List Mgmt. Luke Jackson - Yay or Nay?

[FDH16]

Snuff isn't alone that opinion. I will say the 18 goals you quote is a soft stat. He had one good game against Brissie where he got almost 25% of those in 1 half plus a brace against North in a game we wasted some potential (and in form at that stage) Sturt development and picked the plodder instead. He got another 4 throughout the year from taking the advantage from other peoples free kicks - he also missed 2 where he did that and missed when the free was in a very good spot. He became selfish as his place in the team bounced in and out and his defensive work - notionally what he's there for - is below average by any measure and the eye test.

No matter how good a bloke he is, I'm astonished we gave him 2 years. There's no other team coming after Banfield so year by year would've been fine for a guy who's handy depth that should be pushed down the rung on our list each year. Its highly possible in the last year of that deal he's not top 35 on our list anymore. I'm sure he's cheap so its not a big deal at all. He's not in my top 30 on the list now but I know that's seen as a harsh view around these parts and this isn't the thread for that chat anyway.

Money talks, if you know what I mean.

 

[se17enteen]

I'm not the one making outrageous claims like Banfield had a better year than Walters. He wasnt excited about Banfield, he's just trying to put the boot into Walters. it's his thing about our club legends

I am excited about Banfield. He plays his role and his salary reflects that (the guy is on match payments).

You reckon Walters the last 3 years reflect his salary??


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[Snuffaluphagus]

I am excited about Banfield. He plays his role and his salary reflects that (the guy is on match payments).

You reckon Walters the last 3 years reflect his salary??


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I think effectively tying a players entire value against what they get paid is a weird and simplistic view.

Walters last three years clearly arent reflective of his salary if the 750k is remotely accurate (I personally doubt but whatever) but what about the years he outperformed his salary? We can get a team full of Banfields, have a 90% of the cap leftoever and never win a game

 

[malpaso]

I am excited about Banfield. He plays his role and his salary reflects that (the guy is on match payments).

You reckon Walters the last 3 years reflect his salary??


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Poor evaluation. For starters, Walters brings alot to the table for the club on and off field.

 

[fnerd]

I am excited about Banfield. He plays his role and his salary reflects that (the guy is on match payments).

You reckon Walters the last 3 years reflect his salary??


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The way you slag off about Fyfe and walters ad nauseam anyone would think your paying their wages .

You must be one miserable person .

 

[Footskill]

Snuff isn't alone that opinion. I will say the 18 goals you quote is a soft stat. He had one good game against Brissie where he got almost 25% of those in 1 half plus a brace against North in a game we wasted some potential (and in form at that stage) Sturt development and picked the plodder instead. He got another 4 throughout the year from taking the advantage from other peoples free kicks - he also missed 2 where he did that and missed when the free was in a very good spot. He became selfish as his place in the team bounced in and out and his defensive work - notionally what he's there for - is below average by any measure and the eye test.

No matter how good a bloke he is, I'm astonished we gave him 2 years. There's no other team coming after Banfield so year by year would've been fine for a guy who's handy depth that should be pushed down the rung on our list each year. Its highly possible in the last year of that deal he's not top 35 on our list anymore. I'm sure he's cheap so its not a big deal at all. He's not in my top 30 on the list now but I know that's seen as a harsh view around these parts and this isn't the thread for that chat anyway.

What you on about. Most of his goals was from his own crumb and snaps not gifted. You take one example against Sydney, where he played on when he shouldn't and kicked a point. He has 8 goal assists to his name. Selfish huh.

His defensive like tackling is bit lacking, but more do with ability that should be worked on rather than through laziness or not willingness.

Think you blinded by your negativity if you think he shouldn't be in top 30 lol

 

[Footskill]

Poor evaluation. For starters, Walters brings alot to the table for the club on and off field.

Guess your evaluation must be more correct than the inner sanctum. As the article when they renewed his contract was pretty glowing in their assessment of him on and off the field

 

[Scham]

Jackson > Banfield

Can we bring it back to the topic, i.e. Jackson.

 

[raffrox]

It has to be yay now otherwise the cap space engineering that cost us a few has been even more of a waste.

 

[coldlunch]

was on the fence, but I'm a hard yay now.

 

[se17enteen]

The way you slag off about Fyfe and walters ad nauseam anyone would think your paying their wages .

You must be one miserable person .

1. I do pay their wages. I’m a member and have a Foxtel subscription.

2. Yes I am miserable. No premiership will do that.


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[nurries]

1. I do pay their wages. I’m a member and have a Foxtel subscription.

2. Yes I am miserable. No premiership will do that.


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Maybe give up your membership and let go…for your mental health

 

[arsesmart]

Kind of reduces the crucial value argument of our high draft picks, when two first selections are looking to walk out the door just at the end of their (highly injury hampered) development phases of their careers.

 

[salim malik]

I am excited about Banfield. He plays his role and his salary reflects that (the guy is on match payments).

You reckon Walters the last 3 years reflect his salary??


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Average players get Average contracts.
Good luck to Banfield but there is a reason for his low contract .

 

[Dale147]

Cornes on Jackson

 

[Ge3ks]

Cornes on Jackson

Come on Cornes. Weren't Melbourne gambling on 'potential' when they used pick 3 on a ruckman? I don't see how us using, arguably, less trade currency in two late firsts on the same now-proven/developed player is worse. Yes the money comes into it, but that's our business.

 

[Square Peg]

In other words Kane, it all depends on the price we pay. Which I think is what most sensible people have been saying.
It's nothing like the Kelly trade to be honest, that was a club trying to squeeze another flag out of a list that had won one. They overpaid to buff up a proven entity.
We've won **** all, what we have is potential driven by a bunch of young guns.
If we overpay and it goes bust it will be more akin to a reverse Weller trade, club is losing players it wants to keep and brings in a first rounder to compensate regardless of cost.
Jackson is very good, the challenge for Bell is to keep his nerve and walk away if needed. Pay too much and the coast we're closest to is gold not west.

 

[hoss]

Was all for getting Jackson but have shifted 180 degrees. Doesn't seem right. Firstly he doesn't nominate us, secondly, no way he's worth two first round draft picks. Walk away.

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[bushchook]

With two tall forwards the focus moves to our medium and small forwards to provide pressure and create goals. Jackson's role, like Mason Cox, is to take contested marks in the forwardline, bring the ball to ground so our smaller and medium forwards can get to work, take the attention of a KPD and chop out for Darcy in the ruck. (At the price we'll pay we'd obviously want Jackson to produce far more consistently than Cox does.)

The main question mark for me would be whether we'd favour Amiss or Taberner as our KPF. Taberner if fit will probably provide more for us now, but Amiss is the future and has been very promising in his last two games.

Amiss was worst on ground in the SF. Taberner is one of the best key forwards in the league. Amiss will be good with time but this is not a "question mark" at all. Taberner plays every game if he's fit.

Jackson is a ruckman and not a a forward. If he replaces Lobb in that role, our forward line becomes worse than it already is.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Amiss was worst on ground in the SF.

Taberner is one of the best key forwards in the league.

 

[bushchook]

Gifs are no substitute for a counterargument, something you don't have because both quotes are true.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Gifs are no substitute for a counterargument, something you don't have because both quotes are true.

I really dont want to have to spend 10 minutes explaining how those two statements are completely ridiculous. You're the one that said them, surely the onus is on you to demonstrate how those two statements are true. I would like 1 shred of evidence to suggest Amiss was worst on ground (I'll settle for you finding one other person that agree's with you) and that Tabs is in the best 10 KPF's in the league

 

[bushchook]

Amiss SF: 12 disposals, 2 marks, 0.0.

I really dont want to have to spend 10 minutes explaining how those two statements are completely ridiculous. You're the one that said them, surely the onus is on you to demonstrate how those two statements are true. I would like 1 shred of evidence to suggest Amiss was worst on ground (I'll settle for you finding one other person that agree's with you) and that Tabs is in the best 10 KPF's in the league

Stats, you're welcome.

 

[Square Peg]

Brandon Walker likes bushchook

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Amiss SF: 12 disposals, 2 marks, 0.0.


Stats, you're welcome.

Brandon Walker was so comfortably the worst on ground, it's not even funny. I wouldnt have Amiss bottom 5 worst Freo players but I dont need to make that argument since your sayiing he was worst on ground. By any metric, raw stats, using your eyes, advanced stats, Brandon Walker was the worst player in that game.

I'm not sure if your leaving the Tabs one on purpose but I would like a list of your top 10 KPFs in the league