Vic Lidia Thorpe: Not the subject for every thread!

[Gethelred]

Seeing as Lidia discussion is cropping up across multiple threads, let's have us a thread for people who want to discuss her contribution to Australian politics.

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[Aristotle Pickett]

I'd tread carefully when moralising others considering you were happy to overlook gross abuse of power when it suited your ideological agenda.

What are you referring to ? You don't think it's hypocritical to denigrate Lidia Thorpe but you're ok with Amanda Stoker for calling out sexual harrassment?

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

The usual suspects here are hypocrites, sure. AP is just a troll, dont pay any mind

No it's you . You post laughing emojis on hundreds of posts then try and get people banned.
If you've got a point to make, make it.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Alternate POV - thorpe saying it is "well, its one person, its a he says she says".

At this stage a reasonable addition to this is "Thorpe said Van was moved from his office at this time because of the allegations... is that true (it clearly was)?"

"Wait... Van... he's the frat boy who makes barking dog noises when a female Upper House counterpart is speaking in Parliament on the day that the Sex Discrimination Commissioner released a report on harassment and culture at Parliament House. Hmmmmmm..."

 

[evolved2]

“It’s been horrible,” Thorpe told ABC’s Radio National. “I became the perpetrator. I became the person that was demonised … I had a media pile on that day.

“And it wasn’t until a white woman stood up and said ‘yeah, this happened to me, too’ that the media took notice."

Lidia Thorpe says she was ‘demonised’ after raising sexual assault allegations in the Senate

Independent senator claims she faced a pile on and media only took notice when a white woman made similar allegations

www.theguardian.com

She continues to be nauseating.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

“It’s been horrible,” Thorpe told ABC’s Radio National. “I became the perpetrator. I became the person that was demonised … I had a media pile on that day.

“And it wasn’t until a white woman stood up and said ‘yeah, this happened to me, too’ that the media took notice."

Lidia Thorpe says she was ‘demonised’ after raising sexual assault allegations in the Senate

Independent senator claims she faced a pile on and media only took notice when a white woman made similar allegations

www.theguardian.com

She continues to be nauseating.

Your take on her honesty in speaking out on women's rights and Indigenous rights is nauseating.

 

[evolved2]

Your take on her honesty in speaking out on women's rights and Indigenous rights is nauseating.

There's record of her upsetting First Nation peoples, record of her lying, and multiple instances of her playing victim card whenever possible.

My problem isn't with her honesty.

If Scomo was a mixed race woman, he'd be Lidia Thorpe.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

There's record of her upsetting First Nation peoples, record of her lying, and multiple instances of her playing victim card whenever possible.

My problem isn't with her honesty.

If Scomo was a mixed race woman, he'd be Lidia Thorpe.

I can't recall her playing the victim card unnesessarily but these douchebags did.

 

[E Shed]

Its so pathetic the way this incident has been reported.
Dutton knew about all the allegations beforehand. No one does or says anything, its just the way they roll.
Thorpe brings it out in the open, Dutton takes his usual lowest common denominator approach and goes after her.
Stoker and one other woman join in.
Dutton has to swallow his bile and take action. Nauseating media coverage then suggests he has taken decisive action.
He continues to go after Thorpe in the media.

God I'd love for once just one MS media person to call out there endless lying about who knew what when.
Just say it, everyone knew and Dutton only acted because he Van got shafted by one of his own. Decency or doing the right thing for the right reason doesn't inform anything any of of these people do.

Scomo continues to lie through his teeth about everything to do with Higgins as do all of them. Why does no one call them out?

 

[Big Papa Ted]

What are you referring to ? You don't think it's hypocritical to denigrate Lidia Thorpe but you're ok with Amanda Stoker for calling out sexual harrassment?

Monique Ryan.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

“It’s been horrible,” Thorpe told ABC’s Radio National. “I became the perpetrator. I became the person that was demonised … I had a media pile on that day.

“And it wasn’t until a white woman stood up and said ‘yeah, this happened to me, too’ that the media took notice."

Lidia Thorpe says she was ‘demonised’ after raising sexual assault allegations in the Senate

Independent senator claims she faced a pile on and media only took notice when a white woman made similar allegations

www.theguardian.com

She continues to be nauseating.

No lies detected in her quote that you bolded.

 

[FIGJAM]

No lies detected in her quote that you bolded.

If you replaced "white" with "second" in the bolded sentence, then it would be removing the unnecessary racial charging of the statement.

 

[Saint]

I don't see any lies in Lidia's allegations in this instance. This is one occasion where she deserves applause globally.

If you're looking for evidence of her lying in other instances, there's ample historical evidence on record.

No, there isn't. You all keep saying there is. But there simply isn't.

You just think there is because you've swallowed a narrative where the media have stretched everything she's said to make it look like an exaggeration, but in reality everything she says is mostly true.

THere's just a cohort of Newscorp believers on here who started piling on Thorpe when she raised the allegations and now you're all pretending that she has a history of lying to justify why you piled on because you got sucked in and don't want to sound like fools (but you do).

Even Newscorp is now ignoring the fact it was Thorpe who raised this, and praising Dutton for being decisive when that invertebrate was piling on too until Stoker gave him a call.

So now he looks racist, sexist and politically inept (again) to most of us, unless you're a Newscorp believer of course and you think Dutton is the hero in all of this, when it's his idiotic decision to have somebody he knows has been alleged to have committed two counts of sexual assault stand up and speak about it.

 

[Saint]

“It’s been horrible,” Thorpe told ABC’s Radio National. “I became the perpetrator. I became the person that was demonised … I had a media pile on that day.

“And it wasn’t until a white woman stood up and said ‘yeah, this happened to me, too’ that the media took notice."

Lidia Thorpe says she was ‘demonised’ after raising sexual assault allegations in the Senate

Independent senator claims she faced a pile on and media only took notice when a white woman made similar allegations

www.theguardian.com

She continues to be nauseating.

Nauseating?

This is like one of those instances where you're all calling her a liar, when all she's doing is telling the truth.

Honestly, it's got to the point where if you're so blind to this, then you're probably a completely oblivious racist person.

Unless your contention is that the Libs only care if the sexual assault is against one of their own members?

Neither makes them, or you, a less-worse person.

 

[Saint]

If you replaced "white" with "second" in the bolded sentence, then it would be removing the unnecessary racial charging of the statement.

Except Dutton knew about the second allegation before he got the phone call....so why was he happy to have Van make a speech against sexual assault when he knows Van is an alleged perpetrator. Is there nobody in the Liberal Senate who doesn't?

Dutton already knows pre-parliamentary-allegation about both allegations. So why is Thorpe's objection dismissed to vociferously by his party for 24 hours, before Stoker calls him and says she's going to go public to protect Thorpe.

Christ almighty, Amanda Stoker has more morals than you lot.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Monique Ryan.

Lol what a ridiculous post to bother making

 

[Demons09]

Lol what a ridiculous post to bother making

You’ve made thousands.

 

[FIGJAM]

Except Dutton knew about the second allegation before he got the phone call....so why was he happy to have Van make a speech against sexual assault when he knows Van is an alleged perpetrator. Is there nobody in the Liberal Senate who doesn't?

Dutton already knows pre-parliamentary-allegation about both allegations. So why is Thorpe's objection dismissed to vociferously by his party for 24 hours, before Stoker calls him and says she's going to go public to protect Thorpe.

Christ almighty, Amanda Stoker has more morals than you lot.

What's Dutton got to do with anything? Thorpe's quote was in reference to the media and here claims of systemic racism therein!

I for one don't think she was "demonised" by the media from what I read and I read all media sources. Both her and RWNJ Stoker have plenty of ammo for the media to bring up to fill an article, but that's their history and it shouldn't detract from the serious claims at hand.

My point is that Thorpe citing race is bollocks. It's human nature for the media (or even mug BigFooty posters) to take any single allegation as something that needs to be taken seriously and investigated by authorities, but when the second claim comes in, then you shift to the "Where there's smoke, there's fire..." camp and then when a third hits, it's "This mother****er's potentially a parliamentary Weinstein!".

Race only comes into it if you artificially inject it in there. Of course, Thorpe literally called Albo and other well-wishers as "racist and misogynistic" for suggesting she "gets some help" after her strip club behaviour, so we shouldn't be surprised at her tactics. Needs to be called out though.

 

[Saint]

What's Dutton got to do with anything? Thorpe's quote was in reference to the media and here claims of systemic racism therein!

I for one don't think she was "demonised" by the media from what I read and I read all media sources. Both her and RWNJ Stoker have plenty of ammo for the media to bring up to fill an article, but that's their history and it shouldn't detract from the serious claims at hand.

My point is that Thorpe citing race is bollocks. It's human nature for the media (or even mug BigFooty posters) to take any single allegation as something that needs to be taken seriously and investigated by authorities, but when the second claim comes in, then you shift to the "Where there's smoke, there's fire..." camp and then when a third hits, it's "This mother*er's potentially a parliamentary Weinstein!".

Race only comes into it if you artificially inject it in there. Of course, Thorpe literally called Albo and other well-wishers as "racist and misogynistic" for suggesting she "gets some help" after her strip club behaviour, so we shouldn't be surprised at her tactics. Needs to be called out though.

You honestly can't see that Thorpe gets more attacks from Newscorp than anybody? Compare her to Lambie or Hanson who have said way more stupid crap/

You think it's because of all these terrible things she's done? But you only think that because of the News narrative (and I think Thorpe was exaggerating one way in a couple of those instances, but not all).

You all think she's a liar, but have no evidence, you think she's seeing racism where there isn't, but you haven't been there and can't put yourself in her shoes.

I wouldn't vote for her, I disagree with most of her politics, but if you can't tell that she cops more attacks from News and in particular the Dutton-led Liberal Party than most and don't wonder why, then I can't help you.

Just use your own logic. She gets attacked by News where they either downplay or exaggerate her claims to attack her, over and over, then the cops pinned her to the ground and News said she was being dramatic, then they disbelieved and attacked her about sexual assault (even though the Libs took action over it), then when she's vindicated, they don't say a word in praise or support or take back their attacks, they just say what a good job Dutton did.

How much smoke about mistreatment is Thorpe supposed to take before she yells "racism"? hmm? And that's just the public stuff we've seen, not the span of her lifetime and lived experience.

Race is only completely ignored because you want it to be, because it makes you feel uncomfortable to acknowledge that it still exists. Dutton is relevant, because he's got more than 3 racism strikes to his name.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I’m not sure that there is a way for Thorpe to win over newscorp types; but perhaps highlighting as bias without using “race” (ie claim that they are personally biased against her rather than claim there is a racial basis to it) may work to convince others and further ridicule newscorp.
That’s just a suggestion re tactics.

 

[Gralin]

I’m not sure that there is a way for Thorpe to win over newscorp types; but perhaps highlighting as bias without using “race” (ie claim that they are personally biased against her rather than claim there is a racial basis to it) may work to convince others and further ridicule newscorp.
That’s just a suggestion re tactics.

Yeah pander to the racists by pretending its not about race and you're just helping them argue the problem is your personality.

She cops what she does in part because she won't pretend racism isn't an issue.

 

[Saint]

I’m not sure that there is a way for Thorpe to win over newscorp types; but perhaps highlighting as bias without using “race” (ie claim that they are personally biased against her rather than claim there is a racial basis to it) may work to convince others and further ridicule newscorp.
That’s just a suggestion re tactics.

They'll just hear the "bias" they want to think she's talking about. Like bias against Greens, women, whatever makes them feel better.
People who subscribe to the Herald Sun don't want to hear (or believe) how racially biased it is.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Yeah pander to the racists by pretending its not about race and you're just helping them argue the problem is your personality.

She cops what she does in part because she won't pretend racism isn't an issue.

Do you think her current approach is working though? I think that others outside of newscorp circle would be more sympathetic to it being unfounded personal attack and I think it has a better chance with some of those readers (whose brains instantly stop thinking once the racism word is dropped into an automated “no we aren’t you are full of shit”)

 

[Gralin]

Do you think her current approach is working though? I think that others outside of newscorp circle would be more sympathetic to it being unfounded personal attack and I think it has a better chance with some of those readers (whose brains instantly stop thinking once the racism word is dropped into an automated “no we aren’t you are full of s**t”)

but again

what you're saying is people might be sympathetic to the racist treatment she is getting if she pretends racism isn't the cause of it

so explain to me how that would fix anything

pretending racism doesn't exist is great for racists and people that don't want to deal with racists

but its not really a luxury the people the racism is directed at have

 

[Crankyhawk]

but again

what you're saying is people might be sympathetic to the racist treatment she is getting if she pretends racism isn't the cause of it

so explain to me how that would fix anything

pretending racism doesn't exist is great for racists and people that don't want to deal with racists

but its not really a luxury the people the racism is directed at have

I think it’s more pick and choose your timing and audience that’s all. I’ve only experienced racism as the recipient of direct verbal taunts (schoolyard stuff) and sure I’d respond with racially directed ones about lazy dumb white people (I’m south East Asian racial background) and/or get into physical fights. None of this helped.

 

[FIGJAM]

You honestly can't see that Thorpe gets more attacks from Newscorp than anybody? Compare her to Lambie or Hanson who have said way more stupid crap

I'm not going through your post with a fine tooth comb as there are too many straw arguments claims to waste time on, but this is quite ridiculous.

Hanson might not have copped as much flack from the Murdoch side of the leger, but I don't think I've seen an Aussie politician cop more shit than her in the media (deservedly so IMHO). I'd be interested in seeing the Lydia version of Pauline Pantsdown!

As for Jackie Lambie, she has some strong views that I sometimes disagree with, but how the hell are you bundling her up with the likes of Hanson and Thorpe?!