List Mgmt. List Management Discussion for 2022

[Lickmesocks]

Chad's prob worth more to us to get right and try and get 2 or 3 good seasons out of him rather than a trade.

If we did want to try and move him on I think where his body is at maybe Hodgey could get in his ear about how good the Brisbane climate is for recovery. He'd be pretty good in that side if fit.

We need to get him to that hamstring guru in Germany and get those pins fixed.

He must have either done his hammy or calf I reckon 10 times since he has been with the Hawks .

 

[Brishawk]

He absolutely has a lack of accountability though, that's the point. he's better in a better side because his lack of accountability doesn't get exposed as much.

He can get back to defense due to his tank but he doesn't get there fast and doesn't actually apply any accountability, its purely to be a possession out for us. Which again isn't useful in the side we have now and his ball use.

I've had a former captain tell me explicitly that Tom doesn't listen and does his own thing, while that's good when it is working its not good in the scheme of things now.

3 x bnf says the coaches thought he was doing the right thing.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

We need to get him to that hamstring guru in Germany and get those pins fixed.

He must have either done his hammy or calf I reckon 10 times since he has been with the Hawks .

If feels that way but funnily enough he played every game in 2020 and only had 2 injury periods last season.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Not a free agent - just an uncontracted player. Need 8 years of service at a club to become a free agent.

Oh, fair enough.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Dom. Plz…

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[SSSSSS]

Mitchell pre-broken leg was an absolute animal. Was everything you wanted in an inside midfielder. Soft hands, tough, ran all day and while he wasn't quick he had good lateral movement to make up for it. Took on the tackler and made space for the runners. Was a clearance machine and anyone questioning his 2018 Brownlow has rocks in their head. Was the clear best performed player over a 22 game season.

Broken leg took that lateral movement away. He can't take on the tackler so rather than creating space he sucks it in. What little toe he had he lost and his strength to stand up in the tackle looks all but gone. He had the tools to give himself time and space but without he is a shadow of his former self.

Still has the running power and the grit to contribute by finding a heap of the footy but without his ability to bring his teammates into the fold, we aren't getting the value in his work. Which is a real shame considering how hard we works on the field. We've made the right moves in trying to distribute his possession to other players but it's up to the other midfielders to fill that gap and unfortunately they haven't.

Desperately need mids but that's as clear as dogs balls to anyone with eyes.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Us "oldies" aren't referring to Lewis' grand final performances, we're referring to his whole career. You have not watched every game from his career.

You think i didn't rewatch normal games? you don't know me at all HA

 

[Jazzfan]

Tom has probably been hurt by the emergence of Newcombe. We are now seeing an emerging inside bull who could be that damaging player we desperately need. As such, Tom is expendable and has trade value more than others. His negatives have frustrated me for while - this year especially his lack of effort to turn and chase when he’s turned it over makes me really livid.

Chad on the other hand is bloody excellent when playing as an outside midfielder. His last quarter of 2019 and good patches of his 2021 season with us where he was playing extensive midfield minutes he was crushing it. We don’t really, as yet, have a younger midfielder who is screaming out to make that position theirs. I’m not sure if it is his preference to play more up forward but I wish he’d play more midfield as we absolutely need him there.

Do you think Sam feels the same but?

At the end of the day, even with all the mixes he is throwing in our midfield this year Chad wasn't part of it...

I've also never heard Sam really speak of Chad as a leader when that topic comes up in so many interviews...

Do you honestly think he's viewed internally like he is on this board since Clarko left?

To be honest, our contract offer will really tell us the answer to that I guess.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Mitchell pre-broken leg was an absolute animal. Was everything you wanted in an inside midfielder. Soft hands, tough, ran all day and while he wasn't quick he had good lateral movement to make up for it. Took on the tackler and made space for the runners. Was a clearance machine and anyone questioning his 2018 Brownlow has rocks in their head. Was the clear best performed player over a 22 game season.

Broken leg took that lateral movement away. He can't take on the tackler so rather than creating space he sucks it in. What little toe he had he lost and his strength to stand up in the tackle looks all but gone. He had the tools to give himself time and space but without he is a shadow of his former self.

Still has the running power and the grit to contribute by finding a heap of the footy but without his ability to bring his teammates into the fold, we aren't getting the value in his work. Which is a real shame considering how hard we works on the field. We've made the right moves in trying to distribute his possession to other players but it's up to the other midfielders to fill that gap and unfortunately they haven't.

Desperately need mids but that's as clear as dogs balls to anyone with eyes.

This is a really good explanation of it. He has only improved since first returning from it in 2020, but he'll never be as good as he was. Which sucks, but it is what it is. He's still got a very good inside game because he has the natural ability through his hand skills and smarts around the clearance.

And it's hard to know whether he still has specific things because of the fact he hasn't got the runners to give it to, who he once had, especially with his broken leg.

 

[chopflop]

Agree. He'll finish a Hawk. Where he belongs.

I wouldn't offer him more than two years on above-average salary e.g., 500-550. If the club was similarly inclined and he gets offered three years and 1.5mil somewhere else, surely he would look at it.

It all depends on how much we value him really. I can see scenarios where Chad opts to take guaranteed long-term coin and I am not sure we would offer him that.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Do you think Sam feels the same but?

At the end of the day, even with all the mixes he is throwing in our midfield this year Chad wasn't part of it...

I've also never heard Sam really speak of Chad as a leader when that topic comes up in so many interviews...

Do you honestly think he's viewed internally like he is on this board since Clarko left?

I genuinely can’t tell - I don’t know if Sam is taking cues from Chad stating he has a preference to play up the ground or whether he feels he does better as a forward. I can only go by what I’ve seen personally (and his stat lines tend to concur - check his end to the 2019 and 2021 seasons) that when he’s playing that outside role he’s played his best footy in our colours.

In terms of leadership I’m not fussed. He’s not in the leadership group - strikes me as more a good clubman as opposed to an on field general.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Tom has probably been hurt by the emergence of Newcombe. We are now seeing an emerging inside bull who could be that damaging player we desperately need. As such, Tom is expendable and has trade value more than others. His negatives have frustrated me for while - this year especially his lack of effort to turn and chase when he’s turned it over makes me really livid.

Chad on the other hand is bloody excellent when playing as an outside midfielder. His last quarter of 2019 and good patches of his 2021 season with us where he was playing extensive midfield minutes he was crushing it. We don’t really, as yet, have a younger midfielder who is screaming out to make that position theirs. I’m not sure if it is his preference to play more up forward but I wish he’d play more midfield as we absolutely need him there.

I think people need to realise that Tom isn't going to be super consistently, because of the fact he broke his leg and has had (shoulder injury) but also that he's playing out of position for the most part.

While that is the case, he's still been a really good player in terms of clearance and contested work still, and getting involved forward of centre has been pretty good.

It's all about adapting, and who knows he may improve in this role in 2023.

Some of our best games Tom and Duke have worked in tandem together and it's often giving us our best looks forward and it's when our midfield is at their best and dominant.

 

[Mercy Seat]

For mine, Wingard has always played his best footy for us playing as an outside midfielder. If he’s playing that role I would love him to stay - not so attached if he’s preferring to play a forward role.

I don’t think that’s something we can bank on really. We’ve appeared to have held him back from playing mid due to his body/ fitness and yet he still continues to break down. I’d love for him to stick around, but I think we’d have to be realistic and know that it’s never going to be the amount of midfield minutes we’d like.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I think people need to realise that Tom isn't going to be super consistently, because of the fact he broke his leg and has had (shoulder injury) but also that he's playing out of position for the most part.

While that is the case, he's still been a really good player in terms of clearance and contested work still, and getting involved forward of centre has been pretty good.

It's all about adapting, and who knows he may improve in this role in 2023.

Some of our best games Tom and Duke have worked in tandem together and it's often giving us our best looks forward and it's when our midfield is at their best and dominant.

I guess this just highlights why I’d take the right draft assets over keeping him. The chances of him playing in our next premiership are lessening and his adaptation to our gameplan in a different role isn’t a sure thing. I’d rather roll the dice and try drafting for the more versatile midfielder who could develop into an A-grader to pair with Newk who’ll both be in their prime years when we aim for our next flag. It’s not so much hating/bashing Tom (I think he’s got his negatives but I have nothing against the guy) - it’s about maximising our chances of having the right pieces for our next flag.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

I guess this just highlights why I’d take the right draft assets over keeping him. The chances of him playing in our next premiership are lessening and his adaptation to our gameplan in a different role isn’t a sure thing. I’d rather roll the dice and try drafting for the more versatile midfielder who could develop into an A-grader to pair with Newk who’ll both be in their prime years when we aim for our next flag. It’s not so much hating/bashing Tom (I think he’s got his negatives but I have nothing against the guy) - it’s about maximising our chances of having the right pieces for our next flag.

I'm not against trading Tom, think people would think i am because i defend him so much, it's mainly the fact he's so overhated which just frustrates me, and so often people don't appreciate what he's good at and instead nitpick at what he isn't. And also don't look at the reasons behind it.

I'd look at trades, but it completely depends on what we get, would we get what is worth enough? Because we know he's still a very good player, he could still be in the brownlow race if we put him in the middle constantly. But again, what's he worth and what would we let him go for?

 

[Sixpence]

You think i didn't rewatch normal games? you don't know me at all HA

AFL hasn't made it easy to watch old games, so no, I don't think you've rewatched many non-finals games from Lewis' career.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

AFL hasn't made it easy to watch old games, so no, I don't think you've rewatched many non-finals games from Lewis' career.

Yeah it's ****ing hard to find old games, i'll tell you that. But i do it because it not only helps me personally but it is fun.

I went and watched the 2007 elim the other day purely because i think we can be sort of comparable to that side soon, that's probably what our 2nd finals will look like in the next few years, whether we make and lose it in 2024 and do that in 2025?

 

[Ned Ryerson]

AFL hasn't made it easy to watch old games, so no, I don't think you've rewatched many non-finals games from Lewis' career.

Could be doing the old Name a Game service. If anywhere in the world still has a Brashs it would absolutely be in Tasmania.

 

[Howe Amazing]

The fact Chad is OOC has gone under the radar in the media I reckon. Personally I want him to stay and play in the midfield adds something different in there

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Clarko played Tom just as he did Sam really. Neither were asked to have accountability.

Sam's change in style from Clarko isn't just a big change for Tom, look at our half-backs this year... under Clarko it was the easiest position to play, we were ultra defensive and pushed a 7th back.

Under Sam, he want's one-on-on all over the ground... I don't think any of Impey, CJ, Day, Bramble or Scrimshaw are having better years this year to last tbh...

It will be great for them and us long term but.

Sam does not want one on ones all the time. A weak midfield demands this style.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

The fact Chad is OOC has gone under the radar in the media I reckon. Personally I want him to stay and play in the midfield adds something different in there

Chads injuries will not allow a midfield role

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Trust me, once we get a midfield, our back line will have the freedom to finally play one on one football.

At the moment, they are being bombarded with inside 50 entries. Our mids just allow this to happen. I am pointing the finger directly at our current stand in skipper & the brownlow medallist.

Our current Captain is Sis

 

[MJA33]

Just on Chad, I would say he would have a fairly big influence on Amon joining us.
So if that happens he isn’t going to be traded / pushed out and nor should he be. Give him a 2 year deal, he loves the club clearly and when he’s on the park is our most skilled player. Still has a lot left to give.

 

[Hodgey 15]

Could be doing the old Name a Game service. If anywhere in the world still has a Brashs it would absolutely be in Tasmania.

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Nope.
Brashs went long ago in Tassie.

 

[PenAndPaper]

3 x bnf says the coaches thought he was doing the right thing.

I don't disagree, just stating what a former captain of the club has said about him.