List Management - Trading and Delistings

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

How did you know I loved WHE? . Surely you didn't remember from last year?!

Maybe he has a list of everything that makes you stain your jimmies...

 

[100action]

How did you know I loved WHE? . Surely you didn't remember from last year?!

your last year's equivalent man love for Stringer was WHE. Pretty much many posts in the draft thread dreaming about landing WHE

 

[Igloo]

your last year's equivalent man love for Stringer was WHE. Pretty much many posts in the draft thread dreaming about landing WHE

Haha, yeah . Would be ecstatic if we could get him next year.

 

[fronkalicious]

How does WHE go in contact???

Done a little more asking around and im very keen to get Jacobs at 22. Good wraps on him. He'd be ideal off half-back with Howard on the other. Two quality, penetrating legs out of the back half. Roughie and Williams play as the 2 talls, talia as the Morris style shut-down guy and wood taking the dangerous smalls. That's the back 6 of the future in my eyes.

 

[GrandBlue]

Big no to Jacobs at 22. We recruited a lot of these rebounding defenders and a lot of them have shown good signs.

There will be a big slider available at 22, bookmark it.

 

[Dav1d]

Big no to Jacobs at 22. We recruited a lot of these rebounding defenders and a lot of them have shown good signs.

There will be a big slider available at 22, bookmark it.

You know someone will make the argument he is better at that role then whomever we have. But I agree they've shown good signs & would feel sick to my stomach if we let a young KPP or quick evasive type forward pass at 22

 

[Berankis]

Tom Clurey looks like a great Lake replacement

 

[fronkalicious]

Big no to Jacobs at 22. We recruited a lot of these rebounding defenders and a lot of them have shown good signs.

There will be a big slider available at 22, bookmark it.

Happy to have my mind changed grandblue, but who specifically do you have in mind?? For mine, Pearce is a massive question mark. Didn't really show me anything to excite me.

Wood isn't a good user of the footy nor decision maker. He is just not a running, set up guy from half-back.

Jj showed some signs, but is small small small. I dont want another harbrow style defensive liability back there. He has a future in the game, but I'm not sure what role at this point. Maybe a mid, maybe he develops his defensive side, or maybe he can become a small forward with Dahl, but at this stage is much prefer Jacobs back there.

 

[maddog37]

Tom Young ?

 

[Zgope1]

i rate pearce. love the guy

 

[GrandBlue]

Happy to have my mind changed grandblue, but who specifically do you have in mind?? For mine, Pearce is a massive question mark. Didn't really show me anything to excite me.

Wood isn't a good user of the footy nor decision maker. He is just not a running, set up guy from half-back.

Jj showed some signs, but is small small small. I dont want another harbrow style defensive liability back there. He has a future in the game, but I'm not sure what role at this point. Maybe a mid, maybe he develops his defensive side, or maybe he can become a small forward with Dahl, but at this stage is much prefer Jacobs back there.

Christian Howard, Jason Tutt, Daniel Pierce, Shaun Higgins, Tom Young, Patrick Veszpremi, Easton Wood and Jason Johannisen all capable of developing into good rebounding defenders for us if we play them there. I don't necessarily think being small equates to poor defending either, Aussie Jones and Chris Johnson were fairly small but they were excellent footballers.

 

[Distinctive_]

The story of Harbrow is interesting. Pick 27 in rookie draft. Played well, got an upgrade until he took a Big $$$$$ offer from GC. The compensation pick was an end of 1st round. That was then traded for Sherman. Sherman played only 1 or 2 good games before being delisted (mutual agreement thingy). So we come back to nothing. Like a gambling game.

Moral of the story ~ Don't eva do dat Again!!!

Sorry for being irrelavent but he popped into my head.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Christian Howard, Jason Tutt, Daniel Pierce, Shaun Higgins, Tom Young, Patrick Veszpremi, Easton Wood and Jason Johannisen all capable of developing into good rebounding defenders for us if we play them there. I don't necessarily think being small equates to poor defending either, Aussie Jones and Chris Johnson were fairly small but they were excellent footballers.

Disagree on Vez (tank far, far too small) and Wood (not great disposal; can't see him being a Murph-like rebounder), but the rest I agree with. I also think Austin can still develop into a very decent rebounder - good disposal, vision, and not slow.

 

[fronkalicious]

Tom Young ?

Youngs disposal is awful. Waste of a spot on the list in my opinion.

 

[Rookie]

I wouldn't take Jacobs at 22, but I'd definitely be chatting to him about entering the PSD, where we could pick him up for free.

22 is too high and he won't be there at 51, but as a freebie he is worth a spot on the list. Delisting Skinner may be required but it is not a bad outcome.

As much as I want Macrae, if we are going to take O'Rourke then I'd hope we pick Stringer (or maybe Mayes). Stringer's injury concerns aren't as worrying as Menzel's and let's be honest, it's hard to rate someone after dominant performances against Tasmania and NT. If he has played the whole season, his position may have moved up or down. Same argument could apply to Stringer, but I feel he would be more accurately rated by recruiters andrew of a injury risk.

A guy wih blistering pace and silky skills (Garlett, Simpson) would fill a need at 22, but there may be some highly rated talls that fall through to that pick.

 

[fronkalicious]

Christian Howard, Jason Tutt, Daniel Pierce, Shaun Higgins, Tom Young, Patrick Veszpremi, Easton Wood and Jason Johannisen all capable of developing into good rebounding defenders for us if we play them there. I don't necessarily think being small equates to poor defending either, Aussie Jones and Chris Johnson were fairly small but they were excellent footballers.

Howard - yep, I like him a lot and have him penned into one of the running back flank roles.

Tutt - has shown nothing so far. Can he defend? Can he win one on one contests? Can he make decisions under pressure? Can he deliver the ball under pressure? Can he get on the park??

Pearce - I want to like him. Chrissy grant loves him. But why? Someone sell me on him. I see a smallish back without elite speed or foot skills.

Higgins - hasn't looked comfy whenever he's played there and we need him forward and midfield. Won't play back there.

Young - cant kick. Don't think I've ever been less inspired/excited about a player joining the club.

Vez - kid can't run. Massive problem.

Wood - have said it a hundred times on here, but he's not a natural footballer at all. Decision making and disposal very iffy at times. Elite shut down guy in my opinion, but certainly not a Heath shaw/birchall/enright/yarran guy.

Jj - maybe. But needs to demonstrate he can genuinely shut down his man, and then make good decisions under pressure.

All in all I'm just not sold that we have another creative half back type on the list. Howard I love, but id have Jacobs over those guys.

 

[GrandBlue]

Disagree on Vez (tank far, far too small) and Wood (not great disposal; can't see him being a Murph-like rebounder), but the rest I agree with. I also think Austin can still develop into a very decent rebounder - good disposal, vision, and not slow.

Haven't seen enough of Vez but I remember he played a good game there this year against North early in the year.

Easton Wood may lack class but I think he will develop his kick over time. Will be a very good player.

 

[Dav1d]

Tom Clurey looks like a great Lake replacement

I loved him & Tanner Smith, Clurey can also play forward but I think Collingwood might snag him right before our pick

 

[Zgope1]

Howard - yep, I like him a lot and have him penned into one of the running back flank roles.

Tutt - has shown nothing so far. Can he defend? Can he win one on one contests? Can he make decisions under pressure? Can he deliver the ball under pressure? Can he get on the park??

Pearce - I want to like him. Chrissy grant loves him. But why? Someone sell me on him. I see a smallish back without elite speed or foot skills.

Higgins - hasn't looked comfy whenever he's played there and we need him forward and midfield. Won't play back there.

Young - cant kick. Don't think I've ever been less inspired/excited about a player joining the club.

Vez - kid can't run. Massive problem.

Wood - have said it a hundred times on here, but he's not a natural footballer at all. Decision making and disposal very iffy at times. Elite shut down guy in my opinion, but certainly not a Heath shaw/birchall/enright/yarran guy.

Jj - maybe. But needs to demonstrate he can genuinely shut down his man, and then make good decisions under pressure.

All in all I'm just not sold that we have another creative half back type on the list. Howard I love, but id have Jacobs over those guys.

I think Pearce has very few weaknesses to be honest. I think he has brilliant skills and he's tough in the contest. He shuts down his man and he's good in the air for a little fella.

JJ, very underrated in contested situations and is good at starting at his man and working from there.

Howard- i really like but i actually see him as a wingman, getting much better at staying around the nut and working for his own ball.

Vez, would be special if he had a tank, one pre season to have a look at him. Possibly could be one of the players Macca mentioned when he said "there are players important to our future that haven't worked hard enough for us so far"

Wood- i agree with you but if he's not the main man i think he'll be good enough, when he's in form he can break the lines and do enough with the pill, will never be elite with it but he has a long kick and he should become servicable by foot.

i would take Jacobs with 22 no worries so i do agree with you. i think people really overrate draft picks and the kid is a very safe option that again helps with our age demographic.

 

[Igloo]

Pearce - I want to like him. Chrissy grant loves him. But why? Someone sell me on him. I see a smallish back without elite speed or foot skills.

I like Pearce. He's really smart with his body positioning, and he's aggressive towards his opponent. He'll be a good defender I think.
He's got good skills, and he's got alright pace, just isn't really a "master" of anything.

 

[Igloo]

On Jacobs, I wouldn't take him with 22. He doesn't have good decision making, and his kicking has been really bad since he got drafted. He's a bit like Simon Buckley for me.

 

[GrandBlue]

Howard - yep, I like him a lot and have him penned into one of the running back flank roles.

Tutt - has shown nothing so far. Can he defend? Can he win one on one contests? Can he make decisions under pressure? Can he deliver the ball under pressure? Can he get on the park??

Pearce - I want to like him. Chrissy grant loves him. But why? Someone sell me on him. I see a smallish back without elite speed or foot skills.

Higgins - hasn't looked comfy whenever he's played there and we need him forward and midfield. Won't play back there.

Young - cant kick. Don't think I've ever been less inspired/excited about a player joining the club.

Vez - kid can't run. Massive problem.

Wood - have said it a hundred times on here, but he's not a natural footballer at all. Decision making and disposal very iffy at times. Elite shut down guy in my opinion, but certainly not a Heath shaw/birchall/enright/yarran guy.

Jj - maybe. But needs to demonstrate he can genuinely shut down his man, and then make good decisions under pressure.

All in all I'm just not sold that we have another creative half back type on the list. Howard I love, but id have Jacobs over those guys.

Not saying any of them are a sure thing, but they're all options, and considering how many of them we have, I'd much rather use pick 22 to fill a more pressing need. If we pass on a player like Garner or Simpson for Jacobs, I will be mad.

Also think you're selling Young a little short, every Collingwood player had trouble kicking the ball out of defense last year. Give him a chance first.

I loved him & Tanner Smith, Clurey can also play forward but I think Collingwood might snag him right before our pick

I think Clurey will go to the Dockers, certainly wouldn't think he's a chance of landing at pick 22 though. If he does, gotta take him in a heartbeat!

 

[adam10]

Running half-backs are a definite problem for me, especially depth wise.

I like Wood as a player and he showed against Collingwood that he has the ability to be a very good player. He's not going to be a Bob Murphy type player but he is solid size and we can match him up on players like Chapman/Goodes. Will be a good re-bounder but not the greatest sometimes because of skill level/decision making. I see Young as a back-up option to Wood.

Higgins and Vespa shouldn't be at HB, they should either be in the forward line or in Missy's case he can have a pinch-hit in the midfield.

Tutt and Howard don't have the defensive skills (yet anyway) to play in the backline, I think during the majority of the year these two will be fighting for a spot on the wing. I don't think any of them will make it across half back because I think they are more suited to a wing position.

JJ and Pearce are young and I think there is one spot available for one of the 2.

Still think we need to look to get Josh Toy.

 

[d0gs]

Didn't Hoskin-Elliot get BOG in the VFL grand final?

 

[Dav1d]

Didn't Hoskin-Elliot get BOG in the VFL grand final?

That is the one from Geelong, different one
Not even sure if they're related