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Confess I haven't followed Jackson till very recently, so haven't seen much to get excited about. Can someone suggest 3 or 4 games I should watch that showcase his talent?
List Mgmt. Luke Jackson - Yay or Nay?
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I admit the same. I've only really watched his games against Freo. He didn't set the world on fire but that was just two games this year.
I'd just like the club to do their due diligence and I'll go with that. But no stupid 5-7 years contracts. We all know how those work out.
Shades of the Hogan trade though in draft capital - Jackson seems to have his head in a better space but I hope we do our due diligence before we bring him in. if it’s true he has been playing carrying an injury, the asking price seems to be too high (although this may be ptsd from all the forward lemons we’ve traded in over the years).
Jackson will be under intense scrutiny and pressure from WA media from day dot, so I hope the club takes a really hard look at whether he has the capacity to perform in that environment.
It’s still falling towards a no from me.
Highlighted is significant.
Difference is where our picks have been. We’ve been nailing top 10s - a couple of pick 14s have a much greater chance of failure
I’m sorry but no way that is happeningNot my idea:
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Not if we are in finals contention. Sure if we are bottom 8 then it’s a hard
sell.
Jackson is worth the same money easily as what Lobb was on.
I’d offer a 5year deal, at close to 4m. the perfect amount of time and incentive.
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From what I have watched he is a moment's player currently, you see moments where you go wow or get a glimpse of where he is building towards.
The common game that gets brought up is Round 15 against Brisbane but I only watched his "highlights" for that match and it shows a lot of tapping it to the Brisbane players advantage or turning the ball over so it didn't impress me.
I liked what I saw from him in the Round 22 and 23 matches.
I’m a big yes on Jackson, still so much upside, think he plays CHF for freo in the coming years. Has the tank to get up and back, can take a mark. He’s probably not going to be a 50 goal a year forward but I think he’s perfect to play that link up player coming out of defence
We're not the Eagles, if he doesn't play well, he'll cop it in the media.
He's playing like a 400k player this year. He can at least sustain playing like a 600k player for a season or two before I'd give him 800k.
Big O was at least as good that day, if not better. It was a ruck shootout.
I think if you want to use that game as a Jackson ad, put it forward for why he should be a mid. He hunts the ball well.
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Yes.
I don’t believe we’re paying him as much as reported and I trust Bell and co not to sell the farm.
I don’t believe we’re paying him as much as reported and I trust Bell and co not to sell the farm.
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He’s not a need but happy to have him I’m ok with the draft capital (22,23 first rd picks) what I’m not happy about is reported contract value.
Paying over 700k for a back up ruck seem ludicrous.
McDonald georgiadies and zuurhar will all be looking for a big payday over the next couple years.
It would really suck if we lose lobb tab and Treacy doesn’t come on over the next few years and one of the above become available but we can’t fit them in because we are using
1.4million+ on ruckman.
Paying over 700k for a back up ruck seem ludicrous.
McDonald georgiadies and zuurhar will all be looking for a big payday over the next couple years.
It would really suck if we lose lobb tab and Treacy doesn’t come on over the next few years and one of the above become available but we can’t fit them in because we are using
1.4million+ on ruckman.
I think we have some leverage due to Jackson wanting in rather than being
Poached.
But he’d get at least 500k a year to stay at Melbourne, so a 600k minimum
sounds like the starting point.
4 year deal at least gives all parties peace of mind.
Each to their own, I wouldn't pay a cent over 500k until he's actually good. He clearly wants to come home so I fail to see why we have to pay more than the Dees anyway.
This makes him sound to me like a Taberner replacement rather than the Lobb replacement he's likely to be. Which is more than enough to turn me from a Nay to Yay. I think Lobb is crucial to our rise this year. Don't want to lose him.
If there is one position I am almost positive he doesn't become A grade in, its at CHF. Hands aren't good enough and doesn't have the smarts or kicking for it.
I don't mind the wing call if his tank is up to it but I think he's either a ruck or KPD long term.
I don't mind the wing call if his tank is up to it but I think he's either a ruck or KPD long term.
That's a long way short of what is generally suggested he has been offered. Indeed if Lobb's salary was the ballpark there would be little hesitation as well as little need to hesitate about other contracts. The money would already be in our forward budgets for Lobb.
It really looks like we are working to free up a significant amount. And that's despite the opportunity to negotiate a much lower contract for Fyfe.
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The person looking for a game to assess Jackson on should take a squizzy at this game last year between Melbourne and the Western Bulldogs. Might have heard of it. Pretty big news at the time. Perhaps fast-forward to the third quarter.
Look, if it's a straight Jackson for Lobb replacement, then you'd hope what we lose in forward output we gain in centre square dominance. So a bit speculative.
If it's as another ruck who plays as a more mobile foil to Bubba Darcy and who effectively becomes a fourth midfielder with good groundwork and link-up agility, I'd actually say Meek can already bring that and costs a heap less. So you'd question return on investment.
But if it's as an impact player with boundless heart and an appetite for destruction - a hope machine who fits right in our demographic and plans for kicking arse for the next 5 to 7 years - well, yeah. You're not getting another Luke Jackson with your first round pick this draft or next.
My hope is that he's the mirror-image Jeff White.
Look, if it's a straight Jackson for Lobb replacement, then you'd hope what we lose in forward output we gain in centre square dominance. So a bit speculative.
If it's as another ruck who plays as a more mobile foil to Bubba Darcy and who effectively becomes a fourth midfielder with good groundwork and link-up agility, I'd actually say Meek can already bring that and costs a heap less. So you'd question return on investment.
But if it's as an impact player with boundless heart and an appetite for destruction - a hope machine who fits right in our demographic and plans for kicking arse for the next 5 to 7 years - well, yeah. You're not getting another Luke Jackson with your first round pick this draft or next.
My hope is that he's the mirror-image Jeff White.
So our plan for 800k a year and two first rounders is hope?
You don't drop top dollar on hope, you drop top dollar on quality and more importantly, quality that actually fits with what you need.
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I thought he had more of the SS. Storm trooper look
I've said elsewhere here I reckon he's a square peg for a round hole for us. I just don't see where his best fit is for us. What need he fills.
Others have been saying that he's talented, he wants in, so therefore you bring him in. Well by that argument, we should have brought Lachie Neale back in last year. But we didn't because the price was high and he didn't fill a need for us. I see this as similar.
Look, if he comes (as is likely) I'll back him in and I'll likely be excited by the prospect. But I am nervous about losing Lobb, and with Taberner close to cooked, it's our KPF depth that needs sorting. And Jackson is no KPF IMHO.
Others have been saying that he's talented, he wants in, so therefore you bring him in. Well by that argument, we should have brought Lachie Neale back in last year. But we didn't because the price was high and he didn't fill a need for us. I see this as similar.
Look, if he comes (as is likely) I'll back him in and I'll likely be excited by the prospect. But I am nervous about losing Lobb, and with Taberner close to cooked, it's our KPF depth that needs sorting. And Jackson is no KPF IMHO.
Agree with most but prefer him over Lachie just because of the ~8 year age gap. Then again, Neale is quality, Jackson only might be. Probably still Jackson.
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You'll notice I haven't voted.
Freo sell hope better than most. We have chased magic bullet/messiah types forever. We are addicted to the idea that getting in this one bloke will turn it all around.
Weirdly, if that's what's going on here, we are chasing completely the wrong bloke in Jackson. We don't need what he brings - unless it's as a forward/ruck replacement for Lobb and then the forward part of the equation just isn't there with him alone.
(I do see that Bubba and Jackson can rotate through that role. Bubba's no forward but he will, on occasion, throw a backline into disarray and can mark and loves kicking a snagger. Jackosn too is no forward, but he too can wreck some backline set-ups but in a different way than Bubba.)
So, even more weirdly, that's why I am leaning to yay. He's not the messiah, he really is just a very naughty boy.
A toothless, springheeled, up-for-anything human labrador. Who will run all day. Who will tap it out in front of Slayshaw or Serong, then run alongside them for the one-two, just creating havoc and drive and momentum along the way.
He attacks an aerial contest armed not just with desperate athleticism in his leap, but confidence that when he hits the deck he's readier to go than anyone else.
And he's East Fremantle. Which means he's better than you.
Freo sell hope better than most. We have chased magic bullet/messiah types forever. We are addicted to the idea that getting in this one bloke will turn it all around.
Weirdly, if that's what's going on here, we are chasing completely the wrong bloke in Jackson. We don't need what he brings - unless it's as a forward/ruck replacement for Lobb and then the forward part of the equation just isn't there with him alone.
(I do see that Bubba and Jackson can rotate through that role. Bubba's no forward but he will, on occasion, throw a backline into disarray and can mark and loves kicking a snagger. Jackosn too is no forward, but he too can wreck some backline set-ups but in a different way than Bubba.)
So, even more weirdly, that's why I am leaning to yay. He's not the messiah, he really is just a very naughty boy.
A toothless, springheeled, up-for-anything human labrador. Who will run all day. Who will tap it out in front of Slayshaw or Serong, then run alongside them for the one-two, just creating havoc and drive and momentum along the way.
He attacks an aerial contest armed not just with desperate athleticism in his leap, but confidence that when he hits the deck he's readier to go than anyone else.
And he's East Fremantle. Which means he's better than you.
I can't understand how any can acknowledge that Jackson isn't a list need and still think it is a good idea.
There is a salary cap
We have limited trade capital
We have an ordinary forward line
The Dees are the exception to the rule for premiership teams have two "quality" rucks
There are other factors I can't be assed with
I feel like it can't be done without speculating another position for Jackson and/or appealing to a feeling or the vibe. That's not to say its not right, but that's a terrible way to make decisions.
There is a salary cap
We have limited trade capital
We have an ordinary forward line
The Dees are the exception to the rule for premiership teams have two "quality" rucks
There are other factors I can't be assed with
I feel like it can't be done without speculating another position for Jackson and/or appealing to a feeling or the vibe. That's not to say its not right, but that's a terrible way to make decisions.
