Liam Jurrah being held by police -Sen

[Valve Bounce]

I found this article in the Herald Sun this morning and it is particularly worrying. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mo...o-jurrah-in-feud/story-fn7x8me2-1226295958229

Of particular concern is the final statement:" Since the alleged machete attack on Wednesday night, the wests, including the Woods and some Jurrahs, had been "cruising" to find members of the souths to seek retribution, Mr Woods said. "

This is something brewing since a 2010 incident, and sadly appears to have no way of ending. "It's part alcohol, part enemies. There's going to be a big fight in two or three weeks."

 

[Daytripper]

Would love you to go to a remote community to see how it is. Not to just see the generalisations that appear in the media.

I feel safer in community than I do in some so called normal places.

The easiest way to make a problem go away is to pretend it doesn't exist.

By the way, the media are extremely, extremely soft on what actually goes on in those communities. It's rarely mentioned because nobody wants to dare offend.

And so the problems continue.

 

[campbell]

The easiest way to make a problem go away is to pretend it doesn't exist.

By the way, the media are extremely, extremely soft on what actually goes on in those communities. It's rarely mentioned because nobody wants to dare offend.

And so the problems continue.

IS that so. I remember a lot of media done on Aurukun.

can I ask if you have been to any communities this year? Seen how it is, how people live, work and play?

 

[Daytripper]

IS that so. I remember a lot of media done on Aurukun.

And where were the media the previous 15 years?

Aurukun had gotten so bad that eventually something had to give. How the situation there was ignored for so long was a disgrace.

You only have to look at perpetual Aboriginal apologist Martin Flanagan who writes for Fairfax. He has covered a number of stories on Jurrah and not once has he addressed any real issues. Instead everything has been glossed over. Imagine if he had written the truth in the first place. Maybe none of this would have happened.

can I ask if you have been to any communities this year? Seen how it is, how people live, work and play?

No, I have not. Are you denying that there are not significant social issues for rural Aboriginal communities ?

 

[campbell]

And where were the media the previous 15 years?

Aurukun had gotten so bad that eventually something had to give. How the situation there was ignored for so long was a disgrace.

You only have to look at perpetual Aboriginal apologist Martin Flanagan who writes for Fairfax. He has covered a number of stories on Jurrah and not once has he addressed any real issues. Instead everything has been glossed over. Imagine if he had written the truth in the first place. Maybe none of this would have happened.


No, I have not. Are you denying that there are not significant social issues for rural Aboriginal communities ?

rural is not remote......

 

[campbell]

Some suburbs have serious social issues.

Try living remotely, in a community which is isolated during the wet season.
You are lucky to get a charter flight out due to the weather.

They do have issues, agreed but so does King Street on Friday Saturday night.

and thats every week, these communities are not fired up every weekend.....

 

[fishardansin]

Sure. The real issues are, Aboriginal rural communities have over and above average rates of alcoholism, substance abuse, child abuse, sexual assault and violence.

But we must never talk about that, shall we?
Shhhhhhh.......

No, lets pretend it doesn't exist, turn a blind eye and let it continue. And if it ever becomes public, never, ever blame the person who is responsible for the assault or who opens his first can of beer at 10am or who siphons petrol into a container so he or she can sniff it.

Too easy to blame someone else and let the behaviour continue.

Lets add some facts to counter your ignorance:

http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/health/aboriginal-alcohol-consumption.html

And where were the media the previous 15 years?

Aurukun had gotten so bad that eventually something had to give. How the situation there was ignored for so long was a disgrace.

You only have to look at perpetual Aboriginal apologist Martin Flanagan who writes for Fairfax. He has covered a number of stories on Jurrah and not once has he addressed any real issues. Instead everything has been glossed over. Imagine if he had written the truth in the first place. Maybe none of this would have happened.


No, I have not. Are you denying that there are not significant social issues for rural Aboriginal communities ?

You are acting even more stupid as you go along. Flanagan wrote a lot of truth on this very subject yesterday. Are you suggesting he could some how have stopped it if he wrote some sensationalist rubbish that you want to hear?

Good god, get a grip man!

 

[Daytripper]

You are acting even more stupid as you go along. Flanagan wrote a lot of truth on this very subject yesterday. Are you suggesting he could some how have stopped it if he wrote some sensationalist rubbish that you want to hear?

Good god, get a grip man!

Flanagan has previously written numerous articles on Jurrah and where he came from.

Maybe if he had have written the truth (you know something that journalists should aspire to) then attention could have been brought to what was happening there.

But no, he indulged in the whole "If I don't acknowledge there is a problem, then there is no problem" methodology which has served Aboriginals so poorly the past 20 years.

These are the real racists in my opinion. They don't want to help. They can't even see a problem. I guess their opinion of Aboriginals is so low that that sort of behaviour is just expected these days.

 

[bing181]

A football club will give e.g. Liam Jurrah extended time off at the drop of a hat to deal with family issues, but ordinary Australians are bound by various commitments and disciplines and don't have that luxury.

You see what you want to see.

- In three seasons at Melbourne, Jurrah has only once been given what you call "time off".

- He was not given "extended" time off, it was about a week.

- The "family reasons" you mention were to be with his partner, who suddenly lost her sister. To add to that, they're expecting a baby.

- Jurrah is currently injured (broken wrist, and complications from that), and was not in anything like full training

- It's the pre-season, and Jurrah is a month or more away from playing any kind of match, even a practice match

- Last year, Jack Grimes had a club-approved holiday on the Gold Coast during the season, while injured. Along with his brother, from another club (Richmond).

- Michael Evans, also injured, has been authorised to return home to WA for a while.

 

[Ron The Bear]

You see what you want to see.

- In three seasons at Melbourne, Jurrah has only once been given what you call "time off".

- He was not given "extended" time off, it was about a week.

- The "family reasons" you mention were to be with his partner, who suddenly lost her sister. To add to that, they're expecting a baby.

- Jurrah is currently injured (broken wrist, and complications from that), and was not in anything like full training

- It's the pre-season, and Jurrah is a month or more away from playing any kind of match, even a practice match

- Last year, Jack Grimes had a club-approved holiday on the Gold Coast during the season, while injured. Along with his brother, from another club (Richmond).

- Michael Evans, also injured, has been authorised to return home to WA for a while.

The specific example given was incidental to the assumption..."the Aboriginal way of life is resistant to discipline". Again, I acknowledge ignorance in stating my perception that there is something about the Aboriginal ethos that is not easily communicated in words, something spiritual that runs to the core of their existence yet which inhibits them from absorbing the best of Western philosophy, and therein lies the tragedy of European colonisation.

Please correct me if this perception is flawed.

 

[longdaveyjetta]

How's that?

Let me put it this way.

My two oldest children are now adults. They have faced Australian society and overcome the adversities that are all so apparent in this thread. They are both now successful professionals, thankfully. They are above this bullshit, yet they still face it every day. I admire them greatly.

I have since moved to SE Asia with my youngest daughter, such is my dismay at current attitudes.

Blackfellas in our society are only ever celebrated for their sporting prowess. Where else do we see them highlighted in a positive manner?

Yet they are pilloried at every opportunity by many people who are just simply ignorant. I detest that ignorance.

Australia is a rich and well educated country/society. It is such a shame to see such ignorance and apathy at the forefront of so many peoples ideals and beliefs.

Dig that sig PB says a lot more for you,
I see that a few more valid and invalid points have been made on the topic, remember the old short movie called barbqaria? Not sure if that is how it is spelt but it is a brilliant film which reverses the roles of blacks and whites in the best ways, I suggest people like daytripper have a look and start to soak up the plight of the true owners of this country...


Where are you based in SE Asia? I understand that also, based here in Samui myself..Cheers to all those with an open heart and open mind...

 

[grizzlym]

These are the real racists in my opinion. They don't want to help. They can't even see a problem. I guess their opinion of Aboriginals is so low that that sort of behaviour is just expected these days.

I can't work out if you're trolling or that is your actual opinion. In either case, give it a rest.

 

[Proud Bogan]

Dig that sig PB says a lot more for you,
I see that a few more valid and invalid points have been made on the topic, remember the old short movie called barbqaria? Not sure if that is how it is spelt but it is a brilliant film which reverses the roles of blacks and whites in the best ways, I suggest people like daytripper have a look and start to soak up the plight of the true owners of this country...


Where are you based in SE Asia? I understand that also, based here in Samui myself..Cheers to all those with an open heart and open mind...

SW Vietnam matey.

Not familiar with the film, but will look it up.

I can't work out if you're trolling or that is your actual opinion. In either case, give it a rest.

Oh it's his opinion Grizz. Check out his inane ramblings on the SR+P board for confirmation.

And I did not engage him because it is literally like talking to a brick wall.

 

[the_interloper]

I can't work out if you're trolling or that is your actual opinion. In either case, give it a rest.

Yeah ok well that's a great idea, let's just stifle all opinions and have fun ey?

 

[TAITA]

Yeah ok well that's a great idea, let's just stifle all opinions and have fun ey?

You'd have a case if that opinion was informed or had merit.

I can say with certainty that the poster in question is a total duffer whom the hardest part of his day would be pulling his pants on - and also the most challenging.

 

[Daytripper]

I can't work out if you're trolling or that is your actual opinion. In either case, give it a rest.

No, actual opinion. I'm sorry not to be all PC.

Your attitude is symptomatic of all that is wrong with addressing Aboriginal issues.

Pretend there isn't a problem and just let it continue. Blame everyone else but the person who indulges in the antisocial behavior.

 

[Daytripper]

Yeah ok well that's a great idea, let's just stifle all opinions and have fun ey?

Yes, you must never, ever, ever address the real problem......Shhhhhh......

Look away. Nothing to see here. Move along please.

It sickens me, actually.

 

[Daytripper]

You'd have a case if that opinion was informed or had merit.

Really. So you disagree that Indigenous people particularly in remote areas have above average rates of alcoholism, substance abuse, sexual assaults and violence.

That's an interesting viewpoint.

I guess you're another who works on the understanding that if you don't acknowledge there is a problem, then the problem doesn't exist.

Or maybe you're another one of those who has such low expectations of Aboriginals that this sort of behaviour is now considered the norm.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Yes, you must never, ever, ever address the real problem......Shhhhhh......

Look away. Nothing to see here. Move along please.

It sickens me, actually.

.... it's a football forum.

 

[Partridge]

Posters on here can shout "Tribal Law" or "Elders Law" until they are blue in the face.

Doesn't change the fact that he is sitting in a white mans jail right now and will be judged by a white man's court.

Well said. He's also been living in a white man's city earning white man's dollars.

 

[SlainteO'Hailpin]

Blackfellas in our society are only ever celebrated for their sporting prowess. Where else do we see them highlighted in a positive manner?

I think you'll find that's just an Australian trait.

Colour isn't relevant when it come to that phenomenon.


To be highlighted on a large media scale regardless of who you are you need to have done something extraordinary.

Watching Living Black most weeks there is quite a bit of recognition in community awards for Aboriginal people.

That sort of stuff does make local papers, but it's not the kind of news that makes a national publication.

There are also celebrated Aboriginal actors and artists to counter further that its only sports people who garner recognition.

 

[Partridge]

I just knew this thread was going to be full of people with little to no understanding of tribal culture or Aboriginal and Torres Strait history in this land making judgements.

I am just hoping that Jurrah is not lost to the AFL, if not for his own career, for his people and the youngsters who he's given great hope to.

Yeah cause that's the important thing. People getting a machete to the head doesn't matter at all.

Christ there are a lot of do-gooders around now.

If he's guilty - and that isn't proven - it's simple. Jail and goodbye football career.

If he's innocent - and that may be proven - it's equally simple. Back to football and try to continue to develop his career.

That's it.

 

[Higgs Boson]

So he's going to use innocence as his defence - not as good as the wookie defence but it may work.

' ''We was walking to Little Sister (town camp) and them family run to us with weapons,'' she claimed.

''There was too many, maybe nine of them. They all had weapons and firewood.

''Liam came and hit Basil with a machete and an axe. Liam said 'wait, don't run away, don't be frightened'.

She said her husband had six stitches in his head: ''He's angry for Liam. We're not scared.''

Jurrah flew into Melbourne hours after the court hearing yesterday with his football future under a cloud.

The talented goalkicker was charged with unlawfully causing serious harm and carrying an offensive weapon.

Magistrate John Birch granted Jurrah bail - which was set at $3000 with a further $3000 as surety - on the condition he left the territory and abstained from alcohol.'

I thought bail was $20000 and that the victim required a facial reconstruction, but $3000 and six stitches somewhat diminishes the severity of the crime. The relatives have Liam wielding both the axe and the machete and in the company of 8 armed men. You kind of get the impression that a deep seated hatred of the Jurrah family might influence the version of events.

The victim does not appear incredibly cut up or bruised from the incident. Jurrah claims he is innocent. For all the drama, the details don't seem to be vindicating the volume and intensity of speculation.

Until there is evidence suggesting that the attack was more vicious than it otherwise appears, Jurrah probably deserves to be cut some slack. Going back home to an atmosphere of grog and violence then returning to Melbourne to a sanitised and rigorous life of an AFL footballer must really scramble Jurrah's thoughts, emotions and behaviour.

There are already contradictory stories of events and Jurrah is becoming the victim of a massive swell of public interest. Perhaps now it's best to step back and allow the passage of time to reveal the truth.

Too sensible for BigFooty.

 

[SlainteO'Hailpin]

Given the story coming out now one might wonder if there's a bit of gold diggings trying to happen with good ole Basil's side of the camps telling of the event.

 

[Brown Bottle]

If he's innocent - and that may be proven - it's equally simple. Back to football and try to continue to develop his career.

Not familiar with a presumption of innocence? It's kinda one of the, um, fundamentals of our legal system.