrass and Hawthorn first rounder would be something I would be happy with as from a Richmond perspective, that would be fair price. The net for West Coast is not great as Barass is a more required player in a far more valuable position and is contracted (pretty sure he is).

For context, I am to young to know what Kane Johnson was like at Adelaide and his level as a player there, but the below trade was done for Johnson (who ended up our captain).

Richmond: Jason Torney (1994 pick 29, played 118 games before trade), 2, 18, 32
Adelaide: Kane Johnson, 12, 28, 41

 

[Purple Suit]

From the point of view of what I can see as realistically happening? Is it overs, yeah. But I can see it being overs. Richmond has the Pre-season draft (and despite what Cornes thinks, Al Clarkson would jump at taking Baker in the preseason if Richmond didnt). I know it doesnt matter much, but I also think that Matty Clarke might also be a little too nice to Richmond from the connection.

Like I said Baker would be valued fairly at pick 12 - 16 in a straight swap (with maybe 3rd round upgrade for West Coast coming back). Especially if the reports on the contract are to be believed.

Would say that the 3 way trade of Baker, Barrass and Hawthorn first rounder would be something I would be happy with.

For context, I am to young to know what Kane Johnson was like at Adelaide and his level as a player there, but the below trade was done for Johnson (who ended up our captain).

Richmond: Jason Torney (1994 pick 29, played 118 games before trade), 2, 18, 32
Adelaide: Kane Johnson, 12, 28, 41

If it’s heading down a preseason draft path then surely Richmond could convince Baker to stay for 1 more season and qualify for Free agency.

Baker getting Richmond pick 2 in 2025 would probably be the final compo before they change the rules for good.

 

[Big_Birdy]

If it’s heading down a preseason draft path then surely Richmond could convince Baker to stay for 1 more season and qualify for Free agency.

Baker getting Richmond pick 2 in 2025 would probably be the final compo before they change the rules for good.

I think the last thing Richmond want is Liam Baker playing on and helping them get too many wins next year (not knocking them by the way).

 

[go_the_dockers]

If it’s heading down a preseason draft path then surely Richmond could convince Baker to stay for 1 more season and qualify for Free agency.

Baker getting Richmond pick 2 in 2025 would probably be the final compo before they change the rules for good.

Baker is not getting a contract north of 900k.
Best pick he would get would be a end of first, more than likely it would be a 2nd rounder.

 

[SumaGodCoach]

From the point of view of what I can see as realistically happening? Is it overs, yeah. But I can see it being overs. Richmond has the Pre-season draft (and despite what Cornes thinks, Al Clarkson would jump at taking Baker in the preseason if Richmond didnt). I know it doesnt matter much, but I also think that Matty Clarke might also be a little too nice to Richmond from the connection.

Like I said Baker would be valued fairly at pick 12 - 16 in a straight swap (with maybe 3rd round upgrade for West Coast coming back). Especially if the reports on the contract are to be believed.

Would say that the 3 way trade of Baker, Barrass and Hawthorn first rounder would be something I would be happy with as from a Richmond perspective, that would be fair price. The net for West Coast is not great as Barass is a more required player in a far more valuable position and is contracted (pretty sure he is).

For context, I am to young to know what Kane Johnson was like at Adelaide and his level as a player there, but the below trade was done for Johnson (who ended up our captain).

Richmond: Jason Torney (1994 pick 29, played 118 games before trade), 2, 18, 32
Adelaide: Kane Johnson, 12, 28, 41

Are you seriously citing a trade from 21 years ago as precedent?

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

From the point of view of what I can see as realistically happening? Is it overs, yeah. But I can see it being overs. Richmond has the Pre-season draft (and despite what Cornes thinks, Al Clarkson would jump at taking Baker in the preseason if Richmond didnt). I know it doesnt matter much, but I also think that Matty Clarke might also be a little too nice to Richmond from the connection.

Like I said Baker would be valued fairly at pick 12 - 16 in a straight swap (with maybe 3rd round upgrade for West Coast coming back). Especially if the reports on the contract are to be believed.

Would say that the 3 way trade of Baker, Barrass and Hawthorn first rounder would be something I would be happy with as from a Richmond perspective, that would be fair price. The net for West Coast is not great as Barass is a more required player in a far more valuable position and is contracted (pretty sure he is).

For context, I am to young to know what Kane Johnson was like at Adelaide and his level as a player there, but the below trade was done for Johnson (who ended up our captain).

Richmond: Jason Torney (1994 pick 29, played 118 games before trade), 2, 18, 32
Adelaide: Kane Johnson, 12, 28, 41

lol. A trade from 1994?

An uncontracted Baker is not worth 12-16

 

[Joao]

Scotland got Robert the Bruce for a suite of late picks worth just over 3000 points in 1306, therefore Baker (better leader) is worth at least pick 1.

 

[eastfreo75]

All this media speculation and scenarios seems to be making this trade way more complicated and silly than it needs to be.

WCE will have Pick 21-ish won't they? Baker for 21 done deal, no mess no fuss, seems like one of the easier and least controversial trades of this season. Am I missing something?

100%.

 

[eastfreo75]

You also need to factor in likely academy/FS picks.

So 3 for 6 probably becomes something like 4 or 5 for 8

True.

All I know is that nobody would trade pick 3 for pick 6 and 37.

 

[SplintWhisky]

Are you seriously citing a trade from 21 years ago as precedent?

In terms of picks? Absolutely not. But more the principal. If that trade went through today, Matty Clarke and the West Coast recruitment team would be investigated for draft tampering or some sort of Malaysian betting Syndicate scandal.

lol. A trade from 1994?

An uncontracted Baker is not worth 12-16

This kinda goes for both, but if he is getting this "Life-Changing" money off that has been thrown around in the media then the pick would be in that 12 - 16 range. Especially with the Preseason draft threat being in the Tigers favour.

THE ABSOLUTE BARE MINIMUM TRADE SCENARIO

I think this would be the bare minimum that would satisfy Richmond (again because of the internal value of his off field value)

Richmond: Baker + 31
West Coast: Hawthorn Pick (currently 13) + 43

By the Draft Values on the pick calculator, this has Baker at pick 19 (obviously moves further back the further the Hawks go)

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

If it’s heading down a preseason draft path then surely Richmond could convince Baker to stay for 1 more season and qualify for Free agency.

Baker getting Richmond pick 2 in 2025 would probably be the final compo before they change the rules for good.

You're not getting Band 1 Compop for Baker FFS. His current offers according to media of up to 800K are now not even close to Band 1 as thats now 900K+ and he;ll obviously be a year older which will further decrease his value.

 

[Obeanie1]

Its the value he brings to the Tigers as a leader and member of the team. The word is that Captaincy was on the table so the club obviously rates him highly so a first round pick would be a must. Pick 12 as a straight swap would be around the mark for him.

He is very clean and when played in the proper position in the backline is dangerous due to his one touch pick up. Just needs the right people around him to be able to use his skills.

It really could end up with West Coast, Richmond and Brisbane doing a 3 way deal like below

Richmond OUT: Baker + 31, 33, 41
Richmond In: 3

West Coast OUT: Pick 3
West Coast In: Baker + Pick 16 (assuming Brisbane finish here)

Brisbane Out: Pick 16 (total 1067 Points)
Brisbane In: Pick 31,33,41 (Total 1581 points)

Nice team for Tigers fans.