News Lions involved in mad Monday incident.

[notting18]

I'm not sure what you mean, notting.

This sounds pretty bad. Maybe it's an opportunity to educate players, but that's not necessarily all it is.

You seem to be suggesting that it was like racial villification, but when I was suggesting a punishment/education model similar to how racial villificiation is addressed, you think that isn't suitable - in part because there is no history of racial villification of a member of the public. Therefore, suggesting that whether the victim is a member of the public is a relevant factor in the punishment.

In my opinion, you need to tackle to root issue whether its racial villification or treatment of people with disabilities and therefore, the same approach should be taken regardless of who the victim is.

 

[Happy_Neale]

I don't think the player needs to be educated that making fun of someone in a wheelchair is unacceptable. I do however think he will need to redeem himself from this with a community service type punishment and a fine, with possibly a game or two suspension if that isn't enough.

 

[Fatcat08]

From that article it is hard to get your head around what happened.

obviously there is the worst case scenario in which the lions player was deliberately rude to the guy or it could have gone down something like the below?

Rolling down the hill, hit a rough patch and braced the wheelchair from falling over. At the same time the lions player ran down yelling wheelchair, wheelchair (drunk and maybe thinking he could stupidly somehow ride it) didn't stop quick enough and ran into him while he was stopping himself from falling. Afterwards lions walked over to the cab rank (which if i know the spot is about another 20-30 mtrs from there) tried to hop in a cab but had food on them so had to throw it away and instead of putting it in a bit threw it down, in the direction of the guy in the wheelchair?

Either way its not a great look but given the story has changed significantly in the space of a few hours we probably should hold off on the calls for delistings etc.

 

[Betty Noir]

That'd be a costly delisting with his newly inked contract still drying!!

Breach of contract. Contract annulled. Zilch payout.

 

[Ironmonger]

You seem to be suggesting that it was like racial villification, but when I was suggesting a punishment/education model similar to how racial villificiation is addressed, you think that isn't suitable - in part because there is no history of racial villification of a member of the public. Therefore, suggesting that whether the victim is a member of the public is a relevant factor in the punishment.

In my opinion, you need to tackle to root issue whether its racial villification or treatment of people with disabilities and therefore, the same approach should be taken regardless of who the victim is.

Honestly, I'm not sure if there's any relevant precedent for this. There's a number of things that make this incident unique, and the alleged victim is one of them.

If a player racially vilifies another player, or a member of the public, or anyone, my first thought isn't to educate everyone that racism is bad. That probably shouldn't be necessary. And I don't think players should need to be educated about why throwing a kebab at a disabled person is wrong, whether or not that's actually what has happened.

If I was out one night and I saw a bloke yelling at a disabled person, pushing him around against his will in a wheelchair, stealing his taxi, and hurling a late-night snack at him, my reaction wouldn't be to consider the underlying social context that informed his actions. I'd think the bloke was a dickhead who needed to be punished.

I'm really struggling to see Daniel Rich in this context. I'll need to be convinced that he'd do something so stupid. No one just goes along through life without incident and then does something like this out of the blue.

So we'll see.

 

[Elixuh]

Breach of contract. Contract annulled. Zilch payout.

Why did we have to pay Fev out then if we had grounds for dismissal under contact?

 

[POBT]

Breach of contract. Contract annulled. Zilch payout.

Player sues for breach of contract, club settles, settlement payment included in salary cap.

 

[____]

#StandByRich

#whateverittakes

 

[Bucking Beads]

We aren't sacking a player over this.

 

[lions27]

I would have thought that if the bloke was that upset over the alleged incident that he would have gone straight to the police station first thing Monday morning at the latest...

 

[Betty Noir]

Player sues for breach of contract, club settles, settlement payment included in salary cap.

Even if it's a criminal act? Wow, we'll have to wait and hope that things abate considerably.

 

[Grizzly86]

It's hard to envisage a delisting over this, even if the first reported story was true. Lets be realistic, the story is still developing, which in this instance has the sensationalism minimising with every passing minute.

A fine, some community service, an apology as well as some signed gear to the 'victim' will be the end of this 'story'.

 

[Toffee Lion]

I'll admit/confess that I jumped to quickly in believing the full extent of the story without further evidence.

Now that the tipping has been ruled out, you wonder what else didn't really happen.

 

[matwt73]

This is speculation but it sounds to me like 8 or 9 drunk afl players jostled a wheelchair whilst they were pushing in front of this guy to beat him to the taxi.

Stupid, insensitive thing to do. If true, All should apologise and do a disability awareness course, senior players should get a decent sized fine.

 

[Skoob]

Oh god. Just heard about this. I'm so over footy right now. Put me in a medically induced coma for 2 years.

What, and miss the premiership?

 

[GingerGreatness]

Well, it doesn't really. You don't go around grabbing people in wheelchairs and pushing them around. That's not 'an unfortunate scuffle'. Not sure if it's breaking any laws but it's beyond just normal rudeness.

Like I said, I can't wrap my head around what has physically happened - all I can work out is the guy says that he hit "the idiot" on a rough surface patch of road, and "the idiot" ran at him screaming, he braced, and "the idiot" pushed him (for goodness knows how long or for what purpose).

"You don't go around grabbing people in wheelchairs and pushing them around" overstates it too IMO, based on what the guy has said. Of course you don't, but I'm not sure "the idiot" did here. I'm willing to try and use context - but I can't work it out.

 

[Triple R]

From reading the story (stories) it looks like there could very well be a lot of he said, she said BS involved and I doubt if anything will really even come of this. Saying that we will sack the player and remove their contract is a massive over reaction. There was almost nothing in this story. There were insults flung from both sides a slight altercation happened but nothing serious has happened.

It's really poor to see after all that this club has been through lately that one or more of our players is not living up to the standard that is required of a modern day AFL footballer. We need solid citizens to breed a good culture, not drunk fools reacting poorly to a late night situation. I think that is where our frustration of this situation is coming from. It will all be over soon enough.

It's interesting to note that the alleged victim is being so very candid with his interview. His lawyer has already leaked mis-information and the alleged victim has broken away from that story (within a few hours no less). Something is not quite right about all of this.

 

[Madkeenlions]

The Club website had an article on Tuesday 3rd September that both Rich and Adcock were having post season surgery that day (3rd Sept.) Very surprising that a player would have had enough to drink, one day before surgery that he could have been so out of control to do that which has beeen allocated??
Not a Doctor but isn't there a period of fasting (including no drinking) prior to surgery? This all seems rather strange IMO if a player is scheduled to go under the knife the very next day.

 

[royboy2]

I'll admit/confess that I jumped to quickly in believing the full extent of the story without further evidence.

Now that the tipping has been ruled out, you wonder what else didn't really happen.

Hearing that it may not have even been Rich?

 

[Always a Lion]

"I was in the process of rolling down the hill to the cab rank and as I came down the corner there is a particular rough surface, that's when I hit (came across) this idiot and he was running at me screaming 'wheelchair, wheelchair, wheelchair'."


So according to the man the incident happened in a hilly area, and as he turned the corner a man running to him was screaming, "wheelchair, wheelchair, wheelchair". Sounds like a warning call to his mates to avoid running into the man. Someone brushes him, but a collision is avoided. There's a brief teasing exchange, some banter from boys out having a good time, harmless, they get in the cab and go.

What the hell was the lawyer/journalist on making the allegations in the initial report?

 

[Madkeenlions]

The Club website had an article on Tuesday 3rd September that both Rich and Adcock were having post season surgery that day (3rd Sept.) Very surprising that a player would have had enough to drink, one day before surgery that he could have been so out of control to do that which has beeen allocated??
Not a Doctor but isn't there a period of fasting (including no drinking) prior to surgery? This all seems rather strange IMO if a player is scheduled to go under the knife the very next day.[/quote
"Adcock and Rich to have minor surgery
Exclusive to lions.com.au 3:51pm AEST Tuesday, September 3, 2013

Brisbane Lions Co-Captain, Jed Adcock, and Vice-Captain, Daniel Rich, will both undergo ankle surgery today".

 

[Monkey Daniel]

Lots of panic button pushing going on... found guilty by trail of media and internet forum..where some have let the facts get in the way of a good story....
Shall enjoy reading the knee jerk reactions and wait for the final story before passing any judgement

 

[BL_dobsmob]

What if ... the reason for the "wheelchair, wheelchair wheelchair" was the player letting the others in the group know that it appeared to be running down a hill and out of control and he was trying to help the occupant. When the help was not appreciated or misunderstood they left him alone but then encountered him again at the taxi rank where there was no inclination to help and so the players got in to the cab while the wheelchair occupant saw it as pushing in front of him - he may have even rung for the cab and the players didn't know if this...

The main point here is there are soooooo many ways this could have happened and until or unless there is CCTV (or the cabbie speaks up) we may never know and it will end up being 9 blokes story vs 1.

It is clear that one particular person appears to have benefited from the whole episode...

no prizes for guessing...

 

[lions27]

Ok after examining all available evidence it appears that nothing actually happened , our boys are in the clear

 

[James North]

Lawyer has named Rich - https://twitter.com/renaehenry10 (found by Lixy_)

That place used to be a Superchicken and it was much better than the Kebabs now served.