Vic Lidia Thorpe: Not the subject for every thread!

[Gethelred]

Seeing as Lidia discussion is cropping up across multiple threads, let's have us a thread for people who want to discuss her contribution to Australian politics.

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[Gough]

I mean who does she think she is, expecting the King to have a private meeting with her? Kind of similar to when Harry O'Brien wrote a letter to Obama requesting a meeting, nothing wrong with asking I suppose.

It's constantly stressed how much of a special interest Charles takes in Indigenous issues, perhaps Thorpe thought he might be willing to meet her and listen to her point of view.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

It's constantly stressed how much of a special interest Charles takes in Indigenous issues, perhaps Thorpe thought he might be willing to meet her and listen to her point of view.

Royal family worth a conservative 28 billion pounds. Almost entirely built on plundering the wealth of the colonies.

Always nice that Charles and the firm can provide lip service to having a special interest in indigenous issues

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Tiny mind stuff there. Thorpe should be thrown out Canberra.

Thorpe was elected, Charles wasn’t.

 

[Gough]

Royal family worth a conservative 28 billion pounds. Almost entirely built on plundering the wealth of the colonies.

Always nice that Charles and the firm can provide lip service to having a special interest in indigenous issues

It's like being constantly told how hard working Charles is.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

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Nailed it and what a disgrace she makes that much money. What a hypocritical POS she is

What has she actually achieved

Well it appears she achieved creating a discussion nation wide about the royal family and it's impact on indigenous Australians?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

It's like being constantly told how hard working Charles is.

So hard working he could continue on a torrid affair with the woman he wanted to be a tampon for while his wife and kids were at home, without anyone noticing (well reporting).

 

[Inspecta Gadget]

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Nailed it and what a disgrace she makes that much money. What a hypocritical POS she is

What has she actually achieved

She's actually a perfect representation of the people that elected her.

Whether that's a good thing or a sad indictment on reality is for the home viewer to decide.

 

[Xtreme]

Unfortunately not surprising but the standard of posting here from all 'sides' is awful.

Not everyone can live up to my highly esteemed exceptional quality of posts.

Australia DO BETTER!

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Is there a bigger waste of space than Caleb Bond?

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[HirdsTheWord]

That's incredible.

'I probably wouldn't... maybe'.

so in your view, if i disagree with how someone acted in a single setting, i am against ever racial movement in human history?

lol

 

[JackFlash]

Thorpe was elected, Charles wasn’t.

Elected to serve at the pleasure of the crown who she has pledged allegiance too, i'm no royalist, but if she feels that strongly about it then all she has to do is resign! Will Adam Bandt give up his home and join us all on that journey to find a new home on one of the 2 million uninhabited islands in the world? Will the Spanish and Portuguese say sorry about that and give up Mexico, Latin and South America? She is the most divisive person this country has ever seen. She has no decorum whatsoever.

 

[JackFlash]

Is there a bigger waste of space than Caleb Bond?

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Caleb is right on the money!

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Elected to serve at the pleasure of the crown who she has pledged allegiance too, i'm no royalist, but if she feels that strongly about it then all she has to do is resign! Will Adam Bandt give up his home and join us all on that journey to find a new home on one of the 2 million uninhabited islands in the world? Will the Spanish and Portuguese say sorry about that and give up Mexico, Latin and South America? She is the most divisive person this country has ever seen. She has no decorum whatsoever.

Ahhhh the old catch 22.

You can't be a member of parliament and agitate for change because parliament is set up such that you'd then be a hypocrite.

Therefore nothing can ever change.

What ****en clowns.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Elected to serve at the pleasure of the crown who she has pledged allegiance too, i'm no royalist, but if she feels that strongly about it then all she has to do is resign! Will Adam Bandt give up his home and join us all on that journey to find a new home on one of the 2 million uninhabited islands in the world? Will the Spanish and Portuguese say sorry about that and give up Mexico, Latin and South America? She is the most divisive person this country has ever seen. She has no decorum whatsoever.

 

[Madas]

Elected to serve at the pleasure of the crown who she has pledged allegiance too, i'm no royalist, but if she feels that strongly about it then all she has to do is resign! Will Adam Bandt give up his home and join us all on that journey to find a new home on one of the 2 million uninhabited islands in the world? Will the Spanish and Portuguese say sorry about that and give up Mexico, Latin and South America? She is the most divisive person this country has ever seen. She has no decorum whatsoever.

With respect, Surely this is a flawed argument ?
Being in politics at least gives her the voice to express her opinions and those of the people she represents.

For clarity I don’t know much about her and am strongly anti monarchy so I guess I’m on her side on this matter

I’m glad she called out the monarchy for the scam that it is

 

[Demons09]

Well it appears she achieved creating a discussion nation wide about the royal family and it's impact on indigenous Australians?

Really the only discussion i’ve seen is people saying what a twat she is and from indigenous people as well.

 

[Gralin]

Really the only discussion i’ve seen is people saying what a twat she is and from indigenous people as well.

yeah that's the whole point isn't it

they don't want to deal with what she said so they attack how she said it

bog standard deflection

 

[QuietB]

Elected to serve at the pleasure of the crown who she has pledged allegiance too, i'm no royalist, but if she feels that strongly about it then all she has to do is resign! Will Adam Bandt give up his home and join us all on that journey to find a new home on one of the 2 million uninhabited islands in the world? Will the Spanish and Portuguese say sorry about that and give up Mexico, Latin and South America? She is the most divisive person this country has ever seen. She has no decorum whatsoever.

Imagine the Monarchists League were the only people eligible to serve in government.

That is an Eric Abetz wet dream

 

[Gralin]

wheeling this out again

 

[Inspecta Gadget]

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Lidia Thorpe?

 

[MPMonkeys]

yeah that's the whole point isn't it

they don't want to deal with what she said so they attack how she said it

bog standard deflection

What did she say?
It was just incoherent rambling mixed in with the odd F-bomb.

She wants reparations but no discussion of how much, who gets it, who pays it or anything else of substance.

'Reparations' is a whole can of worms and is way too complex for someone of her intellect. For example, does Bruce Pascoe get the same amount as Lidia Thorpe or Jacinta Price or Megan Davis ?
What about those on welfare or those in prison?

These are questions that are automatically classed as 'racist' because they are too hard to answer. Much easier to scream and shout and achieve nothing.

 

[Gough]

What did she say?
It was just incoherent rambling mixed in with the odd F-bomb.

She wants reparations but no discussion of how much, who gets it, who pays it or anything else of substance.

'Reparations' is a whole can of worms and is way too complex for someone of her intellect. For example, does Bruce Pascoe get the same amount as Lidia Thorpe or Jacinta Price or Megan Davis ?
What about those on welfare or those in prison?

These are questions that are automatically classed as 'racist' because they are too hard to answer. Much easier to scream and shout and achieve nothing.

Nothing is being achieved at the moment when it comes to reconciliation, the Closing the Gap statement is just an annual list of failings, colonisation is the main cause of this and yet Thorpe is the villain for pointing this out.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Nothing is being achieved at the moment when it comes to reconciliation, the Closing the Gap statement is just an annual list of failings, colonisation is the main cause of this and yet Thorpe is the villain for pointing this out.

What do you mean 'nothing is being achieved'?
What would you like achieved - how can anything be 'achieved' when the goal is not agreed on or not articulated or is unrealistic?

 

[Gough]

What do you mean 'nothing is being achieved'?
What would you like achieved - how can anything be 'achieved' when the goal is not agreed on or not articulated or is unrealistic?

Here's the 17 agreed targets for Closing the Gap and we're not doing very well in any of them.

Closing the Gap targets and outcomes | Closing the Gap

www.closingthegap.gov.au

 

[Happy Mastenator]

What did she say?
It was just incoherent rambling mixed in with the odd F-bomb.

She wants reparations but no discussion of how much, who gets it, who pays it or anything else of substance.

'Reparations' is a whole can of worms and is way too complex for someone of her intellect. For example, does Bruce Pascoe get the same amount as Lidia Thorpe or Jacinta Price or Megan Davis ?
What about those on welfare or those in prison?

These are questions that are automatically classed as 'racist' because they are too hard to answer. Much easier to scream and shout and achieve nothing.

What did she say?
“You committed genocide against our people. Give us our land back. Give us what you stole from us - our bones, our skulls, our babies, our people. You destroyed our land. Give us a treaty. We want a treaty in this country. You are a genocidalist. This is not your land. This is not your land. You are not my king. You are not our king.”

Seems pretty clear she wanted, among other things the return of stolen items, including the bones of her ancestors. Seems entirely reasonable.

Reparations, not once did she mention it. Also "'Reparations' is a whole can of worms and is way too complex for someone of her intellect" this just screams racism. Not to mention that your intellect seems to struggle with the concept that reparations might not just be a cash payment to individuals.

A Treaty? A treaty sets out the rights and obligations on both parties. It's something that would be hard, but could be done, and is probably reasonable. NZ has one.