Mandatory Vaccinations And Medical Exemptions

[MisterMarcus]

Lol oh that is such a funny post. Pot, Kettle, Black.
You are right about something though. Scientific integrity is at its lowest point possibly in human history IMHO and the public developing a real skepticism and mistrust is frankly most likely a very good survival instinct. There's even entire fields dedicated to scientists studying each other to determine how compromised or biased they are themselves. Much like all the scientists and studies that tried so long to tell the world there was no links between smoking and negative health outcomes, the field has become disgustingly compromised. Honestly scientific fields, particular medicine based, are in total disarray as far as integrity goes.

Surely the best way to combat this is to condemn people like Geert Vanden Bossche for passing misinformation, and for pretending to be a 'pro vaccine expert' when he associates with freaking RFK Jnr.

instead, you fall over yourself to cite him as an authoritative source and demand we listen to him.

Bizarre behaviour from someone who's claiming to be concerned about scientific integrity.

 

[Goosecat]

Without continuing to get stuck with a vocal minority my position is there are intelligent sources of information from all areas of the world, yes including the CDC, FDA, AMA, WHO, RACGP and numerous scientists and intellects of all fields both for and against positions.

My view is mandatory vaccination is a problem, for many reasons, the current vaccines do have unforeseen issues, as evidenced by the very bodies behind and supporting them having to downgrade the predicted effectiveness levels and acknowledge reactions.

I believe we need and will eventually find better treatment options, including hopefully, more efficacious and safer vaccines that will enable us to fight the virus and become better equipped to survive.

It's not a radical position.

 

[HairyO]

The concept has been around forever. Manipulating people isn't a new thing.

Big Data has made it far more effective, and far easier. The tools are available, and all big business, media and government does it.

Trump is just a perfect example of how you can now use people's data to manipulate people to get what you want, if you have the resources at your disposal. His team's use of these techniques were extreme during his campaign. Incredibly effective too. Managed to get a bloke that didn't have a hope in hell of ever being a president (with good reason) into power by manipulating people's fears, and appealing to their inner feelings. The issue of course is that they aren't inner feelings - they're digitally recorded and for sale to anyone with the cash.

The NRA have some classic manipulation methods to push their agenda through social media also.

As I said, it's not a new thing to try to manipulate people and bullshit to them to get what you want. The difference now however is that they know exactly what you like, what you don't like, what you're scared if, what you value. Big Data analytics means the guesswork is gone, and with social media the message can be targeted to the individual.

It's brilliant really. Grossly unethical some would say though. Really Dangerous too.

For sure. But Id say companies like Google and Facebook have no gone far ahead of where politicians have in terms of manipulation.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

For sure. But Id say companies like Google and Facebook have no gone far ahead of where politicians have in terms of manipulation.

Where do you think Trump got the data?

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Without continuing to get stuck with a vocal minority my position is there are intelligent sources of information from all areas of the world, yes including the CDC, FDA, AMA, WHO, RACGP and numerous scientists and intellects of all fields both for and against positions.

My view is mandatory vaccination is a problem, for many reasons, the current vaccines do have unforeseen issues, as evidenced by the very bodies behind and supporting them having to downgrade the predicted effectiveness levels and acknowledge reactions.

I believe we need and will eventually find better treatment options, including hopefully, more efficacious and safer vaccines that will enable us to fight the virus and become better equipped to survive.

It's not a radical position.

And that just makes you a victim of the social media algorithms.

You start with a position that may be completely reasonable, and you then get bombarded with validating information. The more you read, like, or click on (even if you don't read it), the more you get bombarded. The further down the rabbit hole of idiocy you go.

And all the while, you remain completely unaware and oblivious that people on the opposite side of the 'debate' are being bombarded with opposing information.


Your posting is an absolutely textbook example if this.

 

[HairyO]

Where do you think Trump got the data?

The Russians wasnt it?

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

The Russians wasnt it?

No, he bought it from Facebook and Google. And also paid Cambridge Analytica for their analytics.

In addition, FWIW, the campaign did their own door to door data collection.

All done without the knowledge of those getting their data collected.


The Russian interference part was less about manipulation, and more about spreading misinformation.

 

[Goosecat]

And that just makes you a victim of the social media algorithms.

You start with a position that may be completely reasonable, and you then get bombarded with validating information. The more you read, like, or click on (even if you don't read it), the more you get bombarded. The further down the rabbit hole of idiocy you go.

And all the while, you remain completely unaware and oblivious that people on the opposite side of the 'debate' are being bombarded with opposing information.


Your posting is an absolutely textbook example if this.

That's all true. Not many really intelligent people in the world spend a lot of time re-posting on forums like this for sure. Simple post numbers can in that regard be somewhat of an indication. Once again; pot kettle black.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

That's all true. Not many really intelligent people in the world spend a lot of time re-posting on forums like this for sure. Simple post numbers can in that regard be somewhat of an indication. Once again; pot kettle black.

Intelligent people can still get sucked in and manipulated.

So don't get too down on yourself..

 

[jle101]

I wonder if that guy who accused me of being a bully yesterday is currently witnessing this gang up.

Heroes laying the boots in everywhere.

 

[Collingwood 4 eternity]

Covid vaccine passports scrapped for winter by Boris Johnson

Covid vaccine passports scrapped for winter by Boris Johnson

Boris Johnson will announce this week that he is scrapping plans that would have required vaccine passports for entry to nightclubs, cinemas and sports grounds.

www.thetimes.co.uk

Boris Johnson will announce this week that he is scrapping plans that would have required vaccine passports for entry to nightclubs, cinemas and sports grounds.

 

[Goosecat]

We are a group of concerned Queensland Police Service (QPS) employees and their families who disagree with the recent COVID-19 vaccine mandate of our employer: the QPS.

We are not pro- or anti- the vaccine. This is not a pro- or anti- vaccine matter. It is a question of whether our employers, on behalf of the government, can authorise civil conscription and interfere with the relationship between a patient and their doctor by mandating a vaccine. Our country has a representative democratic government structured to afford its citizens legal protection against the exercise of arbitrary political power.

The Australian Immunisation Handbook states vaccines ‘must be given voluntarily in the absence of undue pressure, coercion or manipulation’.

We consider it to be the case that a mandatory vaccination policy at the initiative of an employer is incompatible with our workplace rights as employees and that it infringes upon our rights to give free and informed consent to a medical procedure.

The point is aptly framed by Webb J in British Medical Association v Commonwealth:

“If Parliament cannot lawfully do this directly by legal means it cannot lawfully do it indirectly by creating a situation, as distinct from merely taking advantage of one, in which the individual is left with no real choice but compliance.”

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And so the internal division, loss of trust and legal challenges grow.

 

[Kappa]

My family.. We filter out the fluoride in our water, eat mostly organic meat and vegetables and try to live reasonably healthy.
We delayed vaccination of our first child as long as we were able to let his immune system develop without interference.

I'm not anti vax but i'm certainly cautious and won't be in rush to get vaccinated, will see how it all plays out and continue to wear masks indoors and socially distance in the meantime and i'm aware i won't be able to access restaurants, pubs, sporting events.. but mine and my families long term health is more important.

I'm interested to see how the final stages of Novavax trials go before approval, seems to be less adverse reactions to it so far and exceptional efficacy.

Let his immune system develop… you know immune systems develop by getting exposed to new bacteria and viruses which teaches them how to fight similar attacks in the future?

Also please provide the evidence of health risks associated with fluoride.

 

[Collingwood 4 eternity]

MCG with the message that if you are a Murder , Paedophile , Criminal , Woman Basher , you are most welcome to enter and enjoy all of the facilities and events at the MCG

However if you don’t get the vaccine you are no longer welcome to enter the MCG , So Stay The F Away !!!

It’s for your health and safety.

 

[Kappa]

MCG with the message that if you are a Murder , Paedophile , Criminal , Woman Basher , you are most welcome to enter and enjoy all of the facilities and events at the MCG

However if you don’t get the vaccine you are no longer welcome to enter the MCG , So Stay The F Away !!!

It’s for your health and safety.

I think the difference is an unvaccinated person with delta virus is much much more likely to cause death and quarantines than someone who has previously been in jail for a crime.

 

[Collingwood 4 eternity]

I think the difference is an unvaccinated person with delta virus is much much more likely to cause death and quarantines than someone who has previously been in jail for a crime.

At a fully vaccinated MCG 2021 Boxing Day test , the only people that will have the virus in the entire stadium will be some of the fully vaccinated that are in attendance

Some will enter the stadium with no virus , and will , through a fellow fully vaccinated attendee who has it but does not yet know , get it and then spread it to everyone they are in contact.

 

[The 747]

At a fully vaccinated MCG 2021 Boxing Day test , the only people that will have the virus in the entire stadium will be some of the fully vaccinated that are in attendance

Some will enter the stadium with no virus , and will , through a fellow fully vaccinated attendee who has it but does not yet know , get it and then spread it to everyone they are in contact.

And?

 

[HTT]

At a fully vaccinated MCG 2021 Boxing Day test , the only people that will have the virus in the entire stadium will be some of the fully vaccinated that are in attendance

Some will enter the stadium with no virus , and will , through a fellow fully vaccinated attendee who has it but does not yet know , get it and then spread it to everyone they are in contact.

Good thing they will be vaccinated then and are therefore around 95% less likely than an unvaccinated individual to end up in hospital.

 

[Kappa]

At a fully vaccinated MCG 2021 Boxing Day test , the only people that will have the virus in the entire stadium will be some of the fully vaccinated that are in attendance

Some will enter the stadium with no virus , and will , through a fellow fully vaccinated attendee who has it but does not yet know , get it and then spread it to everyone they are in contact.

Meh, we can never get to 0% risk, but vaccinated people are FAR FAR less risk.

 

[jle101]

The amount of people in here who still think it's about 'stopping the spread' is ****ing staggering.

 

[HTT]

The amount of people in here who still think it's about 'stopping the spread' is ******* staggering.

It’s never been ‘stop the spread’ - it was ‘stop the spread so our hospitals don’t get overwhelmed’

Now it’s ‘get vaccinated so our hospitals don’t get overwhelmed’

 

[Big Cox 88]

It’s never been ‘stop the spread’ - it was ‘stop the spread so our hospitals don’t get overwhelmed’

Now it’s ‘get vaccinated so our hospitals don’t get overwhelmed’

Scotland's department of health released figures from the UK during August.

Excerpts:

Further evidence proving the Covid-19 vaccination programme is failing has been released which confirms throughout the whole of August 80% of the people who died of Covid-19 had been vaccinated against the disease.

Take a look at the latest Covid-19 Statistical Report released by Public Health Scotland (PHS) on the 8th September 2021.

According to table 16 of the report between the 28th August 2021 and the 3rd September 2021 there were 36 admissions to hospital related to Covid-19 among the unvaccinated over 60 population, whilst there were 7 admissions on the partly vaccinated population.

However, there were a huge 299 admissions among the fully vaccinated over 60 population, and the same pattern can be seen for the weeks previous all the way back to the 7th August 2021.

In all for the week of 28th August to 3rd September 2021 there were 271 hospitalisations among the entire unvaccinated population but 423 hospitalisations among the fully vaccinated population. If we base these hospitalisations occurring after the previous weeks confirmed cases then we can calculate the case-hospitalisation rate.

In the week beginning 21st August there were 15,047 confirmed cases among the unvaccinated population. Therefore based on the unvaccinated hospitalisation figures of 271 in the week beginning 28th August the case-hospitalisation rate is 1.7%. However, when we carry out the same calculation for the fully vaccinated population hospitalisations (423) and cases (14,519) we can see that the case-hospitalisation rate is 2.9%.

Therefore, this shows that the Covid-19 injections are increasing the risk of hospitalisation when exposed to Covid-19 by 70% rather than reducing the risk by the 95% claimed by the vaccine manufacturers and authorities.

So now that we’ve cleared up the Covid-19 injections increase the risk of hospitalisation rather than reducing it let’s find out if they prevent deaths like the authorities claim.

Table 17 of the Public Health Scotland report shows the number of deaths to have occurred via vaccination status.

The number of deaths by vaccination status between the 5th August 2021 and the 26th August 2021 are as follows –

• Unvaccinated population – 25 deaths
• Partly vaccinated population – 6 deaths
• Fully vaccinated population – 92 deaths

This means the unvaccinated population have accounted for just 20% of alleged Covid-19 deaths throughout the whole of August, whilst the fully vaccinated accounted for 75% of them. But couple the partly vaccinated deaths with the fully vaccinated deaths and you can see that throughout August 80% of deaths occurred among the vaccinated population.

 

[kingswood71]

Scotland's department of health released figures from the UK during August. The actual article is presented in a bias manner, however the stats and numbers are validated in the linked report.

Excerpts:

Further evidence proving the Covid-19 vaccination programme is failing has been released which confirms throughout the whole of August 80% of the people who died of Covid-19 had been vaccinated against the disease.

Take a look at the latest Covid-19 Statistical Report released by Public Health Scotland (PHS) on the 8th September 2021.

According to table 16 of the report between the 28th August 2021 and the 3rd September 2021 there were 36 admissions to hospital related to Covid-19 among the unvaccinated over 60 population, whilst there were 7 admissions on the partly vaccinated population.

However, there were a huge 299 admissions among the fully vaccinated over 60 population, and the same pattern can be seen for the weeks previous all the way back to the 7th August 2021.

In all for the week of 28th August to 3rd September 2021 there were 271 hospitalisations among the entire unvaccinated population but 423 hospitalisations among the fully vaccinated population. If we base these hospitalisations occurring after the previous weeks confirmed cases then we can calculate the case-hospitalisation rate.

In the week beginning 21st August there were 15,047 confirmed cases among the unvaccinated population. Therefore based on the unvaccinated hospitalisation figures of 271 in the week beginning 28th August the case-hospitalisation rate is 1.7%. However, when we carry out the same calculation for the fully vaccinated population hospitalisations (423) and cases (14,519) we can see that the case-hospitalisation rate is 2.9%.

Therefore, this shows that the Covid-19 injections are increasing the risk of hospitalisation when exposed to Covid-19 by 70% rather than reducing the risk by the 95% claimed by the vaccine manufacturers and authorities.

So now that we’ve cleared up the Covid-19 injections increase the risk of hospitalisation rather than reducing it let’s find out if they prevent deaths like the authorities claim.

Table 17 of the Public Health Scotland report shows the number of deaths to have occurred via vaccination status.

The number of deaths by vaccination status between the 5th August 2021 and the 26th August 2021 are as follows –

• Unvaccinated population – 25 deaths
• Partly vaccinated population – 6 deaths
• Fully vaccinated population – 92 deaths

This means the unvaccinated population have accounted for just 20% of alleged Covid-19 deaths throughout the whole of August, whilst the fully vaccinated accounted for 75% of them. But couple the partly vaccinated deaths with the fully vaccinated deaths and you can see that throughout August 80% of deaths occurred among the vaccinated population.

Should carry the disclaimer "This work is not my own"

80% of Covid deaths in Scotland during August were people who had been vaccinated - The Rio Times

A viral image that alleges that vaccines have caused a 175% increase in COVID-19 deaths ignores the outsize impact of the virus.

riotimesonline.com

Either way, its a flawed analysis of the data.
Main issue is that people over 60 are more likely to be admitted to hospital for ANY reason, and thus tested on admission. Also take into account the very high vaccination rate.
Indeed the report does say "The number of reported acute hospitalisations does not take into account the reason for hospitalisation, Therefore, people that were admitted for a non-COVID-19 related reason (and tested positive upon admission) may be included and result in an overestimation of COVID-19 related acute hospitalisations".
The article you gleaned your data from says "This means that between August 28 and September 3, there were 22,318 cases among the vaccinated population, almost 2,000 more than the unvaccinated population".
However look at the actual cases per 100,000...
I have read the whole report...vaccines work and they work well.

 

[Big Cox 88]

Vaccines work and they work well.

They don't stop catching and spreading and it seems government will be pushing for boosters every 6 months. Sounds like they are working well.

 

[kingswood71]

They don't stop catching and spreading and it seems government will be pushing for boosters every 6 months. Sounds like they are working well.

Of the vaccinated people only "298 individuals (0.009%) tested positive by PCR for SARS-CoV-2 more than fourteen days after receiving their second dose of COVID-19 vaccine and subsequently died with COVID-19 recorded as an underlying or contributory cause of death". Of the 298, 80% were over 70. 97% had more than on risk factor.
Sounds like they are working well to me.