Vic Lidia Thorpe: Not the subject for every thread!

[Gethelred]

Seeing as Lidia discussion is cropping up across multiple threads, let's have us a thread for people who want to discuss her contribution to Australian politics.

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[kalex6251]

Or the much more likely scenario only a limited number of people were aware.

the meeting where she confronted van was organised by senior liberals ... who?

simon birmingham has admitted on RN radio he knew .... who else?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

The point I was trying to make was that if Linda was unhappy with that response there were other avunea to follow up the allegations rather than just a workplace response

I am well aware if the Libs background with sexual assault , you have me confused that I’m defending them

Van's speech triggered Thorpe. Can you not see that?

 

[QuietB]

So why wasn’t it followed up further for a more appropriate response? Seeing that response wasn’t appropriate for a sexual assualt allegation?

Because it happened under Morrison. And under Morrison everything was political and everything was transactional and EVERYTHING was covered up at EVERY SINGLE OPPORTUNITY.

These guys are grubs. That all have to go. We have Van, we have Porter, we have Tudge, we have the upskirter, there are rumours about Morrison himself.

The Liberals need serious cultural change.

 

[Strange Cat]

Van's speech triggered Thorpe. Can you not see that?

Can you not see what I am saying ? He was moved after the allegation …clearly she was unhappy with the repose and fair enough but she didn’t follow it up with other avenues for a better response

I’m not disageeeung with what you have said , I am just saying she could had chosen a different avenue after he was first moved if she was that unhappy with the response to the allegations

 

[Strange Cat]

Because it happened under Morrison. And under Morrison everything was political and everything was transactional and EVERYTHING was covered up at EVERY SINGLE OPPORTUNITY.

These guys are grubs. That all have to go. We have Van, we have Porter, we have Tudge, we have the upskirter, there are rumours about Morrison himself.

The Liberals need serious cultural change.

No doubt not disagreeing at all

Just arguing that she should follow up the allegations for a more serious response than just moving van to a different office instead of airing the allegations and not following up up legally for the perpetrators to face legal justice

 

[QuietB]

Can you not see what I am saying ? He was moved after the allegation …clearly she was unhappy with the repose and fair enough but she didn’t follow it up with other avenues for a better response

I’m not disageeeung with what you have said , I am just saying she could had chosen a different avenue after he was first moved if she was that unhappy with the response to the allegations

And the Liberals could have chosen someone else to make their statement in the senate.

It is an own goal

 

[Strange Cat]

No you're just trying to make the conversation about how a victim spoke up being not to your liking.

More concerned about process than actions it seems.

Sighs

Bit hard now for real consequences to the perpetrators for their alleged actions when Linda won’t follow it up for legal consequences

Nowhere have I said they shouldn’t face actions for thier behaviour

 

[Donakebab]

Can you not see what I am saying ? He was moved after the allegation …clearly she was unhappy with the repose and fair enough but she didn’t follow it up with other avenues for a better response

I’m not disageeeung with what you have said , I am just saying she could had chosen a different avenue after he was first moved if she was that unhappy with the response to the allegations

Yes she should have been more considerate of her alleged offender.

 

[Gralin]

Sighs

Bit hard now for real consequences to the perpetrators for their alleged actions when Linda won’t follow it up for legal consequences

Nowhere have I said they shouldn’t face actions for thier behaviour

Dude you're making it all about her response to an assault and nobody elses

That's all you are doing for pages now.

Criticising how a victim responded to abuse and how they spoke about it.

 

[Strange Cat]

Yes she should have been more considerate of her alleged offender.

That’s not what I’m saying at all

 

[Saint]

That’s not what I’m saying at all

It's pretty much all you've said.

Your argument boils down to:

If she's so sure she was assaulted, why hasn't she gone to the police (the same police who are having an inquiry about giving too much support to the defence in the last high-profile case)?

Think about this. Thorpe knows that the Libs know why he was moved. She knows that they chose him to make a speech about assault against women. And now it turns out he'd also assaulted another LNP Senator. So the LNP knew about two assaults by a person, then chose him to make a speech about assault against women. Is Thorpe just supposed to keep quiet?

And all people have been doing on various pages is attacking Thorpe for her behaviour. It's not just Van being awful, it's the LNP who know that he's committed at least one assault, probably two and sanctioned him both times, then choose him to make a speech about it.

It'd be like Bridget McKenzie standing up against rorting, or Barnaby speaking out about boozing and womanising.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I imagine Dutton was workshopping how to take advantage of Thorpe lashing out at Van before someone tapped him on the shoulder and said, maybe hold fire. Next thing you know Stoker was on the phone explaining what Van did to her, other stories started circulating and Dutton read the tea leaves and cut him loose.

Imagine how bad things must be for Dutton to reach that decision.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

It's pretty much all you've said.

Your argument boils down to:

If she's so sure she was assaulted, why hasn't she gone to the police (the same police who are having an inquiry about giving too much support to the defence in the last high-profile case)?

Think about this. Thorpe knows that the Libs know why he was moved. She knows that they chose him to make a speech about assault against women. And now it turns out he'd also assaulted another LNP Senator. So the LNP knew about two assaults by a person, then chose him to make a speech about assault against women. Is Thorpe just supposed to keep quiet?

And all people have been doing on various pages is attacking Thorpe for her behaviour. It's not just Van being awful, it's the LNP who know that he's committed at least one assault, probably two and sanctioned him both times, then choose him to make a speech about it.

It'd be like Bridget McKenzie standing up against rorting, or Barnaby speaking out about boozing and womanising.

The police wouldn’t do anything if Van had creeped her out by staring at her, asking her out and maybe grabbing her but uninvited. Why would you report that to them. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t classify as sexual assault and harassment

 

[Strange Cat]

It's pretty much all you've said.

Your argument boils down to:

If she's so sure she was assaulted, why hasn't she gone to the police (the same police who are having an inquiry about giving too much support to the defence in the last high-profile case)?

Think about this. Thorpe knows that the Libs know why he was moved. She knows that they chose him to make a speech about assault against women. And now it turns out he'd also assaulted another LNP Senator. So the LNP knew about two assaults by a person, then chose him to make a speech about assault against women. Is Thorpe just supposed to keep quiet?

And all people have been doing on various pages is attacking Thorpe for her behaviour. It's not just Van being awful, it's the LNP who know that he's committed at least one assault, probably two and sanctioned him both times, then choose him to make a speech about it.

It'd be like Bridget McKenzie standing up against rorting, or Barnaby speaking out about boozing and womanising.

Strongly disagree

Clearly the response to move him to another office wasn’t the appropriate response that Linda wanted , it just strange that despite this she doesn’t want to follow the allegations further for not only Vans but the other perpetrators involved so I am unsure of what response she actually wants against the alleged perpetrators

in any case it’s very clear that Parliament culture needs a clean up and changes need to be made

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Strongly disagree

Clearly the response to move him to another office wasn’t the appropriate response that Linda wanted , it just strange that despite this she doesn’t want to follow the allegations further for not only Vans but the other perpetrators involved so I am unsure of what response she actually wants against the alleged perpetrators

in any case it’s very clear that Parliament culture needs a clean up and changes need to be made

That's at least the third time you have called her Linda.

For future reference, her correct name (Lidia) appears at the top of every page.

 

[Strange Cat]

That's at least the third time you have called her Linda.

For future reference, her correct name (Lidia) appears at the top of every page.

Apologies auto correct on the phone

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Apologies auto correct on the phone

Don't try and lecture people on 'proper procedure' then.

 

[Strange Cat]

Don't try and lecture people on 'proper procedure' then.

Lecture?

Ok then but strange to be attacking me over a auto correct on the phone but you do you

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Lecture?

Ok then but strange to be attacking me over a auto correct on the phone but you do you

Alleged auto correct.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

 

[Strange Cat]

Alleged auto correct.

Ok

 

[Saint]

Strongly disagree

Clearly the response to move him to another office wasn’t the appropriate response that Linda wanted , it just strange that despite this she doesn’t want to follow the allegations further for not only Vans but the other perpetrators involved so I am unsure of what response she actually wants against the alleged perpetrators

in any case it’s very clear that Parliament culture needs a clean up and changes need to be made

The removal happened years ago, and she hasn't brought it up since, until Senator Van stood up and started talking about assault. Considering everyone calls her a massive attention seeker, she kept that relatively quiet for a long time. Doesn't quite suit your pre-determined narrative I guess.

He and Thorpe and a bunch of other Senators in the LNP knew he had form. She was the only one who stood up and said something about the hypocrisy of it. That takes more courage than most people will ever have to summon.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

it just strange that despite this she doesn’t want to follow the allegations further for not only Vans but the other perpetrators involved so I am unsure of what response she actually wants against the alleged perpetrators

This is only strange if you've come into this thread bizarrely oblivious to how sexual harassment/assault complaints are handled and the statistics around them.

 

[Gralin]

This is only strange if you've come into this thread bizarrely oblivious to how sexual harassment/assault complaints are handled and the statistics around them.

Old mate thinks it's only sexual assault if someone saw it happen.

 

[Crankyhawk]

There's a massive difference between "made me feel unsafe" and an accusation of sexual assault. She doesn't get to define it either.

Anyway, here's to the next few hundred pages....

Regardless of whether she wants to take this further with the police, there now needs to be an inquiry as to the truth of it. Especially as to which of the two has just lied to the public about acts within Parliament house in the last few hours. One of the two's political career needs to end immediately.

I'm interested in the response to the following. "To me that was sexual assault. And the government at the time recognised it as such."

Also, interestingly, she never named Van in that statement, advice from her lawyer I'd suggest.

she did allege inappropriate touching, which would be a (low) grade of sexual assault though? At very least it is touching without consent

and it is more relevant given subsequent statements from Amanda Stoker.