News Maddy Prespakis and Georgia Gee request trade to Essendon & other possible player movements

[Metalcrusher]

I think it’s time for Halfie to go ……

 

[Accidental genius]

I think it’s time for Halfie to go ……

I think you are correct.

 

[branedotorg]

I think it’s time for Halfie to go ……

even if he's not the main reason players leave, i think it's time for a change

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Bad news, word on the street is Harf has signed on for another two seasons.

 

[WFGodot]

What the ...? How did you get hold of my PMs?

Oh, sorry, is this the passive aggressive teenagers board. My bad.

 

[Bostonian]

Nope - it’s nothing like that.

Ah yes, it's exactly like that.

Bush league footballer dates a netballer and one leaves and they both leave.

Same same.

Have witnessed it happening multiple times.

 

[agro]

Last time I looked it up, she'd signed on to 2022. But given that they're only contracted for 6 months of the year (one of DV's issues) I assume that means she's now out of contract, since the 2022 season is finished. I know there looks like being a second 2022 season, but that wouldn't have been factored in when they did that last contract.

Not going to happen unless they fall outside the top 8 of the draft. Those picks go to the 'stains and hawks. Then you've got, what, 5 more picks before our first pick?

More a hope than an expectation- but they are great young footballers and will make any club better.

 

[Jeremias]

Bad news, word on the street is Harf has signed on for another two seasons.

I don't see Harf as a bad coach at all. Looked good when we had the cattle, not so good when we didn't.

Am sure there are and have been some strained relationships, but that's no different to any coach in the history of sport.

 

[Bostonian]

AFLW is musical chairs at the end of every season.

Can’t help but feel the AFL is butchering this project.

Another expansion? Surely not.

There’s maybe 10 teams right now that could field a somewhat competitive side.

It's not really the AFL's fault.

When you have a bunch of Veruca Salts demanding they want it and they want it now any ability to set up a frame work and start the league in 5 years time after that point went out the door.

That at least would have given the league time to put money into grassroots football leagues and set up a much healthier start up position for the first season.

AFL was damned if they did and damned if they didn't.

 

[ferrisb]

Bad news, word on the street is Harf has signed on for another two seasons.

Confirmed.

Email from Sayers. Harf got two more years...

 

[SurreyBlue]

AFLW is musical chairs at the end of every season.

Can’t help but feel the AFL is butchering this project.

Another expansion? Surely not.

There’s maybe 10 teams right now that could field a somewhat competitive side.

Simple, not enough talent to cover for the current expansion, which has happened to quickly.
So yes, the AFL have not done this well and needed to stay strong against many teams, and time the expansions better.

 

[SurreyBlue]

It's not really the AFL's fault.

When you have a bunch of Veruca Salts demanding they want it and they want it now any ability to set up a frame work and start the league in 5 years time after that point went out the door.

That at least would have given the league time to put money into grassroots football leagues and set up a much healthier start up position for the first season.

AFL was damned if they did and damned if they didn't.

Incorrect. For instance, they can keep Tasmania out but not AFL teams from entering AFLW for another few years?
Please stop being the AFL apologist. They have flowered this up and it will now take at least 20 years before they can get to a decent playing level due to too many teams. Sorry to disappoint.

 

[Jimmae]

Isn't there some sort of law for the womens version of the game, that to distribute talent amoung the teams, they can only stay at a club for 3 years?

Yes, but now that it's a full 18 team league, expect that to change very quickly.

I don't see Harf as a bad coach at all. Looked good when we had the cattle, not so good when we didn't.

Am sure there are and have been some strained relationships, but that's no different to any coach in the history of sport.

Kept picking really weird teams. Must have some level of influence on how we use our draft picks (i.e. the type of player we seek).

Last year's draft and trade period was just bizarre, and reflected a coach that believed he was only missing a couple of pieces despite losing elite talent. In the end he was almost right, but had to be almost forced to pick the team the right way.

The list management and recruitment teams might be tearing their hair out at this decision. But he's cheap, speaks well and has a good media profile, so what the hell, right?

 

[Bostonian]

Incorrect. For instance, they can keep Tasmania out but not AFL teams from entering AFLW for another few years?
Please stop being the AFL apologist. They have flowered this up and it will now take at least 20 years before they can get to a decent playing level due to too many teams. Sorry to disappoint.

Not even comparable to Tasmania.

I don't recall any whinging and whining from Tasmania that the AFL need to spend huge sums of money on them and demand they get what they want.

Don't pretend there wasn't pressure from certain groups to get the AFLW up and running in the shortest time possible.

The AFL gave them what they wanted and now they have their broken league.

As for an AFL apologist what a laugh.

You can go find my posts where I said it was a bad idea for the AFL to build and run this competition.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Not even comparable to Tasmania.

I don't recall any whinging and whining from Tasmania that the AFL need to spend huge sums of money on them and demand they get what they want.

Don't pretend there wasn't pressure from certain groups to get the AFLW up and running in the shortest time possible.

The AFL gave them what they wanted and now they have their broken league.

As for an AFL apologist what a laugh.

You can go find my posts where I said it was a bad idea for the AFL to build and run this competition.

There has been many, many years of pressure for the AFL to bring in an Tasmanian team, both internally and externally. They are the best in the business of shelving what they don’t want and manipulating the situation to suit what they do. Been around long enough to know this.

Pressure from AFL clubs has always been there, I didn’t deny this, just like Tassie, but they relented too early on and moved away from the plan to expand the AFLW comp. They needed to hold firm. Now they will have bigger issues to deal with for a longer period of time and don’t be surprised this is the reason the CEO is moving on so early. His not as dumb as he looks.

 

[Coona Blues]

yeah, you're right up to a point, it's looking like the EPL from overseas, same sides in the finals, same sides struggling at the bottom
can't see it changing anytime soon unfortunately

on your point regarding
"new clubs can take up to 4 players from each club and they could be their 4 best players, meaning they are stacked while the other clubs are decimated."
that's not necessarily true, it can't happen

each club is bound by the TPP & the CBA
the AFL, who are running the comp, would not allow the above 2 cases to be breached
there is a tier system also that constrains the ability for one club to load up on the best players

also the payment outside the TPP, called "marketing allowance",for club appearances & photo shoots, after game interviews and such
this is finite & is capped to around 100K for the top 3-4 players

the big money kickers are
Additional Service Agreements, Independent Agreements and Employment Agreements
these include sponsorship's, jobs, cars, housing, all sorts of things you can think of

clubs have all kinds of arrangements for different players which are paid for in varying amounts per player outside the TPP
so the best 3-4 players at each club, connecting the dots, tells me most clubs will not have a situation where 3 or 4 of their best AFLW players leave for more money.

when Tigers ditched their VFLW team, guess where the saving of 250-300K went
to our best 2 players Conti & Brennan and the others we want to keep

Carlton is running a tight ship dependent on sponsors, membership money, gate takings etc, the press release said as much
but my best guess is 70% mens, 30% womens split, probably all teams give or take

Prespakis is their marquee player, even though there is no such thing anymore, druggies would probably have 1 maybe 2 more of this type of offer for someone of Prespakis's talent

don't worry, they won't be some sort of force to be reckoned with, neither will Sydney, Power or Hawks
take the hit now & build on your decent squad for the future

Thanks for a bit of insight.

Unless we have some more high profile defections we will actually be fine. Maddy was at the front of the new breed of wwomen’s players with an excellent skill set from day one. Others are going past her. Mimi Hill is significantly in front. With McKay, Guerrin, Sherar, Egan, McEvoy and others all developing in the engine room.

Can’t help but be annoyed (understatement) with the situation. The AFLW has player “tiers”, it would make perfect sense should a team lose a top tier player that they get a compensation pick in the draft. Maddy has lapped up an off field role at the club and has been looked after very well in the forlorn hope whe would have appreciation and loyalty. Given the landscape it is difficult to be shocked at the outcome. * has a raft of advantages to attract players, along with the other expansion teams. Gee is a significant loss as well. We can only hope this is the extent of our losses.

Long term we are better set up than most. The competition needs Adelaide, Melbourne, Brisbane and Freo to come back to the field. Sorry, but I hope they are significantly affected with defections to balance the field a bit. I am actually expecting Brisbane and Freo to prosper from the new order more than others.

I am invested in our team and watch them religiously, this won’t change. It is very difficult to invest in the competition as a whole or to take it seriously.

While I get the equality thing, I am over calls for “equal pay”. While the skills are improving dramatically, and I would absolutely welcome growth and success for both competition and players, the money on offer from the expansion clubs is counterproductive to the development of the league. We need a pyramid built with equilateral triangles not three rectangles stacked with battlers being next door to amateurs, a limited group getting a very basic working wage and a small group getting disproportionately large salaries at the expense of team mates. IT IS A TEAM GAME!

I am an old fart, it is not that long ago the stars of our men’s game were still working a day job while devoting their entire leisure hours to the pursuit of the game they loved. Today’s male players get plenty of down time and are still lauded for their dedication and sacrifice.

The AFLW draft is compromised to enable players to nominate their state. A decent trade off to allow those not getting a working wage to build a career outside of footy if desired. It doesn’t lend itself to equality among the teams. The AFLW list builds and pay structures are far from equitable.

In fairness they had to start somewhere so we need to give the admin some sort of break. They have watched the Gold Coast, West Coast, Cats and others being non competitive from inception and clearly are giving a bigger leg up to the last round of newbies. It is understandable. It is also commonsense to give decent compensation to a club losing a gazetted Marquee player. Fair enough for the players on “standard” contracts to be fair game. Top liners and top 10 draft picks in their first two years need to be compensated for.

 

[katmanblue]

yeah, you're right up to a point, it's looking like the EPL from overseas, same sides in the finals, same sides struggling at the bottom
can't see it changing anytime soon unfortunately

on your point regarding
"new clubs can take up to 4 players from each club and they could be their 4 best players, meaning they are stacked while the other clubs are decimated."
that's not necessarily true, it can't happen

each club is bound by the TPP & the CBA
the AFL, who are running the comp, would not allow the above 2 cases to be breached
there is a tier system also that constrains the ability for one club to load up on the best players

also the payment outside the TPP, called "marketing allowance",for club appearances & photo shoots, after game interviews and such
this is finite & is capped to around 100K for the top 3-4 players

the big money kickers are
Additional Service Agreements, Independent Agreements and Employment Agreements
these include sponsorship's, jobs, cars, housing, all sorts of things you can think of

clubs have all kinds of arrangements for different players which are paid for in varying amounts per player outside the TPP
so the best 3-4 players at each club, connecting the dots, tells me most clubs will not have a situation where 3 or 4 of their best AFLW players leave for more money.

when Tigers ditched their VFLW team, guess where the saving of 250-300K went
to our best 2 players Conti & Brennan and the others we want to keep

Carlton is running a tight ship dependent on sponsors, membership money, gate takings etc, the press release said as much
but my best guess is 70% mens, 30% womens split, probably all teams give or take

Prespakis is their marquee player, even though there is no such thing anymore, druggies would probably have 1 maybe 2 more of this type of offer for someone of Prespakis's talent

don't worry, they won't be some sort of force to be reckoned with, neither will Sydney, Power or Hawks
take the hit now & build on your decent squad for the future

Tpp is bullshit at the moment because players are being given "employment" on top of player payments. Tier 1 players were on $32k this year with a limit of 2 players per team.

There is a huge gulf between the reported $300k for 2 years for Perspakis and the $65-70k (allowing for a modest increase in player payments next 2 years) that would be the maximum 2 years of player payments. 3rd party payments is the issue. It's the Wild West at the moment.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Ask about Adelaide again after Port join. It looks like they're going to lose Erin Phillips, for one.

There was a Freo supporter earlier in the thread who didn't seem too happy with the players that they lost when WC joined the comp.

I can't remember who Brisbane lost, but I'd think it was similar.

Melbourne is the only comparable club, and it's much easier to keep players when they're vying for flags (as we all know).

I love Erin Phillips. Loved her as a basketballer, love her as a footballer. She's just an unbelievable sportsperson, but...
She's 36yo. How much more footy has she got in her? While I'm sure Adelaide will be disappointed to lose her, they got the absolute best out of her.

 

[Bostonian]

I love Erin Phillips. Loved her as a basketballer, love her as a footballer. She's just an unbelievable sportsperson, but...
She's 36yo. How much more footy has she got in her? While I'm sure Adelaide will be disappointed to lose her, they got the absolute best out of her.

Against players who aren't very good at the game 3-4 years at a high level.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Oh, sorry, is this the passive aggressive teenagers board. My bad.

You completely missed the sarcasm in 2 separate posts.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Not getting compensated for a young dual club b&f, All Australian and Best AFLW player medal if true is seriously ****ed up and flawed, for not only us but all teams that loose any of their best caliber players for zero returns…

 

[OldBlueFan]

I love Erin Phillips. Loved her as a basketballer, love her as a footballer. She's just an unbelievable sportsperson, but...
She's 36yo. How much more footy has she got in her? While I'm sure Adelaide will be disappointed to lose her, they got the absolute best out of her.

She's the only one to have been mentioned so far. Do you seriously think that Port won't pinch others? Besides, I think she'll bring a lot more to the table than just what she can do on field.

The original comment was about teams losing players to expansion teams, as though there was something wrong at Carlton because we are losing players. Obviously a flawed premise there.

 

[jj1978]

I remember another "slow, short midfielder" at Carlton. His name was Diesel Williams.

Diesel had the passion to play for us, Maddy's heart is with the drug tainted gifted expansion cap space despicable institution known as *.

 

[jj1978]

yeah you're half right
counter offer is correct, but foundation clubs weren't given compensation picks, never have
only expansion clubs were given this, depending on their list builds pre draft

the only way foundation clubs were compensated was to exceed their quota of players lost (4 players for Vic clubs)
then any other player lost would have to be traded for with draft picks

Tigers got Brennan as free agent, but had to trade pick No 1 for Conti (Dogs lost 4 players by that time)

i'm not advocating losing another 3 players to get a fair compensation result for Prespakis, but that seems to be the landscape
given she has left so early doesn't seem the druggies want to pay fair compensation at all

the decent & right thing that Prespakis should at least do is, as a requirement of her leaving, the druggies hand over their top pick
that way Carlton is fairly compensated for time & money spent on her development

will this eventuate ?
i hope so, but doubt it
maybe the rules will change this last expansion, but it's the AFL and i wouldn't put my money on it

what the Blues should do is attack Melbourne's list and try to get a Hanks, Zander and Bannan to come over
pay decent $'s for 2 of these players and replace Prespakis & Gee,

just my thoughts

Your faith in * is misguided. Dodoro probably already notified the list manager of the W team to bend Carlton backwards as much as possible and make trading hard.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

She's the only one to have been mentioned so far. Do you seriously think that Port won't pinch others? Besides, I think she'll bring a lot more to the table than just what she can do on field.

The original comment was about teams losing players to expansion teams, as though there was something wrong at Carlton because we are losing players. Obviously a flawed premise there.

I rarely seriously think about anything.