Vic Lidia Thorpe: Not the subject for every thread!

[Gethelred]

Seeing as Lidia discussion is cropping up across multiple threads, let's have us a thread for people who want to discuss her contribution to Australian politics.

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[Strange Cat]

You going to go back and read page two?
You saying you haven't read the thread now?

The point I was making was that it was concerning that a politician was weaponising parliament privilege to further a personal vendetta , whether he deserves the tarnished reputation or not there’s a legal process for a serious allegation for a reason .

I look at what Trump is allowed to get away with in public for personal insults and allegations and I don’t want to see that happening in parliament

Now on the subject of sexual assault and sexual harassment I generally believed that there was a key difference in one being physical and one being verbal ..Thorpe stated that there was no witness to the inappropriate touching which is why I viewed it as sexual harassment for the comments made towards her , you have stated I was wrong which is fair enough …the manner in which you did that I believe was uncalled for

Is that good enough for you? Or do you need to attack me some more for having a neutral view of this situation in where I didn’t attack Thorpe or Van ? Should Thorpe have justice for what she alleged happened to her ..absolutely for sure …should she had used Parliament as a way to air the allegations with no legal recuse towards her as she doesn’t want the allegations investigated legally? …absolutely not

I’m really not going to bother engaging further in this thread , and you can continue accusing me of playing a victim for all I care I just saw the attacks as unwarranted with what I had posted.

 

[Saint Shags]

The wording Dutton used this morning seems to insinuate this is separate to the other allegations.

Regardless, the claims of Thorpe need to be looked into, independently.

Stokers statement and it’s detail and the seriousness of the follow up is something clearly believable.

If you believe one you believe the other.

 

[Sphynx]

If you believe one you believe the other.

Why?


They are separate incidents and need to be treated as such.

I’ve said numerous times in here one of Van or Thorpe’s political career is over.

Vans is now over regardless, Thorpe’s accusations, particularly given they were at multiple members needs to be investigated.

A Royal Commission into sexual misconduct in PH will do and surely will weed out all the rats.

 

[Donakebab]

Perhaps Van's shaky hands were because he knew that more was coming... yet he still doubled down. Crazy.

 

[raskolnikov]

Far be it from me to stick up for the Liberal party which I despise with every ounce of my being but what happened until innocent until proven guilt? A lot of people in this thread ready to lynch Van solely on SJW grounds.

 

[Saint Shags]

Why?


They are separate incidents and need to be treated as such.

I’ve said numerous times in here one of Van or Thorpe’s political careers is over.

Vans is now over regardless, Thorpe’s accusations, particularly given they were at multiple members needs to be investigated.

Ah yes so former LNP member = tells the truth.
Independent member = equals liar

Is that the gist? Because it seems that way.

 

[Sphynx]

Perhaps Van's shaky hands were because he knew that more was coming... yet he still doubled down. Crazy.

He doubled down on Thorpe’s accusations.

It’s not impossible that he’s assaulted Stoker and not assaulted Thorpe.

Just as was the case with Lehrmann’s other court case.

 

[Sphynx]

Ah yes so former LNP member = tells the truth.
Independent member = equals liar

Is that the gist? Because it seems that way.

Nothing to do with it.

If you can’t see the differences in Stokers statement vs Thorpe’s I can’t help you.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

The point I was making was that it was concerning that a politician was weaponising parliament privilege to further a personal vendetta , whether he deserves the tarnished reputation or not there’s a legal process for a serious allegation for a reason .

I look at what Trump is allowed to get away with in public for personal insults and allegations and I don’t want to see that happening in parliament

Now on the subject of sexual assault and sexual harassment I generally believed that there was a key difference in one being physical and one being verbal ..Thorpe stated that there was no witness to the inappropriate touching which is why I viewed it as sexual harassment, you have stated I was wrong which is fair enough …the manner in which you did that I believe was uncalled for

Is that good enough for you? Or do you need to attack me some more for having a neutral view of this situation in where I didn’t attack Thorpe or Van ? Should Thorpe have justice for what she alleged happened to her ..absolutely for sure …should she had used Parliament as a way to air the allegations with no legal recuse on her as she doesn’t want to follow it up further …absolutely not

I’m really not going to bother engaging further in this thread , and you can continue accusing me of playing a victim for all I care I just saw the attacks as unwarranted with what I had posted.

What if it was the LNP weaponisation, which Van was repeating their talking points, which triggered Lidia's response to him.

You know, exactly what others have been warning all week was likely to happen to victims. That they would be triggered.

ffs some of you blokes are so ****ing naive. Or worse.... some of you know exactly what you are doing.

 

[Saint]

Far be it from me to stick up for the Liberal party which I despise with every ounce of my being but what happened until innocent until proven guilty. A lot of people in this thread ready to lynch Van solely on SJW grounds.

Innocent until proven guilty is a concept of criminal court. Nobody here is calling for prison time. In fact, this thread has been as much about the victim being a terrible person and liar as the alleged perpetrator. Also, for elected politicians, if Senators from both sides have accused a Senator of sexual harrassment, thats enough for me to want them gone from parliament. I would want the same in my own workplace too.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Perhaps Van's shaky hands were because he knew that more was coming... yet he still doubled down. Crazy.

He will vanish pretty quickly now! And good riddance

 

[QuietB]

The wording Dutton used this morning seems to insinuate this is separate to the other allegations.

Regardless, the claims of Thorpe need to be looked into, independently.

Stokers statement and it’s detail and the seriousness of the follow up is something clearly believable.

That Dutton only found out today is completely unbelievable.

 

[raskolnikov]

Innocent until proven guilty is a concept of criminal court. Nobody here is calling for prison time. In fact, this thread has been as much about the victim being a terrible person and liar as the alleged perpetrator. Also, for elected politicians, if Senators from both sides have accused a Senator of sexual harrassment, thats enough for me to want them gone from parliament. I would want the same in my own workplace too.

I'm a male teacher in a heavily female-dominated profession. I'm one of 2 male teachers in a school with 16 teachers. If two of these teachers decided that they didn't like male teachers and decided to put in false complaints against me then I should automatically lose my job? And this has recently happened in a school that I know of.

 

[QuietB]

The point I was making was that it was concerning that a politician was weaponising parliament privilege to further a personal vendetta , whether he deserves the tarnished reputation or not there’s a legal process for a serious allegation for a reason .

I look at what Trump is allowed to get away with in public for personal insults and allegations and I don’t want to see that happening in parliament

Now on the subject of sexual assault and sexual harassment I generally believed that there was a key difference in one being physical and one being verbal ..Thorpe stated that there was no witness to the inappropriate touching which is why I viewed it as sexual harassment for the comments made towards her , you have stated I was wrong which is fair enough …the manner in which you did that I believe was uncalled for

Is that good enough for you? Or do you need to attack me some more for having a neutral view of this situation in where I didn’t attack Thorpe or Van ? Should Thorpe have justice for what she alleged happened to her ..absolutely for sure …should she had used Parliament as a way to air the allegations with no legal recuse towards her as she doesn’t want the allegations investigated legally? …absolutely not

I’m really not going to bother engaging further in this thread , and you can continue accusing me of playing a victim for all I care I just saw the attacks as unwarranted with what I had posted.

What is the legal process for grabbing someone on the arse?

 

[Gralin]

I'm a male teacher in a heavily female-dominated profession. I'm one of 2 male teachers in a school with 16 teachers. If two of these teachers decided that they didn't like male teachers and decided to put in false complaints against me then I should automatically lose my job? And this has recently happened in a school that I know of.

News flash it's not about you

 

[raskolnikov]

News flash it's not about you

Never said it was.

 

[kalex6251]

on a positive note, expect van will never be invited back on melbourne abc radio

 

[Gralin]

Never said it was.

No you've just done the whole women make shit up to ruin mens lives whic is pretty standard for you

Ever thought the guy you think wasn't an abuser maybe was?

 

[Gralin]

on a positive note, expect van will never be invited back on melbourne abc radio

He'll be on QandA on an episode about sexual assault knowing how the ABC is going

 

[QuietB]

Why?


They are separate incidents and need to be treated as such.

I’ve said numerous times in here one of Van or Thorpe’s political career is over.

Vans is now over regardless, Thorpe’s accusations, particularly given they were at multiple members needs to be investigated.

A Royal Commission into sexual misconduct in PH will do and surely will weed out all the rats.

This is 100% a Liberal party screw up. The Liberal Party picked this week to weaponise the Brittany Higgins alleged rape and then when it came to making a statement in the Senate the Liberals chose a known sex pest to make the statement.

WTF did they think was going to happen.

If anyone else (assuming they are clean) makes that statement then none of this happens.

But they chose Van.

This is 100% an own goal.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

on a positive note, expect van will never be invited back on melbourne abc radio

Stokes will put him on Dancing With the Stars and/or make him GM of 7Brisbane.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I'm a male teacher in a heavily female-dominated profession. I'm one of 2 male teachers in a school with 16 teachers. If two of these teachers decided that they didn't like male teachers and decided to put in false complaints against me then I should automatically lose my job? And this has recently happened in a school that I know of.

Have you considered making friends with the female teachers, and treating them with respect?

 

[Gough]

He doubled down on Thorpe’s accusations.

It’s not impossible that he’s assaulted Stoker and not assaulted Thorpe.

Just as was the case with Lehrmann’s other court case.

You seem to think Thorpe's accusations are politically motivated, I strenuously disagree and think all accusations should be taken seriously but if we're to go down that path, Amanda Stoker has suffered a severe case of relevance deprivation disorder since leaving Parliament.... See how revolting that sounds?

 

[Strange Cat]

What is the legal process for grabbing someone on the arse?

What’s the relevancy to what I posted? I am not calling her a liar or saying she that shouldn’t have justice for her alleged trauma

I am just question why she chose to use parliament privilege as a venue to air the allegations where there were other avenues to follow up the allegations so that the perpetrators can actually face legal consequences for their actions

 

[kalex6251]

He'll be on QandA on an episode about sexual assault knowing how the ABC is going

fair point ..... or

1. leigh sales will tug at the heart strings in an australian story special
2. virginia trioli will attempt to do for van what she set out to do for pesutto (and look how thats going)