The Luke Jackson trade.

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WillHayward said:
Ok but you are 2 and zip this season with Jackson as the Ruck and you sucked last year with them as a duo.

So not sure it's that simple to say it's just the media and Freo fans know best. There is some correlation. May not be causation but it's a genuine discussion point.
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Can’t you remember round 9 last year @ the scg??
Darcy 44 H/O 18d 14 contested 9cl
7 score inv
Jackson 17d 10 contested 7 marks
3 goals
Treacy 14d 8 score inv 6 marks
2 goals
Darcy 24yr
Jackson 21yr
Treacy 20yr
 
Piggy Smalls said:
This is ridiculously simplistic. There are a multitude of reasons our form is looking better than last season beyond just Jackson being in the ruck.

The immovable object Fyfe is back in the middle

Hayden Young is on the ball

Serong has gone to a new level

Josh Treacy has improved and is impacting all over the ground

We are taking the game on.

I could go on.
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Can you read?

I said the opposite. I said it's not causation . Do you know what that means?

I then said it's a genuine point of discussion.

Seems pretty clear Freo fans are unable to have a rational conversation about this issue.
 
MadMundy said:
Most of these watchers don't actually watch, they listen to what media pundits say and take it as gospel because most of them don't actually watch Fremantle.

We watch every week, we know Darcy and Jackson are better as a duo. Like I said, people just parrot what they hear in the media.
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A lot of us do actually watch more than just our own team believe it or not
 

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WillHayward said:
Can you read?

I said the opposite. I said it's not causation . Do you know what that means?

I then said it's a genuine point of discussion.

Seems pretty clear Freo fans are unable to have a rational conversation about this issue.
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Was there really any need to be a condescending dick?
 
Piggy Smalls said:
Pure speculation on my behalf but this is my take: Reading between the lines it seems maybe Acres lifted his standards noticeably in the last year of his contract and there was some concern from Freo that he would get comfortable again once he had a guaranteed base salary. The match payment were designed to keep him and his work rate honest.
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Fair view I think
 
The 747 said:
Seems most watchers think Jackson is a better prospect as the main ruck. For some reason Freo supporters are convinced he is not.
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It's because the freakish things he does is when he's not rucking. Therefore he just needs to be where the ball is, not necessarily in the ruck.
WillHayward said:
Ok but you are 2 and zip this season with Jackson as the Ruck and you sucked last year with them as a duo.

So not sure it's that simple to say it's just the media and Freo fans know best. There is some correlation. May not be causation but it's a genuine discussion point.
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We also won three games in a row from round 8-10 in 2023 before Darcy got injured in the 2nd quarter vs the demons in the 4th game. We also won that game since we had Jackson ruck for the rest of it rather than a part timer.

There is space in the team for both of them and it will offer us great flexibility. While our team gets better and so does Jackson, it's worth while experimenting and having both. If in the future it's not the case then we can always trade Darcy but that would be years away and I don't think it will happen. Both in the side would be a nightmare for opposition coaches if Jackson can become A grade in multiple positions.
 
Purple Suit said:
It's because the freakish things he does is when he's not rucking. Therefore he just needs to be where the ball is, not necessarily in the ruck.
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I am pretty sure you won't agree with this but I doubt I am alone in holding his opinion:

Jackson's value and potential is because he can do those freakish things while playing in the ruck.
 
WillHayward said:
Ok but you are 2 and zip this season with Jackson as the Ruck and you sucked last year with them as a duo.

So not sure it's that simple to say it's just the media and Freo fans know best. There is some correlation. May not be causation but it's a genuine discussion point.
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I would have thought a Sydney supporter would be the last person to say Swaggy and Dogger made us suck when they played together. Our game against you last year, when they rucked together, was a rare high spot for us and they kind of belted your mob up. The dream was actually realised.

The substance of the argument that Jackson is better without Darcy is flawed. Because it's based only on observation of games without Darcy. With Darcy and Jackson, you get the best parts of Jacko - insane follow-up, mobile marking target, great goal sense - without having to bother with the bit where he gets beaten by larger number 1 rucks.

So, for example, in the first half of our last game, where Xerri had the better of Jackson and we were getting pumped at clearance, you would have Xerri struggling to even shift Swaggy, more centre clearances going to a forward line with Jackson in it, stretching the Norths backline thinner than a Pommy lead guitarist. Then, when it's time for number 2 rucks to get to work, Jackson is immeasurably better than anyone else going around.

It just seems like more.
 
MadMundy said:
Should be Round 4, so hopefully only one more game without him.
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That could be a poison chalice potentially, I'm not sure they will work together seamlessly, as Darcy doesn't have another position it will push Jackson to a part time ruck where he's been so good there full time.
 
The reason Jackson has been so good as #1 ruck is because he just is so good.

It sounds simplistic but it's the truth. It's not that his best position is the ruck, it's that he is starting to really dominate games, and he will continue to do so no matter his position. Currently, that position is the ruck.

Theoretically, if Alex Pearce got injured, and in a moment of desperation we sent Jackson to full back, where he started to blanket key forwards, would we then worry what to do with Alex Pearce when he returned?

Obviously not. Pearce comes in, and Jackson is freed up again to do as he pleases.
 
Not looking like an awful trade now that some people said.

still overpriced for a ruck but now seems like a big cog in the freo team.

I would be trading Sean Darcy now they look much sleek when Jackson rucks solo.
 

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The Feeder Club said:
Reading everyone saying you only need one top notch ruckman at a time on your team is like everyone saying you only need one top notch pr0n star at a time sucking your wang - you think that, until you have two of them working in tandem.
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Why didn’t the other Freo supporters explain it like this.

Convinced.
 
The Feeder Club said:
Reading everyone saying you only need one top notch ruckman at a time on your team is like everyone saying you only need one top notch pr0n star at a time sucking your wang - you think that, until you have two of them working in tandem.
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I had to log in and acknowledge this as the best post ever 😂😂😂
 
Piggy Smalls said:
Like many have said it may be a discussion point but until Darcy comes back and we see the result it’s not really a discussion worth having IMO.
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The one thing that’s not being factored into any of these discussions is the impact of the new ruck rules on Darcy’s performance as a ruck. From the small sample we saw in pre-season (vs Eagles in the scratchie and for just over a quarter against Port before he got injured) there is a chance we call the new ruck rules the ‘Darcy rule’ in a couple of years. He won every contest and some of his tap work was sublime.

So I’m with you - it’s a wait and see until Darcy is fit before jumping to any hot takes about trading Darcy out.

At the moment I’m putting it in the ‘nice problem to have’ basket because the only scenario that doesn’t hugely benefit Freo is if we blindly persevere with both in the side when it’s not working.

But - as some have pointed out - Melbourne won a flag with Gawn and Jackson in the side. I’m assuming the Freo coaches have watched games from that year to work out how to get the best of Dogga in a two ‘ruck’ lineup.
 
It is possible that medium/long term our balance is better without Darcy. I think there's a balance of the two that's better than just Jackson but we have to find it.

It's worth having an extended look at the combination because even if it is not optimal, trading Darcy wouldn't be difficult and we'd still get a decent return for him.
 
Priddis Is Done said:
At $900k over 7 years.

Thats reserved for the upper echelon of superstars

He's on a hiding to nothing and locals will run him out of town.

The guys on a train to mental health breakdown.
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😂😂

How many times can one poster be so wrong?
But hey keep throwing those darts bud

As for the bolded well It’s looking like it ll most aptly apply to one Harley Reid

:$
 

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