Luke Beveridge

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Cuts his hair himself! No joke. Says he doesn't trust anyone else to cut it
 
Real like the Bev.
He's comes across as an old school type coach but obviously has a modern up to date footy brain and ideas.
Think he will be around for a while and he has a great young group to work with.

Good times ahead for the Doggies.
 
Here2tellyouwhy said:
Real like the Bev.
He's comes across as an old school type coach but obviously has a modern up to date footy brain and ideas.
Think he will be around for a while and he has a great young group to work with.

Good times ahead for the Doggies.
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Likewise with you guys and your coach. Will be even stronger next season when your defenders return
 

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A refreshing beveridge?
 
Norm De Guerre said:
Geelong supporters really need to calm down have a Beverage and get over the fact that their teams influence on how the game is now played has been usurped by that of Clarkson and Hawthorn. Its pretty obvious to me which brand of football has had the greater influence on our development and I'll give you a hint, its not the one that had us playing some of the least attractive football since Paul Roos and Ross Lyon took up coaching, leaving us stagnating to a point of player revolt.
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Not wanting to get in an argument about influences, but do you honestly believe that Bulldogs game style is more about precision (Hawthorn now) than risk taking (Geelong 07-10)?
 
Hoops said:
Not wanting to get in an argument about influences, but do you honestly believe that Bulldogs game style is more about precision (Hawthorn now) than risk taking (Geelong 07-10)?
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The ball movement looks more like Geelong, but it's more innovative than it seems. Not to say there wasn't a fair bit of thought in Geelongs movement. The media loves to dumb it done.

The dogs have figured something out about bringing the ball out of defence that even hawthorns struggling with ATM. I'd love to know how many times the dogs have kicked over the mark this season compared to other teams. Down the ground vision captures it beautifully. More to it than that though

Defensively though the dogs are a lot more like the Hawks than the cats of old
 
Hoops said:
Not wanting to get in an argument about influences, but do you honestly believe that Bulldogs game style is more about precision (Hawthorn now) than risk taking (Geelong 07-10)?
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I've always thought that Geelongs reign was based on dominating contested ball, but lets face it you guys dominated most aspects of the game. I was something that was certainly the central and probably only plank to McCartneys game plan, a game plan that many of your fellow supporters were only to keen to take credit for during his time with us. If you say that my assumption is incorrect, I'm ok with that and I'll happily bow to your obvious better knowledge on Geelongs game style. Anyway as you say its a discussion for another time.
 
I was a Macca supporter all the way, and was very reserved about Bevo's appointment, which was reminiscent of the Peter Rhode era (cheap as chips). Macca was good at instilling a defensive, contested game into the team, we needed that as previously we were good at attack but hopeless at defence, our ball coming out if the 50 was like a ping pong ball.

In his time at the club he put in stronger systems and processes than we had previously. Rich clubs like Hawthorn, Collingwood and even Geelong have more staff sharing the coaching and administration load. We have got by on unearthing exceptional talent, which usually gets poached to a richer club after a few years. (Some of us are worried about losing Dalrymple our recruiter).

However Macca lost the players, a coach needs to be many things including stern but also encouraging and motivational. Personally, I think like Rocket our under-funded club probably gave him too much work and the strain started to show.

In time we will remember Macca a bit more kindly, but at the moment he is associated in dogs mind with the humiliation of our captain walking out of the club and other loyal players ie Dahl talking about leaving.
 
Eargh, the thing that frustrates me is how people assume that defensive = contested, and that somehow Macca by emphasisng contested ball by default somehow was initiating a solid defensive gameplan at the same time.. They're completely different.

We might have tried to win contested ball, but not only does it not mean we were defensive, we the opposite happened, we sacrificed defence to be a good contested/stoppage team.

We had the worst marking % contested loss rate out of any team in the league, as last year our desire to win clearances and the contested ball meant that we were burnt when the ball went to the outside defensively. Whilst we were good at winning stoppages, forcing repeat stoppages and winning the contested ball, our ability to defend ball movement defensively was nothing short of terrible. In this regard, "defence" and "contested" are nothing alike.

One only has to look at games where we lost last year vs Carlton and Brisbane, two of the worst teams throughtout the year. We played Carlton the week after they lost to GWS (when they were still terrible) and Mick absolutely gave it to them during the week, forcing them to work hard and therfore helping their outside offensive ball movement. By the first quarter it was plainly obvious that they were running harder and working harder than us. As soon as we stopped winning contested ball (-16 in the game ) and losing stoppages (-2 in the game), and therefore forcing the game into a contested slog, we got absolutely destroyed by the oppositions ball movement offensively (and therefore our defence). Notwithstanding the fact that our key defence lineup was Tom Young, Tom Williams and Michael Talia that game, Casboult, Waite and Henderson took 21 marks between them (17 uncontested, which shows how we couldn't stop Carlton's ball movement). Henderson kicked 5 as well.

Similarily, our loss to Brisbane, at the bottom of the ladder at that time, was identical. As soon as we weren't winning clearances and contested ball (we were negative in both categories), we lost to a team with what was otherwise the worst offensive ball movement in the league. McCartney's lamented in the press conference after the game that how our players were getting "sucked into the stoppage/contested" but at the same time he didn't, to me, seem like he was taking responsibility as a coach for implementing a game plan which emphasised the importance of winning clearances and contested ball and therefore by extension encouraging players to get "sucked in" to contested situations which again by extension means that we get killed when the opposition takes it to the outside and initiates uncontested offensive ball movement, they get killed because they've all been sucked into the contested.

What has this got to with Bev? Because people, both Dogs and non-Dogs supporters, seem to be attributing the fact we have a good defence (with players Wood in All-Australian form) to the development of a contested game plan by McCartney, and not only do they have nothing alike, but Bev's improvments on defence have nothing to do with his tactics regarding contested ball or stoppages. Bev's improved our defence by committing less players to the stoppage and putting less emphasis on it (but strangely, even with less emphasis on actually winning the contested ball, we're only marginally worse at it this year, and one could argue all of that can be attributed to losing the best pure contested player in the league in Libba) and initialising a defenisve system of high pressing and lock-it-in forward pressure - a completely different defensive system to the emphasis of wininng contested ball under McCartney. This forward press/pressure can get you burnt if the opposition go "over the top", but at the same time if you have great forward pressure players (like we do with Dahl, Tory Dickson etc), and a zone defence full of mobile, athletic players being able to switch positions (like we do with Wood, Johannisen, Hamling) as well as other players with a smart "footy IQ" to read the play well to play in a zone (like we do with players like Roberts, Murphy and Boyd) it can be a very, very effective defensive system. And one that is completely independent of the contested mantra that McCartney instilled into the team.

TL;DR:
McCartney shouldn't get credit because his contested =/= defensive because emphasising contested meant we got burnt with opposition uncontsted ball movement, and Bev is god and his defence system is godly because he's utilising a completely unrelated defensive mechanisim of high forward press and zone defence.
 

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Any bloke who can take a C grade amateur team to A grade premiers in 3 years, with almost the same squad can coach!...He knows the game & he knows how to get the best out of each player & what role suits their game best....And, he instills belief.
 
DaVillaBlues said:
Wow, what an absolutely brilliant appointment by the Doggies, instilled a toughness and pressure into a (previously) talented, but somewhat timid playing group ..

I know the Dogs copped some heat for sacking McCartney and their off-field turmoil last season, but they look like such a rejuvenated footy club.

Congrats Dogs fans, you're on a winner with 'The Drink' as your new coach:)
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how did I miss this thread at the time haha
 
threenewpadlocks said:
Eargh, the thing that frustrates me is how people assume that defensive = contested......
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Nailed it in one. We conceded more scores from turnovers than every team except the baby Giants last year, primarily because BMac taught our players nothing except trying to win the contested ball, and the opposition would structure up to intercept the (always) rushed kick out of the stoppage and punish us with interest time and time again.

Pretty tired of ex Geelong sycophants like Ling constantly refer to the "great platform" laid by BMac for our improved output in 2015. Our game style is nothing like 2012-2014, and our playing personnel is far worse on paper from 2014 to this year. And yet Bevo has completely transformed the game plan, and with a vastly less experienced playing group no less.
 
threenewpadlocks said:
Bev's improved our defence by committing less players to the stoppage and putting less emphasis on it (but strangely, even with less emphasis on actually winning the contested ball, we're only marginally worse at it this year, and one could argue all of that can be attributed to losing the best pure contested player in the league in Libba)
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We certainly commit less players to the stoppage but we're still excellent at getting in and under, winning the hard ball and all those other football cliches. How much of that is due to McCartney is hard to tell. Joel Corey and Steven King are still coaching midfield & stoppages at the club.

I think that the work ethic Bev has instilled across the board is just as important.No-one wants to let their teammates down at the stoppage or anywhere else. We have a massive appetite for the ball.

I remember a soccer commentator once lauding a player for being a 'hard worker' and another pundit countered by saying 'hard work? hard work is the very least you'd expect from a professional.'

I could work super hard at stoppages and probably get quite good at it but I'd never be professional footy player. To do that you need skill, speed, accuracy, flair and all the other stuff we love about footy. Bev innately understands that. I'm not sure McCartney ever did.
 
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