List Mgmt. Luke Jackson - Yay or Nay?

[Bigger]

I 100% agree.

But, f~ck me, tell me you aren't a little bit giddy about the prospect of one of ours wanting to come home? Tell me you didn't want that big beautiful Melville bastard in purple after seeing him streaming out of the centre square of Optus, just dragging Melbourne out of their 50+ year premiership drought with enthusiasm and fire and the intoxicating allure of illogical belief?

 

[Joao]

I 100% agree.

But, f~ck me, tell me you aren't a little bit giddy about the prospect of one of ours wanting to come home? Tell me you didn't want that big beautiful Melville bastard in purple after seeing him streaming out of the centre square of the G, just dragging Melbourne out of their 50+ year premiership drought with enthusiasm and fire and the intoxicating allure of illogical belief?

Me?

Not even a little bit. I suspect there is a good chance that I am underrating Jackson given how many people do rate him, but I struggle to think of a hyped player I am less impressed by.

 

[Nodgey]

It's the price. I'd pay the purported price (probably more) for say a King or Charlie Curnow

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Charlie Curnow

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13.3

3star

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9.7

4star

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3.6

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5.3

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2.2

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1.3

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10.8

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6.4

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4.4

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3.2

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1.6

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0.8

4star

or McKay or Naughton. A dominant KPF is the final piece of the puzzle. As much as I love Amiss and Treacy, they are a few years from it yet.

 

[salim malik]

Ffs Jackson is a 20 year old tall that tore a GF apart. He is a good citizen, no dramas about him
Jackson is at least a 10 year proposition. Jackson could definitely play key forward.
A young key forward with unlimited potential that can pinch hit in the ruck.
If he is gettable grab him. Its a big fat yay from me.

 

[Demons09]

Didn't the Dee’s just win a GF with an ordinary fwd line the other grand finalist also had a ordinary fwd line, the Dee’s destroyed Geelong by 80 points in a prelim last year with Hawkins and Cameron the midfield is where the game is won these days , the point of difference for me is a quality small fwd and they’re not easy to find hopefully we are in Motlops ear.

If a talent like Jackson wants to cone to Freo and be second ruck and strengthen our midfield even more i’m all for it especially if its only two low first rounders involved, posters need to get over their PSTD over the Lyon/Rosich days of the messiah trades like Hogan since then Bell/Walls hasn’t put a foot wrong and I’ll back them in.

 

[Demons09]

It's the price. I'd pay the purported price (probably more) for say a King or Charlie Curnow or McKay or Naughton. A dominant KPF is the final piece of the puzzle. As much as I love Amiss and Treacy, they are a few years from it yet.

Its working out for them well.

 

[Joao]

Didn't the Dee’s just win a GF with an ordinary fwd line the other grand finalist also had a ordinary fwd line, the Dee’s destroyed Geelong by 80 points in a prelim last year with Hawkins and Cameron the midfield is where the game is won these days , the point of difference for me is a quality small fwd and they’re not easy to find hopefully we are in Motlops ear.

If a talent like Jackson wants to cone to Freo and be second ruck and strengthen our midfield even more i’m all for it especially if its only two low first rounders involved, posters need to get over their PSTD over the Lyon/Rosich days of the messiah trades like Hogan since then Bell/Walls hasn’t put a foot wrong and I’ll back them in.

Bailey Fritsch kicked like 60 goals last year and 6 in the GF. Lobb is our best with like 40.

Not only that, but I can counter with however many GF or Premiers who had an abundance of forward talent. 2019,20 Tigers, Hawks x 4, Geelong x 3, West Coast just from the last 15 years.

 

[Demons09]

Bailey Fritsch kicked like 60 goals last year and 6 in the GF. Lobb is our best with like 40.

Not only that, but I can counter with however many GF or Premiers who had an abundance of forward talent. 2019,20 Tigers, Hawks x 4, Geelong x 3, West Coast just from the last 15 years.

Bailey Fritz isn’t a key forward though great third tall, Geelong haven’t won a GF for ten years Dusty has been the difference in GF with three Norm Smiths , we were 4th till the last 5 mins of the season with an ordinary fwd line the team in 4th and third positions have ordinary fwd lines the game has changed a lot even in the last couple of years , i really hope we can get Jackson and keep Lobb as well as i said I’ll back Bell and Walls to not **** this up.

 

[Joao]

Bailey Fritz isn’t a key forward though great third tall, Geelong haven’t won a GF for ten years Dusty has been the difference in GF with three Norm Smiths , we were 4th till the last 5 mins of the season with an ordinary fwd line the team in 4th and third positions have ordinary fwd lines the game has changed a lot even in the last couple of years , i really hope we can get Jackson and keep Lobb as well as i said I’ll back Bell and Walls to not * this up.

It doesn't matter what type of forward he is, what matters is that he is a quality forward. We have a distinct lack of goal kickers. Jackson is not this and reduces our ability to recruit these players.

The fact that were almost 4th is a testament to our defence and midfield, not an excuse to continue to ignore the forwardline. With that defence and midfield, imagine what position we'd finish with even an average (remember we are bottom 6 attack) or top 8 standard forwardline.

 

[mike91]

Yeah but your happy either way, I’m talking the mike91 and Joao of the world.

Yeah mate, I'd 100% be more comfortable with it if Lobb stayed.

 

[Demons09]

It doesn't matter what type of forward he is, what matters is that he is a quality forward. We have a distinct lack of goal kickers. Jackson is not this and reduces our ability to recruit these players.

The fact that were almost 4th is a testament to our defence and midfield, not an excuse to continue to ignore the forwardline. With that defence and midfield, imagine what position we'd finish with even an average (remember we are bottom 6 attack) or top 8 standard forwardline.

Look i’d love to have a Curnow, Mckay or a Fritz but they just aren’t a available and our draft hand isn’t good enough to land the those type of fwds is their even that type of talent in this or next years draft?

Agree to disagree but to get away with using two low firsts for Jackson is a steal and will be a great player for the FFC.

 

[Joao]

Look i’d love to have a Curnow, Mckay or a Fritz but they just aren’t a available and our draft hand isn’t good enough to land the those type of fwds is their even that type of talent in this or next years draft?

Agree to disagree but to get away with using two low firsts for Jackson is a steal.

I don't know what forward quality is in this draft or the next. What I do know is we are much more likely to find it using those top 20 picks on forwards than not.

Agree to disagree, I don't think Jackson is a steal at all. When considering the salary its at best worth it in the long run or at worst, terrible overs.

 

[freo1997]

The Media will place a heap of pressure on Jackson.

 

[freo1997]

There was next to no pressure on guys like Brodie, Aish, Clark, Acres etc

But everytime we’ve brought in a KP player the wa media always hounds them. If you’re a KPP and a household name watch out.

 

[Taylor]

I think the media will lose interest quickly if there's nothing there for them. I do expect there to be articles about whether Jackson has been worth it but it will be because West Coast has lost nine games in a row.

 

[gungho]

There was next to no pressure on guys like Brodie, Aish, Clark, Acres etc

But everytime we’ve brought in a KP player the wa media always hounds them. If you’re a KPP and a household name watch out.

Something tells me luke jackson might possess a different temperament to Jesse Hogan.

 

[salim malik]

Yeah mate, I'd 100% be more comfortable with it if Lobb stayed.

Lobb is 30 with minimum good years left .and nil growth.
Jackson is 20 and years left in front of him and unlimited growth.
Nice if Lobb stays but Jackson is the future.
If it means Lobb leaves to facilitate the Jackson trade so be it.

 

[ignoramus]

He’s probably not going to be a 50 goal a year forward

Just as well: it would ruin the Freo brand to have a 60+ goal kicking KPF.

I don't mind the wing call if his tank is up to it but I think he's either a ruck or KPD long term.

Interesting you say this, given what I proposed elsewhere about Logue on the wing, because I'm really starting to see the choice as being Jackson v Logue rather than Jackson v Lobb.

 

[Joao]

Just as well: it would ruin the Freo brand to have a 60+ goal kicking KPF.


Interesting you say this, given what I proposed elsewhere about Logue on the wing, because I'm really starting to see the choice as being Jackson v Logue rather than Jackson v Lobb.

I'd prefer to try Jackson there just on account of his natural ball winning which I don't think Logue has demonstrated. That said, I'd be somewhat surprised if that is what we had planned or what Jackson would be happy with given the noise is he wants to ruck.

 

[Bigger]

If it's Jackson v Logue (which is actually something I can see) we are still needing to replace Lobb.

 

[Joao]

If it's Jackson v Logue (which is actually something I can see) we are still needing to replace Lobb.

Regardless of where Jackson spends his majority, he can still be the 2nd ruck so I think Tabs coming back or Treacy are the Lobb replacement from our current side.

I said this to snuff somewhere, but the one way I can see Jackson working as a forward is if he plays with Amiss and Treacy. Treacy is already elite at defensive pressure and Amiss is quick. Given Jackson is 10x the pressure player Lobb is, it would be almost like playing 6 smalls from a pressure POV. As long as we honour the leads of Amiss and Treacy and only bomb to Jackson if we have to, it could be highly effective.

Knowing what JL seems to value, this is my best guess as to his plans for Jackson.

It won't work as well with Tabs in there for obvious reasons but you can probably get away with replacing one of the talls with him.

 

[Bigger]

Well, you've convinced me.

Sign the lad up.

 

[Joose]

I want Jackson but not if the club has to get rid of 4 good players to get him.

We have to be reasonable here. If it was Jackson in and Lobb out..go for it. If it was both Lobb and Logue then you would need to think long and hard.
If it was Lobb, Logue AND Acres then GTFO

 

[FDH16]

I can't understand how any can acknowledge that Jackson isn't a list need and still think it is a good idea.

There is a salary cap
We have limited trade capital
We have an ordinary forward line
The Dees are the exception to the rule for premiership teams have two "quality" rucks
There are other factors I can't be assed with

I feel like it can't be done without speculating another position for Jackson and/or appealing to a feeling or the vibe. That's not to say its not right, but that's a terrible way to make decisions.

Jackson would come in, and immediately be our most valuable tall forward if he was acquired.

 

[rgauci]

Jackson would come in, and immediately be our most valuable tall forward if he was acquired.

Amiss is going at 2 goals a game, just turned 19 years old and a former pick 8. Don’t know about that.