VineyIsLORD
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You are having arguments with yourself.
Like, I literally never stated the things you seem to be deciding I did.
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You are having arguments with yourself.
Like, I literally never stated the things you seem to be deciding I did.
VineyIsLORD
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AFL is both the name of the premier league and the name of the sport.
In your question to me you were using AFL as the name of the league, when I responded using it in the same context, you should have realised that.
This means either you are perhaps suffering some kind of learning disability, or you are deliberately trolling and just pretending to be a bit touched.
No and no and no, but other than that, well done.
The base skills of soccer are actually really easy. You could take a bunch of adults of normal physical attributes who hadn't played before, give them a 30 min crash course in it, and they could play a game of soccer at a standard recognisable as soccer.
The skill comes from training and repetition. The product of that skill depends on the sport. Soccer looks more skillful and nuanced, but that is because the simplicity of the core skills easily allows elaboration.
A Messi growing up in Australia, devoting as much time and effort at Aussie rules would be just as skillful at Aussie rules as he is at Soccer. I suspect an Ablett junior growing up obsessed with soccer would have been pretty good. He would have had more tricks in soccer than footy, but not more skill.
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VineyIsLORD
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I think your conclusion has little to do with the content of your post. I agree with the content in regards to repetition only.
Why would a talented AFL player want to transition to NBL??
Hugh Goddard, a 23 yr old who was Australian u19 basketball captain, played college basketball in America, was on the Perth Wildcats NBL list dropped it all just to go on an AFL rookie list.
He was an elite basketballer, he should be an elite AFL player pretty easily then ay.
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Thats just it. A guy like that wasnt an elite basketballer, a really good one but not good enough to play in the better basketball leagues, but he still made it onto an AFL list pretty easily.
Viney has no argument.
He says basketball is a more skillful game, if you ask him to elaborate he cant.
Then he dribbles on about endurance, fights in suburban sport or soccer??
I do not think he realises the implications of his own argument.
If you take a Priddis, who most would not consider overly skilled. To gather a bouncing ball in a pack with 1 touch, while being bumped and scragged, then hand balling over your shoulder to a free player while being dragged to the ground is actually a fantastic display of skills. It does not look as skilful as a pull up jumper for three, but is actually much harder to do. I can see the threes being shot at any local basketball court.
My son's basketball team made the finals of the local u18s despite them all being 15 and 16. They made it because they could shoot, pass, do layups, hook shots, dribble in traffic.
That they all considered themselves to be footballers playing basketball for a laugh, training 1 day a week, undermines his argument a bit.
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??? The point is he WAS an elite basketballer.
He was in the AIS program, was u19 Australian captain, was MVP for his US college, trialled with the Utah Jazz, was unveiled as the wildcats big new signing and was on the fringe of going to the Olympics for the senior boomers team.
He threw all that away to get a rookie list spot on an AFL list.
If as you say basketball is a much more skillful game, a bloke who was an elite basketballer should have no problem dominating AFL football...so he should be making multiple All-Australian teams, winning Adelaide BnFs pretty soon.
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Mate i dont know how many ideas are floating around in that head of yours but maybe go back and read my initial post about AFL and basketball.
Yeah, basketball is a more skillful sport...you cant elaborate why though.
What are the amazing skills that basketballer's possess?
My 4 year old can catch, throw and bounce a basketball, can even shoot it in the smaller hoop we have.
No chance of kicking a drop punt though!!
VineyIsLORD
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Not my fault your kid is unco mate
Na just that basketball skills are easy, a round ball and just using your hands...dont need any co-ordination.
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So not only are you not able to teach him to kick a footy, youre teaching him how to play basketball very poorly.
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My last go at explaining, on the possibility I have been unclear.
Skill is being described here in subjective terms, as in, it looks more skillful, or, I think it is more skillful, therefore it is more skillful.
Fortunately there is an objective measure of skill, and that measure is time. As in, the amount of time it takes to acquire the skill to the required degree.
Given that any sport played at the highest level requires lots of time, but is also dependant on how competitive the sport is, then the only true measure is the amount of practice required to acquire the core skills to a competent standard.
Unfortunately I have not been standing around with a stop watch while people train, but I do have 2 boys who play footy, soccer and basketball.
Based on how hard it was to acquire the base skills to run onto a field and be reasonably competent, and competitive, I would say footy is the most skillful, soccer the least.
This has nothing to do with the skill level at the highest standard. NBA would be much higher than AFL due to the size of the sports and the competitive pressure to even get in.
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Skill is being described here in subjective terms, as in, it looks more skillful, or, I think it is more skillful, therefore it is more skillful.
Fortunately there is an objective measure of skill, and that measure is time. As in, the amount of time it takes to acquire the skill to the required degree.
Given that any sport played at the highest level requires lots of time, but is also dependant on how competitive the sport is, then the only true measure is the amount of practice required to acquire the core skills to a competent standard.
Unfortunately I have not been standing around with a stop watch while people train, but I do have 2 boys who play footy, soccer and basketball.
Based on how hard it was to acquire the base skills to run onto a field and be reasonably competent, and competitive, I would say footy is the most skillful, soccer the least.
This has nothing to do with the skill level at the highest standard. NBA would be much higher than AFL due to the size of the sports and the competitive pressure to even get in.
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Her.
She can bounce a basketball, catch it and shoot it in a ring.
She plays soccer with her grandpa, easily kicks a rolling ball on the ground.
They are simple basic skills.
She can use a tennis racquet and hit a ball thrown to her, also tries baseball but that is much harder.
Try and get her to handball or do a drop punt, it is too hard for her as the skills are more complex involving multiple body parts and timing.
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fremantle.
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Do people understand how hard it is to throw and catch a big round rubber ball 4 or 5 metres?
C'mon people! And when you bounce that big round rubber ball, it bounces straight back up at you - it's crazy!
C'mon people! And when you bounce that big round rubber ball, it bounces straight back up at you - it's crazy!
What about the great Jazzy Hayne. Already Superbowl MVP, quit NFL cause he was too good and will now win the Tour de France and beat Usain Bolt in the 100m in the Olympics.
Red faces all round.
Red faces all round.
even easier to kick a 50 metre goal, running at full pace, when about to get crunched, no skill in that
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want to say that again in english?
Maybe we should return to the actual topic and acknowledge that it would only be Moores injury keeping cox in the side after his 6 possession 2 mark effort and stop the argument on how BBall is a more skilful game (and if by skilfull you mean has a greater importance on being a giant and how little opportunity there is for people of normal height)
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Was probably his second poorest performance (of the 6 he has played thus far anyway), but he seemed to push much further up the ground yesterday. He even found himself at CHB at one stage and didn't look completely lost. For a guy of his size his ground level game is pretty impressive.
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